Things that make you go hmmm.....

I am probably over thinking this, but this whole thing has my spidey senses humming.

Quote: JUST IN: DeSantis Says 'We're Working With Elon Musk' Post-Hurricane Ian, Details Recovery Steps
 

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

I guess I should add for those that don't know. Folk out in some of the more remote areas, we don't have wi-fi, cable, or wired telecom services. Cell coverage is hit or miss. Most of us have satellite dishes, and many still have landlines, but landlines are disappearing because the telephone company service out in the woods, is abysmal. Satellite is not cheap, so to see the government paying for a broadcasting device for the everyday, poor, common folk, has me more than a bit suspicious. 

I am sure there is more in it for them, than it is for us.

DeSantis: "...working with SpaceX and we are expecting 120 additional large Starlink units to deploy to Southwest Florida."

Nope, I think you're over target. New technology to help (monitor/track) those living in rural areas. Perfect crisis to experiment. We see you, we hear you, we can help you. Most people forget or don't realize that Elon is a defense contractor...to keep you safe out in the sticks. Waves to Starlink. smh.

Post-Hurricane Ian is about to become a huge cash cow for some people.

(10-01-2022, 11:48 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: DeSantis: "...working with SpaceX and we are expecting 120 additional large Starlink units to deploy to Southwest Florida."

Nope, I think you're over target. New technology to help (monitor/track) those living in rural areas. Perfect crisis to experiment. We see you, we hear you, we can help you. Most people forget or don't realize that Elon is a defense contractor...to keep you safe out in the sticks. Waves to Starlink. smh.

Post-Hurricane Ian is about to become a huge cash cow for some people.

I am glad you don't think that I have gone over the edge.

Just hearing the words come out of his mouth as he talked about portable towers and signals being broadcast out to the masses, made a shiver move up my spine.

(10-02-2022, 12:46 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(10-01-2022, 11:48 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: DeSantis: "...working with SpaceX and we are expecting 120 additional large Starlink units to deploy to Southwest Florida."

Nope, I think you're over target. New technology to help (monitor/track) those living in rural areas. Perfect crisis to experiment. We see you, we hear you, we can help you. Most people forget or don't realize that Elon is a defense contractor...to keep you safe out in the sticks. Waves to Starlink. smh.

Post-Hurricane Ian is about to become a huge cash cow for some people.

I am glad you don't think that I have gone over the edge.

Just hearing the words come out of his mouth as he talked about portable towers and signals being broadcast out to the masses, made a shiver move up my spine.

Nope, not over the edge.



What may start out as a good thing, in which to help people in a time of need such as now.
Where people are eager for any and all help without question


May end up later on down the road, used in ways that the public may not care for once the help is no longer needed.




Time will tell
It always does

I'm not too concerned about it just yet. Connectivity is an important thing, especially for first responders.

After Isabelle, I was sent out to the coast of North Carolina to provide security for the relief effort, as when infrastructure is out, looters often come out to play. There's just no way to get help if they show up, so often they do.

We were issued cell phones so we could call for backup if it hit the fan where we were standing... and none of the cell phones worked. Not a damned one. All the towers were out, so, no connectivity, no signal. I was posted at a dinky little crossroads named Hobbsville, which had one bank, 3 dwellings, two barns, a small assortment of sheds, and a lot of swamp - the Great Dismal (where Blackbeard is said to haunt) is the most famous one, and it was just to the north and slightly west of where I was. No electricity, no cell service, no landlines - but the people in that little community were great.

So there I was, just minding my own business, working 12 hour shifts 7 days a week all by my lonesome, until shift change occurred, and when things got ugly it was just me and my own gun against whomever came to call. There would be no cavalry coming over the hill to the rescue.

That right there is a pretty lonely feeling. I was pretty relieved when Beggar, that American bulldog in the photo on page 300 of my e-book, showed up one day. It was that very assignment when that photo was taken. He just came wandering in out of the swamp, I shared my lunch with him, and made a fast friend that refused to leave me or let anyone else screw with me. That was one of two dangerous assignments I had where a canine just appeared out of nowhere, hung out with me until the assignment was done, and then disappeared again. I find that a bit strange, but also strangely comforting.

These measures they are taking to insure connectivity sound to me like they are being dedicated to first responders and emergency services personnel. It also sounds like, since they're portable, they'll vanish once the normal infrastructure is repaired. Think for a moment - he said specifically that the Starlink pods would cover a 13 mile radius each, and allow for 1000 simultaneous users. Now I've not been to south Florida, but I have been to some pretty lonely places... and very few of them have been so depopulated as to have a population density of 1.88 people per square mile ((pi*(13^2) = 530.93 square miles, that divided by 1000 users is 1.88 users per square mile in the coverage area), and in those places I've been that were that sparsely populated, no one had enough money to own any electronic devices anyhow.

So I wouldn't panic just yet. I'd wait to see if the temporary measures go away after your regular connectivity is re-established and the emergency services influx goes back home. That regular connectivity is far more of a threat than the temporary measures that are alarming folks. It will handle a far higher data collection load, and it already did every single day before Ian ate it.

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(10-02-2022, 08:02 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I'm not too concerned about it just yet. Connectivity is an important thing, especially for first responders.

After Isabelle, I was sent out to the coast of North Carolina to provide security for the relief effort, as when infrastructure is out, looters often come out to play. There's just no way to get help if they show up, so often they do.

We were issued cell phones so we could call for backup if it hit the fan where we were standing... and none of the cell phones worked. Not a damned one. All the towers were out, so, no connectivity, no signal. I was posted at a dinky little crossroads named Hobbsville, which had one bank, 3 dwellings, two barns, a small assortment of sheds, and a lot of swamp - the Great Dismal (where Blackbeard is said to haunt) is the most famous one, and it was just to the north and slightly west of where I was. No electricity, no cell service, no landlines - but the people in that little community were great.

So there I was, just minding my own business, working 12 hour shifts 7 days a week all by my lonesome, until shift change occurred, and when things got ugly it was just me and my own gun against whomever came to call. There would be no cavalry coming over the hill to the rescue.

That right there is a pretty lonely feeling. I was pretty relieved when Beggar, that American bulldog in the photo on page 300 of my e-book, showed up one day. It was that very assignment when that photo was taken. He just came wandering in out of the swamp, I shared my lunch with him, and made a fast friend that refused to leave me or let anyone else screw with me. That was one of two dangerous assignments I had where a canine just appeared out of nowhere, hung out with me until the assignment was done, and then disappeared again. I find that a bit strange, but also strangely comforting.

These measures they are taking to insure connectivity sound to me like they are being dedicated to first responders and emergency services personnel. It also sounds like, since they're portable, they'll vanish once the normal infrastructure is repaired. Think for a moment - he said specifically that the Starlink pods would cover a 13 mile radius each, and allow for 1000 simultaneous users. Now I've not been to south Florida, but I have been to some pretty lonely places... and very few of them have been so depopulated as to have a population density of 1.88 people per square mile ((pi*(13^2) = 530.93 square miles, that divided by 1000 users is 1.88 users per square mile in the coverage area), and in those places I've been that were that sparsely populated, no one had enough money to own any electronic devices anyhow.

So I wouldn't panic just yet. I'd wait to see if the temporary measures go away after your regular connectivity is re-established and the emergency services influx goes back home. That regular connectivity is far more of a threat than the temporary measures that are alarming folks. It will handle a far higher data collection load, and it already did every single day before Ian ate it.

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Yeah, but once you invite it in......

People in the middle of the desert and jungle have blogs, maybe they should ask them how they are managing that in those poor third world countries.

I am a first responder and I live out in the woods. I am surrounded by cell phone towers and I am lucky to get or receive a call, and even luckier if the call is not dropped, and that is on a beautiful clear day.

I guess us folks in the woods are a fourth world country to itself, unless someone can make some money on the deal, or when it benefits the government.

I don't trust them. 

I know, that is my problem.

(10-02-2022, 09:41 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Yeah, but once you invite it in......

People in the middle of the desert and jungle have blogs, maybe they should ask them how they are managing that in those poor third world countries.

I am a first responder and I live out in the woods. I am surrounded by cell phone towers and I am lucky to get or receive a call, and even luckier if the call is not dropped, and that is on a beautiful clear day.

I guess us folks in the woods are a fourth world country to itself, unless someone can make some money on the deal, or when it benefits the government.

I don't trust them. 

I know, that is my problem.

I don't much trust them, either, but as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Musk is footing the bill for the Starlink setup according to Desantis, so I would hazard a guess that he's doing it for the PR rather than the money, like he did in the Ukraine. That's the pessimist in me poking it's head out, denying any rationale of altrusim.

I live out in the boonies, too, and have had to pipe in my own cell signals since I left Kansas City and came back the the hills. We've noticed people parking at the house just to take advantage of the only cell signal in the valley, both here and at the last residence we lived at. But when the power goes out, no cell signal here, either, because the network extender runs on 'lectricity. Battery backup would not help in our case, because the signal comes in through the internet, and the internet runs on 'lectricity, too. These hills and hollers play merry Hobb with cell signals and FM radio, because both of those travel line of sight, and there are damned few lines of sight here. Before we got the network extender, I had to climb the ridge behind my house to get a cell signal, which was a grueling trip as the ridge goes up around 400 feet or so, and the climb gets steeper the higher you go until you are almost climbing vertically before getting into the signal stream that skates along the mountain tops.

It was still better than driving out to civilization just to get a signal, though.

Out of curiosity, has any of Musk's Starlink pods given you a signal there yet?

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I have not finished researching this business yet, but I don't think it is going to work for us woodland folk.

It also explains why they were talking about putting up another 120 satellites.

For the amount of coverage that comes with the system, the whole darn sky is going to be littered with star links for this thing to work efficiently. I am not feeling good about this whole thing.

I know. I know. My confirmation bias is getting in the way.

(10-02-2022, 07:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: I have not finished researching this business yet, but I don't think it is going to work for us woodland folk.

It also explains why they were talking about putting up another 120 satellites.

For the amount of coverage that comes with the system, the whole darn sky is going to be littered with star links for this thing to work efficiently. I am not feeling good about this whole thing.

I know. I know. My confirmation bias is getting in the way.

Yeah, that's my whole problem with the Starlink system - the whole sky would have to be dotted with satellites, and some stars would be utterly blotted out from observation from Earth, with artificial "stars" taking their place. It would change the face of the night sky. It would still be hit or miss in places like this because satellite signals, like cell signals and FM radio, are also line-of-sight. Satellite signals here, like those for GPS, Sirius XM, or satphones, come and go as you drive around, seemingly dropping out at random.

A conspiracy minded person might observe that here, we have learned where those signal shadows from satellite coverage are...

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(10-02-2022, 07:14 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2022, 09:41 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Yeah, but once you invite it in......

People in the middle of the desert and jungle have blogs, maybe they should ask them how they are managing that in those poor third world countries.

I am a first responder and I live out in the woods. I am surrounded by cell phone towers and I am lucky to get or receive a call, and even luckier if the call is not dropped, and that is on a beautiful clear day.

I guess us folks in the woods are a fourth world country to itself, unless someone can make some money on the deal, or when it benefits the government.

I don't trust them. 

I know, that is my problem.

I don't much trust them, either, but as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Musk is footing the bill for the Starlink setup according to Desantis, so I would hazard a guess that he's doing it for the PR rather than the money, like he did in the Ukraine. That's the pessimist in me poking it's head out, denying any rationale of altrusim.

I live out in the boonies, too, and have had to pipe in my own cell signals since I left Kansas City and came back the the hills. We've noticed people parking at the house just to take advantage of the only cell signal in the valley, both here and at the last residence we lived at. But when the power goes out, no cell signal here, either, because the network extender runs on 'lectricity. Battery backup would not help in our case, because the signal comes in through the internet, and the internet runs on 'lectricity, too. These hills and hollers play merry Hobb with cell signals and FM radio, because both of those travel line of sight, and there are damned few lines of sight here. Before we got the network extender, I had to climb the ridge behind my house to get a cell signal, which was a grueling trip as the ridge goes up around 400 feet or so, and the climb gets steeper the higher you go until you are almost climbing vertically before getting into the signal stream that skates along the mountain tops.

It was still better than driving out to civilization just to get a signal, though.

Out of curiosity, has any of Musk's Starlink pods given you a signal there yet?

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I used to play around with Morse Code and Amateur Radio. Never got past technician. Maybe I should pick it back up again.

I would just need to let family know that I am okay. So that isn't that hard to do. If all else fails, I can always fall back on smoke signals.

@Ninurta quote: "I'm not too concerned about it just yet. Connectivity is an important thing, especially for first responders."

I have to agree and assuming this new technology proves to be a worthy investment then 2-5 years down the road it may well also be used for covert purposes, domestic & foreign. They (miltary/DARPA/Def contractors) are working on a global grid system over the entire planet for full spectrum dominance. I'm sure the DoD will be plugged into Starlink system eventually and or serves as an experiment for whatever else they have in their pipeline.

A giant 'Eye' in the sky watching, listening to all..."As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul..." We're being bombarded 24/7 with all kinds of EMF. Always a light & dark trade-off with technology, especially when one steals the technology.

@NightskyeB4Dawn: "Yeah, but once you invite it in...."

Right! It all comes down to "Trust" and in the 2020s 'climate' my trust is very, very thin. Who knows really, can't take anything for granted these days. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Elon mentioned last year they are working on a solution to "dim" the Starlink Sat's.

There was an article awhile back (2019? which I cannot find atm) that took notice on some obscure Russian Gov't purchases of old equipment. That being ham radios, old teletypes from the 60s, typewriters, and the like mechanical/tube equipment that does not run on chips. You know, stuff from the old cold war days. Anywho, I thought that was interesting and even more so today given all the nuclear rhetoric from both sides.

A few Elon Starlink messaging from just this year alone...

(10-02-2022, 09:23 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: @Ninurta quote: "I'm not too concerned about it just yet. Connectivity is an important thing, especially for first responders."

I have to agree and assuming this new technology proves to be a worthy investment then 2-5 years down the road it may well also be used for covert purposes, domestic & foreign. They (miltary/DARPA/Def contractors) are working on a global grid system over the entire planet for full spectrum dominance. I'm sure the DoD will be plugged into Starlink system eventually and or serves as an experiment for whatever else they have in their pipeline.

A giant 'Eye' in the sky watching, listening to all..."As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul..." We're being bombarded 24/7 with all kinds of EMF. Always a light & dark trade-off with technology, especially when one steals the technology.

@NightskyeB4Dawn: "Yeah, but once you invite it in...."

Right! It all comes down to "Trust" and in the 2020s 'climate' my trust is very, very thin. Who knows really, can't take anything for granted these days. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Elon mentioned last year they are working on a solution to "dim" the Starlink Sat's.

There was an article awhile back (2019? which I cannot find atm) that took notice on some obscure Russian Gov't purchases of old equipment. That being ham radios, old teletypes from the 60s, typewriters, and the like mechanical/tube equipment that does not run on chips. You know, stuff from the old cold war days. Anywho, I thought that was interesting and even more so today given all the nuclear rhetoric from both sides.

A few Elon Starlink messaging from just this year alone...

Thank you.
 
That makes me feel all warn and fuzzy inside. Kinda like when you have intestinal worms.

(10-02-2022, 09:34 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(10-02-2022, 09:23 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: @Ninurta quote: "I'm not too concerned about it just yet. Connectivity is an important thing, especially for first responders."

I have to agree and assuming this new technology proves to be a worthy investment then 2-5 years down the road it may well also be used for covert purposes, domestic & foreign. They (miltary/DARPA/Def contractors) are working on a global grid system over the entire planet for full spectrum dominance. I'm sure the DoD will be plugged into Starlink system eventually and or serves as an experiment for whatever else they have in their pipeline.

A giant 'Eye' in the sky watching, listening to all..."As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul..." We're being bombarded 24/7 with all kinds of EMF. Always a light & dark trade-off with technology, especially when one steals the technology.

@NightskyeB4Dawn: "Yeah, but once you invite it in...."

Right! It all comes down to "Trust" and in the 2020s 'climate' my trust is very, very thin. Who knows really, can't take anything for granted these days. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Elon mentioned last year they are working on a solution to "dim" the Starlink Sat's.

There was an article awhile back (2019? which I cannot find atm) that took notice on some obscure Russian Gov't purchases of old equipment. That being ham radios, old teletypes from the 60s, typewriters, and the like mechanical/tube equipment that does not run on chips. You know, stuff from the old cold war days. Anywho, I thought that was interesting and even more so today given all the nuclear rhetoric from both sides.

A few Elon Starlink messaging from just this year alone...

Thank you.
 
That makes me feel all warn and fuzzy inside. Kinda like when you have intestinal worms.

I like to think it leads to better individual planning. You probably know better than me (on the wisdom side at least) that it's better to be aware than woke, ignorant & gullible. Getting harder to look on the bright side and finding opportunities. The righteous light will always eventually shine through, I keep telling myself.

(10-01-2022, 11:48 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: Waves to Starlink. smh.

I use an app called Stellarium. Surprising how often you see a Starlink satellite fly overhead with that thing.

(10-01-2022, 08:56 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Things that make you go hmmm.....

I am probably over thinking this, but this whole thing has my spidey senses humming.

Quote: JUST IN: DeSantis Says 'We're Working With Elon Musk' Post-Hurricane Ian, Details Recovery Steps
 

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

I guess I should add for those that don't know. Folk out in some of the more remote areas, we don't have wi-fi, cable, or wired telecom services. Cell coverage is hit or miss. Most of us have satellite dishes, and many still have landlines, but landlines are disappearing because the telephone company service out in the woods, is abysmal. Satellite is not cheap, so to see the government paying for a broadcasting device for the everyday, poor, common folk(1),has me more than a bit suspicious. 

I am sure there is more in it for them, than it is for us.

1. If the government is paying for broadcasting, I guess they choose what to broadcast. That is not healthy. Sure, they choose with our money but that's another story. This does not sound over the edge at all. Matter of fact, it sounds very grounded. With what we have seen from the WEF/UN/Davos crowd the last couple of years, it makes sense they will ramp up the propaganda.