Quote:Pope Francis wants to change the Lord's Prayer.

The pontiff says a line in the current version implies that God pushes people toward sin.


'The Pope has revealed he wants to change the Lord's Prayer - as he thinks the current version
implies that God pushes people toward sin.

He said the line "lead us not into temptation", memorised by hundreds of millions of Christians
for centuries, is based on a flawed translation.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," the Pope said.
The implication is awkward for Christians, who believe it is Satan who tempts people to sin.
"I am the one who falls. It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen," the
Pope explained.

"A father doesn't do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It's Satan who leads us into
temptation, that's his department." The Pope's comments, made in an interview with Italian television,
could lead to a change in the prayer, which is taken from the Bible and is considered by some to
encapsulate the core messages of Christianity.

It also weighs in on a long-running liturgical debate over the nature of evil and the relationship between
religion and language, explained Church of England theologian Reverend Dr Ian Paul.

The current version has been used by the Catholic Church since 1966, when the Second Vatican
Council decided modern vernacular should be used in services instead of Latin.

Before being translated from the Latin vulgate it was translated from ancient Greek.
The original text was written in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus.
Part of the uncertainty behind the line comes from the original Greek of the central word: peirasmos,
which means temptation but can also be used in a more general sense to mean testing.

"The line has a broader sense - that we're asking God to protect us from really difficult testing,"
Rev Dr Paul said. Some theologians argue that alternatives to the current line might suggest God
is powerless to stop temptation by the devil.
"What the prayer does now is puts everything under the power and control of God," Rev Dr Paul said.

Pope Francis' remarks follow a decision on the subject by the French Catholic Church, which voted last
month to change to a translation approximating "do not let us enter into temptation".

The Church of Latter-Day Saints, also known as the Mormons, uses the adapted line "suffer us not to be
led into temptation". Any changes to the widespread use of the prayer in the Catholic Church would only
be decided after extensive consultation, however. Rev Dr Paul said the Church of England had no plans
to change the Lord's Prayer.

"In the end you can't actually control how people interpret stuff just by translating, we have to talk about it
and explain it too," he said...'

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Pope Francis took indirect aim at Mr Trump’s plans on Wednesday, adding his voice to warnings by Arab and Muslim leaders that recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital would have dangerous repercussions.

“I cannot hide my deep concern for the situation that has been created in the last few days, and at the same time, I offer a heartfelt appeal for the commitment of all to respect the status quo of the city in conformity with the pertinent UN resolutions,” Pope Francis said.
“Jerusalem is a unique city, which is sacred for Jews, Christians and Muslims, who venerate the holy sites of their respective religions, and has a special vocation for peace.”
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(12-08-2017, 11:01 PM)guohua Wrote: This is the same guy who doesn't think Israel show have it's Capital in Jerusalem. 

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Pope Francis took indirect aim at Mr Trump’s plans on Wednesday, adding his voice to warnings by Arab and Muslim leaders that recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital would have dangerous repercussions.

“I cannot hide my deep concern for the situation that has been created in the last few days, and at the same time, I offer a heartfelt appeal for the commitment of all to respect the status quo of the city in conformity with the pertinent UN resolutions,” Pope Francis said.
“Jerusalem is a unique city, which is sacred for Jews, Christians and Muslims, who venerate the holy sites of their respective religions, and has a special vocation for peace.”
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He's suppose to be a Christian!!??  
His Opinion Mean Nothing, He needs to be more concerned with the Peophiles he keeps in service of the Church.

Quote:Pope Francis took indirect aim at Mr Trump’s plans on Wednesday, adding his voice to warnings by Arab and Muslim leaders that recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital would have dangerous repercussions.

(12-09-2017, 03:05 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:

Quote:Pope Francis took indirect aim at Mr Trump’s plans on Wednesday, adding his voice to warnings by Arab and Muslim leaders that recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital would have dangerous repercussions.

Going a tad bit off topic from the OP, but making the capitol of Israel in Jerusalem is prophetic.  I don't remember exactly what they taught in church because it's been so long since I attended, but it was something along the lines that once this happens, there will be lots of turmoil for "God's chosen people", then not long after that is when Jesus will return. 

Bush, Clinton, and Obama all three said they would make Jerusalem the capitol of Israel when running for office, but none followed through.
Maybe Trump WAS sent to us by God.  

(12-09-2017, 03:31 AM)Grace Wrote: All the prophesies concerning Israel were fulfilled in the first century...