Haven't had my ear to the train tracks of the news cycle, but just saw this in the Early Bird: Apparently, the Supreme Court is going to hear a pair of cases on Monday ... that will likely overturn the practice of Affirmative Action.

I do NOT believe in EQUITY. The way it has been ABUSED 'lessens society' to a needlessly lower common denominator. It always makes you ask yourself, "Why am I working so damned hard when those lazy worthless f*cks getting the same or better for free ... and look at 'em run their free sh*t into the ground ... won't lift a finger to maintain it ... and there they go ... off to rob and steal with all that free time they've got on their hands.

I am all for the pendulum swinging back the other way. And ... while I have never believed the words, "All men are created equal," I can probably win any argument about differences that start (and are obviously apparent) right at birth.

I hope every single one of the General Officers who have promoted the Diversity Rage all resign in protest. Would be the best thing that's happened inside the uniformed services since I've been around.

Let's form a massive army. My PM is open for all suggestions.

An army against all enablers of a global mass murder, also known as the "vaccinated" ones.

An army against everyone who has ever said a bad word towards sexual minorities or racial minorities.

(10-27-2022, 01:07 PM)Finspiracy Wrote: Let's form a massive army. My PM is open for all suggestions.

An army against all enablers of a global mass murder, also known as the "vaccinated" ones.

An army against everyone who has ever said a bad word towards sexual minorities or racial minorities.

The problem is that no matter how wonderful, beautiful, or effective, something is, man will come along and screw it up.

We tarnish everything we touch.

We will never have a fair world because fairness is in the eye of the greedy, cheap, jealous, selfish, and hateful. And as long as they think someone is getting more than them, they will always be miserable, and misery is the only thing they will share freely.

Unfortunately the only way to learn the lesson of peace and harmony is to loose everything, and regrow from scratch. Walking a mile in bare feet, takes more than time and endurance. It comes with pain, and injury. Scabs easily fall off causing more bleeding and pain. Often there will be infection which will take longer to heal, and the formation of scars does not always offer relief.

When you can see the world through the eyes of the giver you will learn the value is not in the gift, it is in the heart of the giver. 

A million dollars is no sacrifice to the multi billionaire, but two pennies is everything to the poor widow.

I have learned through experience that the quest for money and material things is a journey that ends in a land of fear, with an unfulfilled thirst for true happiness, and a barrier to true friendship.

I will join the battle, after we have conquered the true enemy. The evil that lurks in our hearts.

(10-27-2022, 01:58 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: The problem is that no matter how wonderful, beautiful, or effective, something is, man will come along and screw it up.



We tarnish everything we touch.



We will never have a fair world because fairness is in the eye of the greedy, cheap, jealous, selfish, and hateful. And as long as they think someone is getting more than them, they will always be miserable, and misery is the only thing they will share freely.

I so deeply wish i had some counter argument to this. Something. Profanity. Bitching. Something.

But i have nothing.

You nailed it 100%

(10-27-2022, 01:02 PM)Snarl Wrote: Haven't had my ear to the train tracks of the news cycle, but just saw this in the Early Bird: Apparently, the Supreme Court is going to hear a pair of cases on Monday ... that will likely overturn the practice of Affirmative Action.



I do NOT believe in EQUITY. The way it has been ABUSED 'lessens society' to a needlessly lower common denominator. It always makes you ask yourself, "Why am I working so damned hard when those lazy worthless f*cks getting the same or better for free ... and look at 'em run their free sh*t into the ground ... won't lift a finger to maintain it ... and there they go ... off to rob and steal with all that free time they've got on their hands.



I am all for the pendulum swinging back the other way. And ... while I have never believed the words, "All men are created equal," I can probably win any argument about differences that start (and are obviously apparent) right at birth.



I hope every single one of the General Officers who have promoted the Diversity Rage all resign in protest. Would be the best thing that's happened inside the uniformed services since I've been around.

Affirmative Action sucks, you should be given resources or employment by your abilities, qualifications or needs that are complicated by things beyond your control. not because of the color of your skin, sex or nationality.

i believe that people should have equal rights, not special rights because of the color of your skin, sex or nationality.  . we're all different in many ways, but we should all be allowed to speak our mind, go and do what we want so long as it doesn't hurt others, or violate rules and laws that are there for specific reasons. in other words Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

when i was in the Corps we always said that we might be different shades, but we all bleed green.

Affirmative action is a double edged sword. When my kids were babies I was working at a Mobil Oil refinery flagging dump trucks. I was doing double duty because my work partner (a black man who was hired due to affirmative action) spent all day every day between the air conditioned guard shack and the port-a-john- and was being paid more than I was. I had to flag dump trucks across a busy main road and across a dangerous set of railroad tracks and had to cover 4 sets of gates on either side of the road for 12 hours a day in the hot SE Texas sun while he sat in the ac bullshitting with the guard. It would have been a much easier job had he done his part or if they would have fired him and got somebody else to do his job- but no, affirmative action wouldn't let them. I couldn't even take a lunch break because of that guy and ate on my feet doing my job to keep the truckers safe in a very unsafe situation. And yet.... the only reason that I as a woman had that job was ALSO because of affirmative action. They had to employ certain percentages of minorities AND females to comply with it.

At least the truckers and their wives appreciated my efforts. I received every sort of delicious homemade goodie you can imagine, cool hats, bandanas and such, even a stuffed bear holding a "Thank you!" heart from one of the trucker's wives. Trucker families are awesome!

So while I despise affirmative action because of those who use it to get paid for doing nothing and don't get fired I also loved it for giving me a job that paid enough to keep a roof over our heads, food on the table and pay for a sitter in a time when the ONLY way to get in was because of affirmative action and quotas. Like I said, a double edged sword. 

(10-27-2022, 03:40 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: Affirmative action is a double edged sword. When my kids were babies I was working at a Mobil Oil refinery flagging dump trucks. I was doing double duty because my work partner (a black man who was hired due to affirmative action) spent all day every day between the air conditioned guard shack and the port-a-john- and was being paid more than I was. I had to flag dump trucks across a busy main road and across a dangerous set of railroad tracks and had to cover 4 sets of gates on either side of the road for 12 hours a day in the hot SE Texas sun while he sat in the ac bullshitting with the guard. It would have been a much easier job had he done his part or if they would have fired him and got somebody else to do his job- but no, affirmative action wouldn't let them. I couldn't even take a lunch break because of that guy and ate on my feet doing my job to keep the truckers safe in a very unsafe situation. And yet.... the only reason that I as a woman had that job was ALSO because of affirmative action. They had to employ certain percentages of minorities AND females to comply with it.

At least the truckers and their wives appreciated my efforts. I received every sort of delicious homemade goodie you can imagine, cool hats, bandanas and such, even a stuffed bear holding a "Thank you!" heart from one of the trucker's wives. Trucker families are awesome!

So while I despise affirmative action because of those who use it to get paid for doing nothing and don't get fired I also loved it for giving me a job that paid enough to keep a roof over our heads, food on the table and pay for a sitter in a time when the ONLY way to get in was because of affirmative action and quotas. Like I said, a double edged sword. 

I can definitely relate.

Like you, being a female meant that I had to over prove my capability, and I had to do three times the amount of work than my male counterparts, quicker, and better.

I never asked for more. I just asked for an opportunity. I just wanted a chance. Even though nothing about my situations were ever equal, I was still treated as if they were doing me a favor.

If you are blessed with never being last in line regardless of how much you qualify, I can easily see how me being moved up a few notches would seem unfair and would breed animosity. Like I said, all I wanted was a chance to show my capability.

For those that get an opportunity and abuse the chance they are given, even when the playing field will never be level, I can't speak about that, because I don't know what is behind it. I can only share my experiences.

For me affirmative action was not a easy ride up the ladder. I had to fight tooth and nail for every rung.

I've been blessed to have never, in all my days, ever worked at a job where anyone got paid less than anyone else that was doing the same job. In many cases, women were my bosses, and they got paid more, but then again they were my bosses, so, not doing the same job.

I had one boss complain that I was making more. She was a captain, and once when she brought my check to me, she said "do you know how hard it is to turn over a check to someone working for you that is a bigger check than your own?" So I told her that I'm sure if she volunteered to come out in the trenches and put in 18 hour days with hazard pay, she'd be able to make as much as me. She snorted and walked away laughing and shaking her head. we both knew THAT was not gonna happen!

I did work one job that was impacted by Affirmative Action. While we were all getting paid the same for doing the same job, they kept bringing in minorities that were less qualified than I, and in the end moved me right out of that job simply because I was not one of those minorities, and they needed for one to fill my spot. Not my fault that it went to hell in a hand-basket after that - they should have hired and promoted on qualifications and ability rather than skin color.

That's right, I was once the victim of reverse discrimination. Worked out fine for me, though, since I didn't want to work for a bunch of racists anyhow. Didn't work out so well for them, but that wasn't my lookout. I'd already moved on to bigger and better things when they came back 'round wanting me to haul their fat out of the fire.

They could haul their own damned fat after what they did. They were no longer trustworthy enough to work for - if they did it once, they might do it again.

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Not sure how much of a splash this made overall. I did see this: 

(10-27-2022, 03:03 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote: When I was in the Corps we always said that we might be different shades, but we all bleed green.

I always knew there were aliens amongst us. ... Point taken, Brother. The rest of us may bleed the same color red, it's not skin tone that sets us apart.

(10-27-2022, 03:03 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote: Affirmative Action sucks, you should be given resources or employment by your abilities, qualifications or needs that are complicated by things beyond your control. Not because of the color of your skin, sex or nationality. 

This really made me think. I don't so much have a problem with equality being a societal goal, whether it's the skin color thing or a gender thing. What hit me between the eyes was "given resources". Any reasonable resources 'should' at least afford the earner the opportunity to raise their kids amongst their peers in their community.

Ever notice the resources given are disproportionate in different regions of the country, even though much the same level of effort is required to accomplish the same thing? Sometimes that region is separated by something as mediocre as a river, and then it's the birds of a feather thingy. I don't feel like typing a novel tonight, so I'll just end my thoughts there. I know you (and everyone else on these boards) is astute enough to see where I'm going.