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Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-19-2016 Loretta Lynch Slaps FBI: No-Fly List Can Be Used to Ban Gun Buyers Quote:Attorney General Loretta Lynch has overruled FBI Director James Comey on a key issue involving guns and terrorist watch lists — a move that two unlikely allies, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the National Rifle Association, oppose. I read this article and had to sit down for a few moments As I reread it I was shaking my head as the words FOOLS came to my mind This is the situation as I see it.. It sets a very dangerous precedent in the argument of liberty versus security The republic's principles are being siezed upon in the name of security 1) a right be restricted on the basis of what equates to a Bill of Attainder Quote:A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of attainder or bill of pains and penalties) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them, often without a trial. As with attainder resulting from the normal judicial process, the effect of such a bill is to nullify the targeted person'scivil rights, most notably the right to own property (and thus pass it on to heirs), the right to a title of nobility, and, in at least the original usage, the right to life itself. Bills of attainder were passed in England between about 1300 and 1800 and resulted in the executions of a number of notable historical figures. Quote:United States[edit] The question then becomes much more deadly when an equal standard is applied to the rest of the constitution I could always go the classic route and argue that does this mean those on a government list, with no way to get a hearing to argue their way off of it, can also be banned from speaking freely..Or perhaps forced to a specific church No I have a much deadlier question Can the people on the no fly list be held as slaves? It does set the precedent that this writ of attainder by passes constitutional rights.. If someone kidnapped someone on the no fly list, can they legally be sold to another human being.. Note it bypasses local rules and federal court decisions.. As long as you pay taxes on the purchase it appears that this is legal.. 13th Amendment Quote:Text RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - senona - 06-19-2016 Nothing like the FBI being slapped back by Loretta Lynch Comments have already been made how the FBI hands are tied due to Obama admin., hence why dropped the ball on the Orlando shooter some claim. Those 2 need to be on the same side, not opposing sides.....sigh RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Ninurta - 06-19-2016 Yes, those on the "No Fly" list can be legally enslaved. Slavery has never actually been abolished in the US, only the criteria for enslaving someone has been changed. Note well the words "except as punishment...", which give the privilege of enslaving anyone - all couched in pretty language that only appears to abolish slavery. There is no abolition of slavery when the word "except" comes into play - only a change in the criteria required for enslavement. Abolition would have been along the lines of "People can't own other people. Period" rather than "People can't own other people, unless..." Other cultures use much the same evasion, such as "people can't own people, unless those people owned are captured in warfare". Different criteria, same principle. This so-called "no fly list" does amount to a Bill of Attainder, or more precisely, legal actions taken which are predicated on it are Bills of Attainder. Once these individuals and groups have been singled out for different treatment from any other citizen, solely based upon who they are or what group they belong to rather than actions they have taken, the stage is set for massive abuse. What is to keep them from adding any other person or group to the list on a mere whim, once the list is established? What is there that will prevent them from adding Republicans, or Libertarians, or Jews, or Methodists from the list if someone high enough in the food chain takes a sudden dislike to one of those groups? As it stands right now, one cannot even KNOW if they are on the list unless they take some legislatively prohibited action (prohibited ONLY for those on the list, based solely on their presence on the list, for example flying or buying a gun). Even once one finds out they are on the list through some prohibition they encounter, there is NO way to get off of it. Nixon kept an Enemies List. Hitler kept an Enemies List. Mao kept an Enemies list... and now the US government does the same. This is no longer the free land I was born in, nor the free land I fought for. It looks a lot more like the old Soviet Union - they very folks we were fighting against back in the day. The Republic has already fallen, without a shot even being fired. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - BIAD - 06-19-2016 (06-19-2016, 03:44 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...Nixon kept an Enemies List. Hitler kept an Enemies List. Mao kept an Enemies list... and now the US government My Gosh! Not a truer word spoken. I cannot comment on the gun-control situation as I'm not of the USA, but there's another principle that Ninurta points at in the above paragraph that I totally agree with. The overall foundations that the USA is built on is constantly being undermined by the tactic of conditioning people to only look at different facets of 'security-orientated' debates. Piece-by-piece, your liberties have not only been eroded, in some cases, they have gone. Yet the media -who only need snippets and news-bites for their rating-coveting businesses, deliver the information in such a way that the entire landscape of your freedoms is never truly shown. Hence it's gun-control, politically-correct leniency for certain belief structures, fear-mongering for certain belief structures, alleged Police strong-arm tactics, racial and gender arguments and many, many more. All bars on the fencing for herding the sheep to the pen. Said with respect. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - 727Sky - 06-20-2016 I used to believe totally in the death penalty for certain crimes. I used to believe in swift justice for those who break the laws of a civilized society. That was before all the reports of police falsifying crime reports and judges getting kick backs from prisons for profit. Many things seem to be broken or have severe cracks in the frame work that we call America; justice is right up there at the top IMO. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Ninurta - 06-20-2016 @"BIAD" It gets worse, from my perspective - now I'm too old and give out, worn out over the foolishness that people have allowed, that I can't even bring myself to grieve the loss of freedom we've undergone in the past 25 years or so. It's a bit breathtaking, the speed with which the takeover has occurred. In 1965, the rate at which police solved murders was 90% here in the US. Now it's hovering around 60%, mostly because it appears the police have better things to do, safer things, like hassling the citizenry - and in the process, enriching themselves via forfeiture laws. The Constitution says that government or it's agents may not deprive a person of their property without due process, but that is universally ignored now, and people are routinely deprived of their property on mere allegations, or some times less. I've seen that happen with my own eyes twice now. Police descending on the innocent like a swarm of locusts, picking and choosing what they want and seizing it under "forfeiture". I heard with my own ears the cops divvying up an innocent man's property before they even took it out of his house and filled out the forfeiture paperwork, and discussing whether or not they should just take MINE, too - which never happened, as the idea met with some resistance. Some of the stuff they took from the guy had absolutely no connection with any potential crime - a laser printer the police department wanted, a DVD collection that God knows who wanted, none of the items described in particular detail on a warrant as the Constitution demands. None of the seized stuff is EVER returned, regardless of how the court case comes out or how innocent the victim is. It's been "forfeited". In the 60's and 70's, it was a standard plot device to have people stopped at road blocks with the canned request of "your papers, please" from the nice guy in the black uniform - that was how the viewer knew that man was evil, because of course only in repressive regimes like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union could things like that ever happen... now it is a fact of life and a matter of course here in the good ol' USA. Instead of actually getting out and, you know, working, policing, catching the bad guys, they set up random road blocks in the hope of catching someone in a drag net operation, a fishing expedition. Robo-cops mounted to poles at intersections now issue tickets so that police don't have to disturb themselves and actually chase a miscreant down (the road blocks might suffer if one of those dozens of cops actually had to leave to catch a violator)... and as for the right guaranteed by the Constitution to face one's accuser in court, good luck getting that camera to appear, even with a subpoena. I've spent the past couple of days searching for black powder revolvers on the internet because guns are once again under fire for no good reason, and black powder weapons are, at the moment, less highly regulated - not to mention the fact that one "rolls his own" bullets for them, and I strongly suspect that ammo is slated to come under fire again real soon. My son and I were discussing a conversation he had earlier this week with a co-workers who wanted to know why people needed "weapons of war" - the latest catch phrase since "assault weapon" has failed so dismally due to abuse and mis-definition - and I asked him if those people didn't even have a hammer in their house. Once upon a time, wars were fought with clubs, therefore a hammer is a "weapon of war". After all, a hammer is nothing but a short club with a weighted, concentrated, and hardened end, perfect for crushing holes in skulls. Bows, arrows, swords, knives - even your wife's favorite kitchen knife - ALL are "weapons of war". The anti-gun hysteria is so thick over here you could cut it with a... well, let's not say a "weapon of war". The president makes decrees with a stroke of the pen now that carry the force of law, bypassing Congress entirely in the process. Who even needs a Congress when the president has usurped their position and now makes law? Even petty bureaucrats now regularly make "regulations" that carry the force of law, all without any congressional or judicial oversight. Petty tyrants in their own little petty kingdoms. I fought for the people of this country. My dad fought for the people of this country (but he was a real soldier, in a real army, unlike myself), at least 3 of my great and great great granddads fought for the people of their countries during the Civil War (one north, two south) and at least 5 of my great-great-so many greats-back granddads fought for the people of this country in the Revolution. All of that fighting was a wasted effort. We ALL lost. The people we fought for now routinely undergo forfeiture, home invasions by black-clad thugs, road blocks manned by yet more black-clad thugs who even demand to see "your papers, please", "laws" made by the stroke of petty dictatorial pens, rights routinely violated by a system stacked against the people that it is allegedly in place to "serve", and which routinely ignores it's own rules as embodied in the US Constitution, only paying lip-service to it or trying to find a loophole in it when the regime needs one for advantage - the advantage NEVER goes to the People any more. This must be what it's like to live in ISIS-stan. Just do exactly what the nice black-clad thug tells you to do, and no one gets hurt. All of my ancestors are no doubt spinning like tops in their graves, and one day I will be, too. I guess it's exercise, so there's that. Post Script: I bet this post is enough to get ME put on their damned list, and I'm now too old and worn out to even give a rat's ass about THAT. Note to regime enforcers - just stay the hell away from me, and we'll all be fine. I'm too old and decrepit to present much of a danger, but keep in mind that I'm old and already nearer the grave than you are, anyhow, and I'VE got nothing left to lose. You've already taken everything of value, everything I fought for when I was able. Can you say YOU'VE got nothing left to loose too? If not, then just play it safe and stay the hell away. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-21-2016 (06-19-2016, 09:18 AM)senona Wrote: Nothing like the FBI being slapped back by Loretta Lynch We are moving to empire phase of the republic Loretta Lynch is a new LT for white house she has to bring so much in and follow orders The people are not realizing that Loretta Lynch has NO say what is law or to be able to interpret it just enforce it.. What LAW is she enforcing RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-21-2016 (06-19-2016, 03:44 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Yes, those on the "No Fly" list can be legally enslaved. Slavery has never actually been abolished in the US, only the criteria for enslaving someone has been changed. Note well the words "except as punishment...", which give the privilege of enslaving anyone - all couched in pretty language that only appears to abolish slavery. There is no abolition of slavery when the word "except" comes into play - only a change in the criteria required for enslavement. Abolition would have been along the lines of "People can't own other people. Period" rather than "People can't own other people, unless..." Other cultures use much the same evasion, such as "people can't own people, unless those people owned are captured in warfare". Different criteria, same principle. You must be a hoot at parties...lol (I know because It kills the mode and fun when I bring this up.. lol) Take the Jews.. it is illegal to own slaves But the Catch is, JEWISH slaves everyone else is allowed technically (may be hyperboyle but goes with the point) not to mention everyone forgot the last slaves in NA if I remember correctly were on native american reservations It is sounding grim but, their is a small light RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-21-2016 (06-19-2016, 09:41 PM)BIAD Wrote:(06-19-2016, 03:44 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...Nixon kept an Enemies List. Hitler kept an Enemies List. Mao kept an Enemies list... and now the US government me just about a decade ago Quote:" Seaman XXXX, what in SAM H#$$ do you think you are doing!" I learned my lessons on how those with power cheat and win The perceived need for security even in the military has to be built on liberty This led to a hour and half long debate Quote:"Ok.. Then how many men are you gonna have to post on street corners to enforce it.. You yourself chief said to be smart about how you do things.. Think long term not short term when you chewed out Ensign XXXXXXXX.." After a short pause with pissed off looks on SEVERAL chief's faces and a smiling LT. just sitting there, "Hearts and minds.. Long term you require the trust of thee citizens and the people above you and below you.. So far this god D@#$ command is full of F#$%ing backstabbing morons and cu# guzzlers.. Not to mention their are a few females here.. So let me put this real simple.. How many people here would you trust with a rifle in their hands covering your six?" This whole example in the article is nothing more then a low level Lt. follow masters orders RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-21-2016 (06-20-2016, 02:15 AM)727Sky Wrote: I used to believe totally in the death penalty for certain crimes. Same here Ditto on your statement Its truthfulness covers it all It is onne of those where you said it simpler and plainer and covered it better then I could RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 06-21-2016 (06-20-2016, 03:04 AM)Ninurta Wrote: @"BIAD" It aint over yet it is just getting there You see things can still be done to stop them Liberty can be taken back still by the ballot box it has not shifted completely yet.. Almost but not completely Echo chambers proxy organizations infiltration and abuses They have shown us great tools to use against them RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Ninurta - 06-23-2016 (06-21-2016, 08:22 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: You must be a hoot at parties...lol The very life of the party! Of course, sane folk don't frequent the sort of parties I do... Quote:Take the Jews.. it is illegal to own slaves Ditto Muslims. Muslim slaves are not allowed, all others are fair game. That's how ISIS got the Yezidi sex slaves they're currently trying to peddle - Mohammed himself allowed "those whom your right hand possesses" - i.e., war captives. The Yezidi girls and women were taken in war, making them fair game for sex slavery. They were being sold on the auction block in Mosul for $ 350 US right after they were taken, but recently ISIS has started trying to sell them on the internet for around $ 8000 US. Fact is, the Constitutional Amendment that everyone thinks "abolishes" slavery does nothing of the kind, even in modern America. It has an exception built-in ("except as punishment for...") that kept slavery legal in America. I personally believe it was written that way intentionally, considering who wrote it - Reconstruction Era Republicans. In those days, the Republicans were the "Progressives", although they didn't use that term. They called themselves "Radicals". Reconstruction was nothing of the sort - nothing was rebuilt, especially not by the northerners or the Republicans - the carpet Baggers and Scalawags who invaded the south along with the occupation forces to protect them. All indications are that they intended to "turn the tables", make the Freedmen the aristocracy, and enslave the whites. For a long time, Freedmen could vote while white southerners could not - they had been legally disenfranchised, and were not permitted by law to vote. In many locations, former slaves were organized as militia, given muskets by the occupation forces, and "patrolled", while white southerners were not permitted to bear arms, legally. It's a part of US history that one seldom hears about, and Reconstruction is taught in history classes with a bit of... let's call it "spin", to be kind to the Liberals. If you think I may be wrong, just research the demographics of the South Carolina legislature during Reconstruction. I bet you get a surprise. The backlash from Reconstruction was harsh and often violent, and was the direct cause of a need for the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Ninurta - 06-23-2016 (06-21-2016, 08:48 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: It aint over yet Depending on which way this election goes, it could seal the fate of America for the next 200 years. If Hillary wins, the light at the end of the tunnel will be extinguished - she will piss on it and put it out herself. We are a hair's breadth away from becoming precisely like the former Soviet Union, and Hillary will nudge it past that hair into the oblivion of Empire that was the end of Rome. If Trump wins, there is still a fighting chance, but it will be without a doubt an uphill battle, because we have already fallen so far... RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Ninurta - 06-24-2016 I've been pondering the above post, and have come to the conclusion that I was wrong. We are NOT in danger of becoming like the old Soviet Union - we have surpassed her. Not even in the darkest, most repressive days of the former Soviet Union did the Politburo, even in the safety of their lakeside dachas, ever envision forcing the entire populace to do business with private corporations. That takes a special kind of depravity, of the Fascist brand. This also means I may have to re-evaluate my conclusion that Obama is a communist... after all, Obamacare was his baby, and it's fascist to the very core. Either way, whether communist or fascist, the collectivists (covering both communists and fascists - they are all on the old "left") aim to kill or enslave us all. RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - BIAD - 06-24-2016 (06-23-2016, 12:39 AM)Ninurta Wrote: If Trump wins, there is still a fighting chance, but it will be without a doubt an uphill battle, because What gets me is the way the media on both sides of the pond make him out to be an idiot, as if he's a lone crazy-man who's just throwing good money away for nothing. I can understand it when people look and say "Oh man, this guy's gonna rid the country of any foreigners" but that's not what he's saying. I believe he's fitting himself into the position of a Patriot that's sick and tired of Lobbyist's self-interests and back-handers of cash on Capital Hill that only benefits the few. Those at the top.. what could be seen as the 'Breakaway Society' have lost the ability to listen to the people and all he's done is heard the crowd and catering to it. The money-making aspect really means nothing to him, he seems to be able to turn a buck whether he's in politics or not. He's over in Scotland at his Turnberry Golf Resort and after being asked about what he thought about the UK's exit of the European Union, all he said before he launched into talking about his hotel (free advertisingon TV!) -was 'I'm happy they've taken their country back' And 51% of the UK agreed with him! So just how dumb is he? RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - guohua - 06-24-2016 @"BIAD" OH, he's Not Dumb At All,,,, No it's the News Media That Are Stupid, just think, if Trump is Successful and Wins and Become the POTUS. Trump does not Strike Me As Someone Who Forgets. If I was Trump, I'd Ask Bernie To Run As My VP. Hillary You Feel The Bern NOW? Bitch! RE: Thus the Republic falls to applause: No Fly list and gun control - Armonica_Templar - 07-01-2016 I am putting this here because the overreach continues The “Second-Class” Second Amendment Right Quote:In the final day of its term, the Supreme Court decided a gun case, while managing to sidestep the Second Amendment. Please note I will post a link in propaganda but the full post here This is the continued plan All that comes to mind is Brexit and the reason why measured with the other acts makes me see a plan Their is one thing to note I mention somewhere a long while back that it looked like someone was blackmailing the supreme court This also qualifies as another link in the chain |