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RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-01-2019 It's the first day in November of 2019, the rain-sodden Halloween pumpkins have lost their manic grins and now sit on doorsteps with charred sneers of swindled contempt. To some, it may be emblematic of how the public of Great Britain -who voted to leave the European Union, feel right around now. The idea that many in the world were raised with the belief that if a group were asked to make a decision, then the majority who arrived at a determination would see that verdict implemented. In the case of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union on 31st October, that accepted process is no longer applicable. Of course, it sets a precedence for any future decisions requested from the British public and the interpretation of the result. In a hyperbolic scenario, it could be suggested that for a person living in this country wants to fulfil a wish, that person should vote against it! The pros-and-cons of being a partner in the European Union are difficult to research due to bias from each faction. Objective truth is hazy because of the lame-stream media's manner and political rhetoric from a complacent Parliament who's protective 'bubble' in Westminster has hampered their perception of the people they're supposed to represent. If the UK had left on 31st March 29, a proposal offered by ex-Prime Minister Theresa May three years after the referendum, then the agreed EU regulations would have seen the UK spending three years 'weaning' themselves off the disciplines that the other twenty-seven countries adhere to. With trade between the UK and these twenty-seven nations still paramount to the EU project and Great Britain, the 'Leaving' plan was originally designed to utilise that time to adjust any accords that involved tariffs, Custom rules and security. But in an environment where private and public companies would scrutinise the leaving process, accommodate their businesses to use these changes and seek out other possible customer across the world, a decision that all the political parties in the United Kingdom agreed to abide by was halted on the day of remembering the dead and the change of seasons. I have never known such a time when a democratic country arrives at a result from a binary question and the conclusion is -not only ignored, it is argued against with poor contention. However and if you'll allow me, I do believe I know why. There's been a fundamental change in the way that most of the populace in the first-world countries have consciously become in their way of understanding what social leadership and communal awareness actually is. A sentient group will go one way after intermutual acknowledgement is arrived at and the person deemed strongest of the group is charged with the task of going forward with the agreed plan and testing for pitfalls -genuine pitfalls, that the group may not have included in their thinking. Checking that all is safe, the colony can proceed under the assurance that their chosen 'leader' has cleared a way of perils and therefore, increased the chances of the group continuing to exist and possibly thrive. This idea of single-hegemony is our basic tenet of tribal existence and has the luxury of advantage in two ways. Remember, even a leader has to sleep and many alert eyes bring easier dreams! But today, that type of overall continuation has been eroded. Simply put, we've become soft, complacent and weak. Those same first-world communities believe the bar of merit, personal strength and natural conduction, should be lowered to cater for the lesser, those who actually benefit from members of their group that are supposed to genuinely strive to improve the whole. Those who succeed in thier individual skills are now frowned upon and asked to perform to a level below their standard. Those thought to have such commanding aptitudes are now graded on visual appearance, a predilection towards empathy and always displaying an air of altruism. Again, feelings, emotions and a lowering of expectations. Whether the above theory is self-inflicted due to the multitude of comfort, the fall of religious disciplines or a natural outcome when an Empire has lived too long, I don't know. But if it's been part of a long-term infiltration scheme by others outside the group, then it should certainly investigated. But then again, how would you know the cause if you discovered it? A person who's breathed water all of their lives will certainly balk if there's evidence that they're supposed to inhaling air and the ironic part is that in the current social climate, you cannot even guarantee a democratically arrived-at result for which idea would benefit you!! Strength is seen as a negative and I believe that comes from too-much time spent accepting excessive indulgence in pleasure and luxury. Nobody is saying you should wear sackcloth and ashes and no one is suggesting that bread and water will make you a more virtuous person, but democracy must be agreed on as ground we must not tread lightly. But today, the footprints are there for all to see. No, there was a saying that went 'Decisions are made by those who turn up' and sadly, it seems in today's society, that is no longer true. Just like those same smoke-smudged gourds sitting in the morning November rain, we'll have to wait and see where the UK ends up. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-05-2019 Just a quickie... My sister-in-law French resident has been here in the UK for over a week and as of writing this, has reported that everything she's purchased here is cheaper than in France! Paris is filthy and heavily cordoned off, some medicines are difficult to obtain and the media rarely report on the crimes committed by their migrant 'guests'. And the question is... what is the EU doing to benefit the countries it rules over? RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - Wallfire - 11-05-2019 Could you ask your sister in law to write about it here. The more people know the truth about what is going on in Europe the better. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-05-2019 (11-05-2019, 01:12 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Could you ask your sister in law to write about it here. The more people know the truth about what is going on in Europe the better. She's out shopping at the moment...! But I will ask her. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-07-2019 (11-05-2019, 01:12 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Could you ask your sister in law to write about it here. The more people know the truth about what is going on in Europe the better. Here's the commodities that she found cheaper in the UK than in France. Supermarket bread. Brie cheese -which I was surprised about! Milk 1 litre Vanish fabric stain remover Chicken breasts Bottled water .033 litre Shoes -predominantly women shoes. Fruit per kilo Vegetables McDonald meals Eggs 1 dozen However, public transport was cheaper in France, as was rent. She also felt that salaries in France were lightly higher. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - Wallfire - 11-07-2019 Any chance she would like to also tell us about the things the news papers dont tell, how France has changed in the last few years RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-07-2019 (11-07-2019, 03:18 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Any chance she would like to also tell us about the things the news papers dont tell, how France has changed in the last few years I'll ask her and prepare it for here. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-11-2019 Wherever the public make a statement, good ol' George is there to put a spanner in the works. Quote:Tories call for urgent investigation into £3million that George Soros funnelled into anti-Brexit campaignDaily Mail: Oh, I'm sure the EU Commission will find no indiscretions! RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-14-2019 (11-07-2019, 03:18 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Any chance she would like to also tell us about the things the news papers dont tell, how France has changed in the last few years I apologise for the tardiness in writing my sister-in-law's thoughts on the country she's been living in for over forty years and especially to Wallfire, who was interested in what she thought of France in today's politically-charged climate. Remember, this is what she thinks, not definitely knows. First off, the regular French person-in-the-street isn't getting the whole truth of what the European Union wants and what the countries that fund it, actually obtain. The ideals of what the Macron and the EU supposedly desire and the realities of the day-to-day lives of indigenous French citizens are very far apart. Immigration in France is a real problem that isn't being addressed by either the Government or the media. Subsidies from the European Union have become standard and ergo, reliance on funding instead of self-sustainability is breeding resentment in some quarters considering the lack of economic input from the ever-increasing migrant communities. There's also some grumbling regarding the pension-system and the migrants. There's little input -if none by these recent residents and yet, they will receive a full pension at the appropriate time. The salaries -in general, in France are slightly higher than in the United Kingdom, however the cost of foods, clothes and many other items in the UK are much lower than in France and the differences cannot be equated in equivalence. Brands that are in the UK from countries outside of the EU are not available in France and to a smaller extent, visa-versa. Communal travel is cheaper in France, however my sister-in-law only compared her nearby rail-service to the reports of costs in the UK's rail network. France's railway system is nationalised compared to the UK's privately-funded, yet she admitted that the British passenger rolling-stock were in better condition than the ones she rides in. The availability was okay, but the damage and dirt in the carriages she puts down to the lack of investment and the migrants! The Yellow Vest (Gilets jaunes) movement has been taken over by young people who just want the chaos. The fuel-prices that were the initial concern of these protesters have risen and it seems there's no wish for the French Government to solve the problem. Centuries-old statues are beyond salvaging and many businesses are gone from areas of Paris. My sister-in-law and her married daughter believe certain parts of Paris are dangerous -usually at night, due to them being female. Her son is a Police Officer and has told them to immediately ring him with location details if they ever stray into certain parts of the city inhabited by migrants. Those areas are mainly migrant-filled and have a certain belief structure when it comes to women and conduct. She added that anti-semitic crime -although she didn't use that expression, is also on the rise in Paris. She doesn't like what's happening to Paris and its surroundings and has mentioned that she's considered moving back to northern Britain. My sister-in-law's description of the streets in Paris unaffected by the riots indicate a drop in the usual standards. Defecating by both dogs and the many tented-communities of migrants are regular sights. Discarded rubbish is common in places once noted for a higher tone of civil living. And just like London, there's no waste-bins. (For London, this was due to the IRA bombings of the Capital back in the seventies and were never replaced after the troubles had halted on the mainland) I hope this relates her attitude to the areas of France she knows well. Personally, it shows that Paris is enduring what many cities and towns under EU umbrella are dealing with and there seems to be.... no, there is a common cause and I think we know what it is. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - Wallfire - 11-14-2019 BIAD thank you very much, I do have contacts in other parts of Europe but not France. It was sad to hear that its much the same else where, and that the media is covering it up. I know that the government here asks the media not to tell the true story about the rapes and violence. If now and then she could keep us up to date that would be great. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-14-2019 (11-14-2019, 02:27 PM)Wallfire Wrote: ...If now and then she could keep us up to date that would be great. Will do. I'm subtly working on getting my nephew (her Police son) to send me info. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - Wallfire - 11-14-2019 That would be great, its how I get some of my info RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-14-2019 (11-14-2019, 06:55 PM)Wallfire Wrote: That would be great, its how I get some of my info After I posted the information above, she casually mentioned that her son and his fellow-Officers deliberately take a detour when required to visit some the 'dodgy' social-housing areas around Paris. The Police's hopes are that by the time they arrive to see what the latest violence is, they've hopefully killed each other! On a serious note, she added that the Police do fear going into these built-up places of mainly migrant gangs and that these same groups have taken over the Champs- Elysees when the night comes. So it's dangerous there too. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-18-2019 Great Britian had a referendum you know, a non-binding request of the Conservative Government to public of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Gibralter and a small section of the Channel Isles, in order to ask them if they wished to remain or leave the European Union. It was a close call and every indications were that the UK would remain in the EU, just as the last referendum that asked the same realms of the British Isles if they'd like to stay in the previously-titled European Economic Community. All the political parties agreed to accept the result and when the Prime Minister at the time -David Cameron announced outside No.10 Downing Street that the people had spoken and a slim majority had decided to vacate the bureaucratic consortium, a strange feelling enveloped that same public who marked an 'X' in a box. That was three years ago and lots of things have changed since that decision. Those same political parties have also changed their original decisions on how they would perceive what those they serve had arrived at their verdict. The Conservatives with Boris Johnson at the helm, realised jumping on the 'Leave' train, would possibly safeguard a future governance. Nigel Farage's home-spun Brexit Party that are said to represent the British public's decision, were in agreement with the Tories and wanted a straight-forward exit from the group of 28 countries. Labour, the once-working-class party, sat on the fence and at the time of writing, are still unsure of what they want. Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party's leader and avid Marxist, has said they want a better deal with the EU, a deal that he can put back to the British people with another referendum and depending on that result, then decide what to do about leaving or remaining in the EU. The Scottish National Party wish to stay in the European Union and the fact that all of Scotland voted to remain, their leader Nicola Sturgeon, also wants Scotland to gain independence from the United Kingdom. Maybe Gordi can assist at ths point? Acknowledging that Home-Rule is important, Wales is or was a predominantly a Labour stronghold with Plaid Cymru still struggling to raise the patriotic flag. Finally, we have the Liberal Democrats, a party that not only wants to ignore the original referendum, it wants us to stay in the EU and even adopt the euro currency over the UK's pound. Who'd have thought a group with the word 'democrat' in their name would neglect the actual use of the noun when it came to choice?! Here's their leader Jo Swinsnon, who doesn't agree with egalitarianism. And for anyone's interest, 'LBC ' is a London-based national phone-in and talk radio station and is short for: ' Leading Britain's Conversation'. Quote:Jo Swinson forced to address threat to the pound in Brexit plan ‘Have to join the euro!'The Express: Without taking sides on the Leave/Remain issue, this woman is a f*ckin' idiot! RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-24-2019 My final comment above regarding the leader of the Liberal Democrat Party wasn't said in disdain, what I was hoping to show -via the article and my explanation of the major political parties stances on the 'Brexit' situation, was that Jo Swinson's party's position on the Leave/Remain question is exasperating If you agree that governance of a country is to abide by a majority decision, whether it's through an individual representative of a group voting in that group's favoured manner or whether you ask the whole nation for a judgement, the result of that request should be adhered to. A society that asks itself a choice and then ignores the lion's share of the conclusion cannot be deemed democratic and objective, it's a society that is led from despotic location. Some may think that a little strong in terms of how to deliver a directive, but if a majority decision is ignored for one particular publicly-chosen request, then a person who boasts such a manner of governance is an autocrat and is advertising their practice of command with a doubt that they're incorrect. That is the underlying mettle of a f*ckin' idiot. Using a slightly dramatic scenario, if the question was proposed to the public that should the ruling Government should euthanize every family's first-born and the vote is overwhelmingly against such a deed, does the same governing body ignore the arrived-at decision and get the knives out?!! I'm struggling to see how Mrs. Swinson doesn't realise that leadership of a large community is based on a general trust formed from moralistic deliberation and the notion of implementing what the majority of that community desires. Maybe her need to offer this dubious aspect of constituents-benefiting administration on television programmes who work to bolster the failing ratings with rage-inducing articles, is a clue to her ability of political awareness? Roll on February, where we can get back to some-sort of normality and discuss racism, the Royals and why Epstein killed himself. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-26-2019 As some may be aware, the UK is heading towards an election and currently the Labour Party has been under the cosh regarding anti-semitism. I suppose the question is who in Jeremy Corbyn's party hates Jews? The mainstream media have never said and in fact, nobody from the political world has ever even hinted at it. Of course, it's a boon for the Conservative Party who are focused on using the Brexit debacle to keep their current status in Government. Quote:General election 2019: No apology from Jeremy Corbyn over Labour anti-Semitism claims.BBC: I wonder if this below could be a clue...? It came out hot-on-the-heels of Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis's complaint. Quote:Muslim Council criticises Tories over Islamophobia.BBC Too!: And nobody in the same media are connecting the dots! Jews vs Muslims. RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 11-27-2019 ...And as if by magic, the very next day of posting the article above, The Sun report on who may be the contenders of 'Jew Haters'! Quote:THE NASTY PARTY Revealed – 10 of Jeremy Corbyn’s candidates who stand accused of blatantThe Sun: RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 12-13-2019 The 2019 UK election came and went with the unwanted forecast of a Conservative Party landslide being begrudgingly discussed by Britain's mainstream media. They'd bet everything on saving the cheap flights and subsidised Euro-Tunnel fares to their villas in the south of France and expensive properties in Paris. But it seems that the Marxist Jeremy Corbyn and the detached privileged and very undemocratic Jo Swinson had let them down. Boris Johnson's 'Let's Get Brexit Done' campaign has worked and my only surprise was that the once-working-class Labour party hadn't realised that the 2016 Referendum result was really always their ticket to getting into Downing Street. But going along with that slim accord, Mr Corbyn would've not only be seen as a Tory ass-licker, he'd have also had to take his drastic notions of nationalising everything and step down from being the Labour Party's leader. Instead of getting behind the swathes of Labour voters who were the prominent force behind the yearning to leave the European Union, Corbyn and his party devised a poorly thought-out scheme that -when reading between the lines, leaned more towards what the Liberal Democrats were proposing, that of ignoring the Referendum result and remaining in the EU. Agree with the leaving-the-EU decision or not, the public had spoken and the country entered an area rarely glimpsed by those outside of the political and media bubble. A place where the reality of what the voter wanted and the requirements of those who are supposed to serve the balloters, became truly evident. So weeks and weeks of sabotage ensued. The EU Referendum result was shackled at every turn by both Conservative, Liberal Democrat and Labour members of Parliament. The country looked on as the ranting and schoolyard behavior played out on their television screens. The public watched a scene that told them who was really in charge and what the act of voting really meant to those they were supposed to trust. During the brouhaha and the infantile ruckus in the House Of Commons, that same public quietly slipped the red pill between their lips and whispered "Never More". So began the clear-out. The Conservative Party ousted it's hidden 'Remainers' with their financial ties to European banking systems and commercial companies and knowing the only way out of this hidebound mess was to go the country, Boris Johnson taunted the Labour Party with a General Election. Jeremy, who had listened to his Momentum people, a 'cult-like' group within the Labour Party that assured him that the people out there in the places they'd never considered before, wanted changes in the way the National Health Service was being under-funded and also wished the Government to buy out all the businesses that were the backbone to the UK. Nationalise and borrow, keywords that for some reason, Momentum thought would do the trick and then... they took the bait. (By the way, funding has never went down for the NHS, it's gone up annually). "Let's talk about the real problem we have in this country, poverty...", "There's more Food-Banks than McDonald's...", "Thousands of people come here from overseas to support our NHS and make our coffee and now we're looking to stop them?..." They jabbered and blathered, babbled and booed. Jeremy Corbyn fought with the media over the anti-semitism within his party and accused Boris of selling-off the NHS to Donald Trump. The Scottish National Party's (SSNP) leader -Nichola Sturgeon pushed for a referendum of her own in order for Scotland to leave the United Kingdom and the Liberal Democrat Party leader -Jo Swinson secretly accepted EU funding and assured the public that the most democratic thing that she could do was to ignore their EU Referendum decision. All the while, the red pill took hold. A question had been asked in 2016 and the people of Great Britain had answered. You can call them racists if you want, you can insult their intelligence by assuming regional accents indicate acumen and you can yell that they all hate queers and the French. You can do that... but first discharge the decree that the public had decided on, fulfil the mandate and then you can get back to mocking those that you pretend to listen to and pay your large expense accounts. But instead, the manic theatrical comedy played on and the man who'd enhanced his political career by being a stage jester understood why the audience wasn't laughing. He got it... and then he got it done. The Conservative Party won the 2019 UK General Election with a large majority and in the early hours of the day after the vote, Prime Minister Johnson joked "Let's get Brexit done, but first... let's get breakfast done!" Because everything stops for tea. Prime Minister Boris Johnson retained his seat in his Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency. Jeremy Corbyn also retained his seat, but indicated during his acceptance speech that he won't be leading the Labour Party in the future. Liberal Democrat Jo Swinson -ignoring the advice to wear low-cut tops, lost her seat in Dunbartonshire East in Scotland and quit as leader. Meanwhile in the realm of our beloved Gordi, the SNP leader whooped when the news came through of Swinson's failing! RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - BIAD - 12-13-2019 The way it is now. It's like being in a world of spoilt brats and they scream about the world not being fair! Democracy for me, but not for thee! Quote:Hundreds of protesters descend on Downing Street to 'defy Tory rule' after Boris Johnson's election victory.The Express: RE: The UK's Brexit Referendum. - Ninurta - 12-14-2019 (12-13-2019, 12:10 PM)BIAD Wrote: Because everything stops for tea. Ain't that the truth? I've seen grown men stop in the middle of a firefight, squat behind a rock wall, and fire up a half of a trioxane bar beneath a canteen cup of water because it was 5PM, and tea was the civilized thing to do at 5PM. As usual, a very well thought out and insightful analysis! Thank you from across the pond, where we might not otherwise grasp the more subtle nuances of British politics. It was like going on a guided tour. . |