Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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Russel Brand is a comedian/celebrity who is known for his intelligence and now more than ever, his social commentary. I personally don't find him funny as his voice and style is 'grating' and a bit over the top. Having said all that his content regards things like the pandemic has always been spot on and insightful. I listen to his podcasts now and then as he is always up to date on the latest skullduggery and shenanigans from the powers and all those we love to hate. As a person I like him but as a comedian not so much.

(05-03-2022, 11:57 AM)midicon Wrote: Russel Brand is a comedian/celebrity who is known for his intelligence and now more than ever, his social commentary. I personally don't find him funny as his voice and style is 'grating' and a bit over the top. Having said all that his content regards things like the pandemic has always been spot on and insightful. I listen to his podcasts now and then as he is always up to date on the latest skullduggery and shenanigans from the powers and all those we love to hate. As a person I like him but as a comedian not so much.

I had to read your post twice, to make sure I had not written it. You pretty much feel like I feel about Brand.

I find myself in the same boat with Ninurta.

I think we may be is this boat because we "listen" to what anyone has to say. We do not automatically reject or oppose what someone says.

So I don't think it is too very strange that we run across a broke clock displaying the correct time. 

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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My husband and myself are two of his 5.5 Million Subscribers.
We like his attitude and insight on both side of the Political Spectrum.

(05-03-2022, 11:57 AM)midicon Wrote: Russel Brand is a comedian/celebrity who is known for his intelligence and now more than ever, his social commentary. I personally don't find him funny as his voice and style is 'grating' and a bit over the top. Having said all that his content regards things like the pandemic has always been spot on and insightful. I listen to his podcasts now and then as he is always up to date on the latest skullduggery and shenanigans from the powers and all those we love to hate. As a person I like him but as a comedian not so much.

Ditto with what Midicon says, Brand was always in the BBC orbit and his Essex-accent can be off-putting.

(05-03-2022, 05:36 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(05-03-2022, 11:57 AM)midicon Wrote: Russel Brand is a comedian/celebrity who is known for his intelligence and now more than ever, his social commentary. I personally don't find him funny as his voice and style is 'grating' and a bit over the top. Having said all that his content regards things like the pandemic has always been spot on and insightful. I listen to his podcasts now and then as he is always up to date on the latest skullduggery and shenanigans from the powers and all those we love to hate. As a person I like him but as a comedian not so much.

Ditto with what Midicon says, Brand was always in the BBC orbit and his Essex-accent can be off-putting.

Essex, huh? I was wondering about that, because some of the kids I grew up with way over here in the colonial boonies talked a lot like him, substituting "f's" or "v's" for "th's" ("bovah" for "bother", or "fing" for "thing" for example) and what not. It took a bit of getting used to for me when I first moved here. Thing is, none of those kids came from Essex - they were born and bred right here, from generations of other hillbillies who were also born and bred right here in the American Wilderness.

Was Essex perhaps know for some sort of outlawry that might have driven folks from there to here while on the run from The Law, bringing their odd accents with them and passing them on? Because one thing I do know, most of our ancestors out here in the boonies ended up here to escape from Johnny Law because of this or that bit of occasional skullduggery.

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Really makes me wonder, how he is perceived in Hollyweird.

He seems a little young to be lumped in with Clint Eastwood and James Woods  LOL.

But he sure knows how to sum up properly, what is going on.

He's a comedian and actor. He has good wits about him, but I find him hard to listen to. He's good in small doses. Certainly a smart guy, but I don't agree on all points. You know... A person.

(05-03-2022, 11:57 AM)midicon Wrote: Russel Brand is a comedian/celebrity who is known for his intelligence and now more than ever, his social commentary. I personally don't find him funny as his voice and style is 'grating' and a bit over the top. Having said all that his content regards things like the pandemic has always been spot on and insightful. I listen to his podcasts now and then as he is always up to date on the latest skullduggery and shenanigans from the powers and all those we love to hate. As a person I like him but as a comedian not so much.

I agree with you totally. 

He was a comedian who just basically played a drunk. He is smart and he makes common sense most of the time, but not always. 

The remake of Arthur ........  The original was better.

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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If you throw away the fake left/right thing, RB is just a guy doing his own thinking. If you find agreement on an issue, it simply means you are probably thinking too. He is at least open to debate. Kind of refreshing these days.  

He is pointing out what we all see. Or at least some of us see.

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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A guy who used to be a firm lefty.   

The spectrum has fluxuated that much that he is now center right!

Oh, and i feel ya on the Katy Perry sentiment.  Lucky duck that one!

(05-04-2022, 03:52 AM)Jinmi Wrote:

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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A guy who used to be a firm lefty.   

The spectrum has fluxuated that much that he is now center right!

Oh, and i feel ya on the Katy Perry sentiment.  Lucky duck that one!

Explanation: Elon Musk trolled and meme'd it the best recently with this picture he drew ...



@Everybody who is blaming both the left and the right in the form of the democratic and republican parties can go to hell ok.

Here is why ...

Here is MY current personal political test results ...



And here is where I used to be politically after moving far far away from authoritarian communism and the rest ...such as  nazism , fascism, military juntas etc. ...



As you can see I have moved far far to the extreme right wing! ...

Now I haven't fully ended up where I'd like to be ideologically speaking ... I am far more authoritarian, than libertarian, due to believing strong in the following necessary evils ...

Discipline [tempered with Wisdom] = Corporal Punishment [It is BIBLICAL OK! Proverbs 13:24 KJV & Proverbs 23:13-14 KJV

"13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. 14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."]

AND also Justice [tempered with Mercy] = Capital Punishment = 3 STRIKES & You are OUT!!!

[ConservativeCrazyCranky Old Guy] Three Rules of Three and 3 Songs to Save Your Soul.

Quote:Personal Disclosure: I think these are reasonable and fair rules to live by as life is to short to be messing about with repeat offenders.

I also think that by breaking these simply rules invites terrible danger and horrible consequences far worse than being brutal enough to kill and replace somebody who is a repeat offender.

Note: Replacing what you kill is very important as nature abhors a vacuum from which anything can spring [mostly other demons and devils to plague us all].

Now here is a political compass MAP that is highly accurate for a 'meme' ... NOTE: I'm in MAGA country and that suits me fine for now!



And since I have traveled all over that map I KNOW what I am talking about here ... the democratic and republican parties are neither left nor right at all ... they are both centrist AUTHORITARIANS  and don't you forget that ok ... its the horseshoe political theory at play there ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Quote:In political science and popular discourse,[1] the horseshoe theory asserts that the extreme left and the extreme right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble each other, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together.

The theory is attributed to the French philosopher and writer Jean-Pierre Faye.[2] Proponents point to a number of similarities between both extremes, including their propensity to gravitate to authoritarianism or totalitarianism. Several political scientists have criticized the theory.

Oh that horseshoe in the picture is UPSIDE DOWN ok ... its supposed to look like this ... [lets put it upright and mirrored so that it keeps the good luck instead of that running out eh ok!] ...



It has NOTHING TO DO WITH LIBERTARIANISM OK ... NOTHING AT ALL!!!

Real Paleo Conservatives are Libertarians NOT Authoritarians and the republicans are fucking right wing NEO-Cons and war-hawks for fucks sake ... beholden to Big Oil, Big Phama and Big Military Industrial Complex, plus Nazi White Supremacists, and they are therefor idiotic foolish evil assholes who want BIG Federal Government and no wonder nobody really likes them as they are authoritarian jerks who want to lord it over you and tell you what you can and can't do ok ... and the fucking democrats are batshit insane loony liberal progressive left wing nuts for fucks sake ... beholden to racially [aka people of color] profiled LGBQT demographic welfare queens, the KKK and the democratic plantation slaves, plus lazy evil gang-banger ghetto dwellers [there are your missing and absent FATHERS eh? Because the democrats destroyed the christian cultured nuclear family] and Communist Globalist billionaire wankers and their rotten socialist schemes and asinine agenda's and they are therefor idiotic foolish evil assholes who want BIG Federal Government and no wonder nobody really likes them as they are authoritarian jerks who want to lord it over you and tell you what you can and can't do ok!

LOOK where Ron Paul is on the freaking MAP! He is more traditionally conservative than many so called republicans could ever hope to be!

Here is the difference as I see/saw it as far as another roguenation3 thread goes ...

Quote:Liberals want to destroy stuff by widening whats acceptable and denying the past status quo's workability and hence they are all authoritarian progressives who deny reality as it is.

Libertarians dont give a fuck what you do or have done or what you are going to do unless it directly impacts on them and hence they are all paleo-conservatives who accept reality as it is.

Please note the difference ok.

Personal Disclosure: @ Liberals,... there is NO good reasons to change anything that already works ok as to do so would be insanity.

@ Conservatives,... there is NO good reasons to keep doing the same old when it no longer works ok as that would be insanity.

@ Liberals,...  you being upset at what currently and previously has worked, such as necessary evils and leaving people alone to be the best they can be naturally, doesn't help and only causes chaos and is irrational and illogical  and unreasonable ok. Stop it and get some help!

@ Conservatives,... you being upset at what currently no longer works, such as the soap/ballot/jury/ammo boxes of liberty and the nuclear family unit bound by christian values naturally, doesn't help and only causes chaos and is irrational and illogical and unreasonable. Stop it and get some help!

@ Liberals,... your feelz cant hurt me!

@ Conservatives,... I feelz you ok and yes it hurts!

For better or worse Winston Churchill is attributed to saying that if you are not a bleeding heart liberal by the time you are 20yrs old then you have no heart,... BUT if you are not a staunch conservative by the time you are 40yrs old then you have no brains!

MUSICAL INTERLUDE!!! ...




NOW LET ME EXPLAIN THE POLITICAL COMPASS TO Y'ALL OK! ...

1STLY The left and right wing axis is ONLY about 1 freaking fucking thing ... the MONEY and who owns and creates it and there is ONLY two players in that game ...YOU or the State!

I am far right winger so all the money I make, even if I FORGE it, is MY MONEY ok! Please don't tax it too much or I will tax you back in Blood and you wont like that much at all ... at all! [Note: 3 strikes and we can have a WAR ok = Capital Punishment!]

2NDLY The authoritarian and libertarian axis is similarly ONLY about 1 freaking fucking thing ... its about YOU and who owns and rules you and again there is ONLY two players in that game ... YOU or the State!

I am a idealistic libertarian at heart and that means I rule me and you rule you ok! Please DON'T make ME rule over YOU as I am a very bad authoritarian ok and you wont like that much at all ... at all! [Note: 3 strikes and I can and will DISCIPLINE You ok = Corporal Punishment!]

ANYBODY pushing any other EXTRA bullshit agenda when explaining this crap is a propagandist fuckwit agent who needs hunting down, a good solid shoving against a wall and shooting them and then buried in one of the two graves that I have dug ok!

I have made this simple enough that a 5yr old can understand at FACE VALUE what I am trying to communicate to y'all.

Simple but no simpler as Einstein once said! That is the essence of SCIENCE!




Its all about that Tree of Liberty eh ...

Quote: Lets get all our facts straight first ok ...

Quote:“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

― Frank Zappa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Quote:Freedom of speech[2] is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognised as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations. Many countries have constitutional law that protects free speech. Terms like free speech, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression are used interchangeably in political discourse. However, in a legal sense, the freedom of expression includes any activity of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

Must be tempered by ...

Quote:Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others"

Therefor ... Freedom Aint Free



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Quote:Winston Churchill once said that: “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.” His cynicism was perhaps justified after the British people voted him out from his position as Prime Minister within months of winning the Second World War.

Quote:“The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

@ Democrat,  authoritarian, leftist , liberal, progressives... good luck building your pansy assed micky mouse loser country into an economic and political super power lol! Get Woke, Go Broke!!!

Personal Disclosure: I'd rather a MONARCHY, with me as the Emperor of course [and yes I'd wear no clothes as I like to be nude and rude ok] Otherwise I am at WAR! This keeps things really simple for me. Either I am in charge or I have wet-works to accomplish asap!

Now thats outta the way ... to Russel Brand ... Who the hell is he?

Well as far as I can tell myself I see him similar to Musk in Musk's trolling the left meme that I posted far above.

He didn't move much from his political position. It's the left that has moved far far far left and left him now slightly right of center!

However having said that, he is super well trained in being a visible spokesperson for what he see's and how he see's it, as comedians are well known psychological PSYOP's warfare experts!

The internet has given him a world wide ranging voice to share his, slightly now right of center point of view vigorously and shame the leftist liberal progressive authoritarians, and that is a good thing in my books.

I might not see eye to eye on everything he says but I have noted his fame rising amongst those who consider themselves to be my fellow Rogues and I both think and feel that is enough to speak volumes about his honesty and forthrightness when dealing diplomatically with this issue.

For better or worse he is diabolically found himself to be one of us and its turns out he seems angelic to most and yet I caution us all that his smooth silky sounding chutzpah may lead one astray if any of us idolize him too much ok.

He is not your classic savior ok, but he does posses that slippery silvery soft feather tongue that covers his fire and brimstone tones at times.

He is what I'd call a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether leader ...

Quote:A bellwether is a leader or an indicator of trends.[1]
In politics, the term often applies in a metaphorical sense to characterize a geographic region where political tendencies match in microcosm those of a wider area, such that the result of an election in the former region might predict the eventual result in the latter. In economics, a 'bellwether' is a leading indicator of an economic trend.[1][2]
Sociologists apply the term in the active sense to a person or group of people who tend to create, influence, or set trends.

And the trend he is setting is one that goes AWAY from the far far far left and far far far from authoritarian mindsets.

Well done Russel Brand ... keep waking us all up and standing up and speaking out about all these things ... and may the fourth/force be with you!

Good for him and good for us currently eh!

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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I think the reason for your confusion is that, as an American, you identify "opposition to authority" as a right-wing thing.
To me, that is one of the weird things about American politics. On the eastern side of the Atlantic, anyone who is opposed to authority and established power automatically gravitates to the left-wing of the political spectrum. Anarchism is left-wing. Russell Brand's criticism of health authorities would not come across as "right-wing" to anyone in his own country.

(05-04-2022, 09:56 PM)DISRAELI Wrote:

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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I think the reason for your confusion is that, as an American, you identify "opposition to authority" as a right-wing thing.
To me, that is one of the weird things about American politics. On the eastern side of the Atlantic, anyone who is opposed to authority and established power automatically gravitates to the left-wing of the political spectrum. Anarchism is left-wing. Russell Brand's criticism of health authorities would not come across as "right-wing" to anyone in his own country.

Explanation: Uhmmmmm Hang On ... Anarchism is NOT ONLY left wing ... did you not see my post where I posted a picture of the political compass MAP?

Basically, are you BLIND???

Here is is again and please look at it carefully ..everybody across the ENTIRE bottom of the map is an Anarchist of some flavour ok.



I for one aspire to become AnCap ... which is short for Anarcho Capitalists eh? [Bottom Right hand side of the map with the yellow and black flag ok!

There is even a wiki on that topic ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

To be fair I will share a wiki link to the true leftist Anarchist who would be an Anarcho Syndicatist [they'd be Bottom Left hand side of the map and would have a red and black flag similar in design to the AnCaps]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Please NOTE that on the map I provided above is full on centrist Anarchists who are just traditional Anarchists [at the Bottom Center of the map] who see themselves as purists!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Personal Disclosure: ALL Libertarians by default are Anarchists ok! Its not a left wing right wing thing at all and I carefully laid that out for all to see in my post previous to this one so that even a 5yr old could obviously understand it at face value and in plain speech. 

I dont give a hoot where you are from as these basics of politics transcend all things as being COMMON to us all.

You call it Tomahto and I call it Tomayto but regardless of how we call it ... its smartly intelligent to know that its a fruit BUT it is wisdom that knows it doesn't go well in a fruit salad at all ... at ALL!

But thank you for explaining that you British bastards are not collectively savvy when it comes to choosing your politicians or political parties as you have things messed up at the basic level in how you see what is reality.

Now sure I can link Billy Bragg songs [and I will!] and talk about how Baroness Maggie Thatcher the Hatchet Lady who crushed the coal miners in the UK and how that was aweful and fucked with the unions aka the common blue collar worker man etc. BUT that is no reason to paint all right wingers as being authoritarian cunts IMO!




The following video may shed some light on that ...




And so it all boils down to Oligarchies [Authoritarians] or a Republic [Libertarians] and the choice is ours on whatever side we want to reinforce ok.

YES, you did hear/read me correctly ... I am telling you and your fellow compatriots of the UK that you have and are doing it wrong and are hence totally confused and confusing the situation as it really is and stands.

Im a bloody Aussie and I dont confuse this crap and Oz has some seriously badly named mainstream political parties such as the Liberal's who are not actually real liberals at all but instead are FOR business [usually big business] and performing very well on the economic factors ... which ScoMo the Liberal party PM just fully fucked up with his policies that have lead to 5.1% ANNUAL Inflation rate which is way outside the normal 2-3% sweetspot. During a federal election that is NOT a good sign at all for the liberals chances at the voting booths come election day. But hey the leader of the Labour party, Albo, didn't know the current unemployment rate so I have two stupid fuckwits vying for power of my own nation and boy that really sux the mother puss bucket of all times.

No, I dont care that your nation was once an Empire ... those days are long gone and ground into the very dust we walk upon!

This simple ... all Russel Brand has to do is take this simple political compass test at this following website ...

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

That way we would all be able to 1]see where he really stands politically speaking and 2] be assured that we are using a common INDEPENDENT standard that ignores regional differences ok.

However I have little faith that that would actually occur eh?

Russels not reading or watching us at all ... they are reading and watching the elites and the MSM and factually reporting upon them and hence their focus doesnt allow them much time for socializing anonymously upon a far out remote long-tail posting website such as RN3, let alone take up my honest challenge to them. However I am open to being totally wrong on that foot. If my foot ends up in my mouth then I will willing take that epic fail to the grave with me ok. I BET BIG TIME that we will never get a proper answer on that front and so I totally suggest that we settle for whats commonly know about his past actions and compare that against his current actions to get a real clue about who he is and what he stands up for and speaks about.

Things are going to slide and slide in all directions,... wont be nothing left that you can measure anymore, and the center has slid under our feet quite far to the left currently and has disenfranchized all the centrists who are in nomans land and at the center of all the crossfire between all the various extremists from all sides. No wonder he is pissed off eh ... I'd hate to be in that position too ok.

Please feel FREE to shoot me down ok, for I shall become stronger and smarter than anyone can imagine!



If you can reconsider your position and what you said in your post, then that is both reasonable and rational IMO and I'd congratulate you on being able to handle critical self analysis and apply self correcting algorythyms adroitly,... Well Done!!! 

If you can not then I suggest that you sleep on it and try again to comprehend what I am communicating to you ok. As it is very important if you want to get the biggest picture with the highest possible resolution in full light-spectrum color, proper contrast and depth of viewing field etc.

Be Well!

He is a British guy that has an opinion about all kinds of shit. I actually like his YouTube pod casts most of the time he comes recommended if you can past looks like Jesus sounds like piers Morgan (making the mr burns shuddering noise)

(05-05-2022, 05:03 AM)OmegaLogos Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 09:56 PM)DISRAELI Wrote:

(05-03-2022, 07:13 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Being an American, I have not the foggiest notion of what Russell Brand is famous for in the UK. Over here, the only thing I know him from is his marriage to Katy Perry - I was a bit jealous there, y'know?

I'm a Right Winger - so far to the Right that I wrap back around to the left. Just from what little I know of Mr. Brand, I would have never pegged him to be a Right Winger. I was always pretty certain he was a Leftist... yet here we are, in a strange place where I find myself agreeing with him politically more often than not.,

So I'm going to use this thread to post the occasional Russell Brand video from YouTube, so that you can decide whether you may be in this weird place i find myself in, too. It's scary out here!

First up is a video recently posted on the odd transfer of power incident upon the declaration of a pandemic that really didn't seem to be more than a tempest in a teapot...





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I think the reason for your confusion is that, as an American, you identify "opposition to authority" as a right-wing thing.
To me, that is one of the weird things about American politics. On the eastern side of the Atlantic, anyone who is opposed to authority and established power automatically gravitates to the left-wing of the political spectrum. Anarchism is left-wing. Russell Brand's criticism of health authorities would not come across as "right-wing" to anyone in his own country.

Explanation: Uhmmmmm Hang On ... Anarchism is NOT ONLY left wing ... did you not see my post where I posted a picture of the political compass MAP?

Basically, are you BLIND???

Here is is again and please look at it carefully ..everybody across the ENTIRE bottom of the map is an Anarchist of some flavour ok.



I for one aspire to become AnCap ... which is short for Anarcho Capitalists eh? [Bottom Right hand side of the map with the yellow and black flag ok!

There is even a wiki on that topic ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

To be fair I will share a wiki link to the true leftist Anarchist who would be an Anarcho Syndicatist [they'd be Bottom Left hand side of the map and would have a red and black flag similar in design to the AnCaps]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Please NOTE that on the map I provided above is full on centrist Anarchists who are just traditional Anarchists [at the Bottom Center of the map] who see themselves as purists!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Personal Disclosure: ALL Libertarians by default are Anarchists ok! Its not a left wing right wing thing at all and I carefully laid that out for all to see in my post previous to this one so that even a 5yr old could obviously understand it at face value and in plain speech. 

I dont give a hoot where you are from as these basics of politics transcend all things as being COMMON to us all.

You call it Tomahto and I call it Tomayto but regardless of how we call it ... its smartly intelligent to know that its a fruit BUT it is wisdom that knows it doesn't go well in a fruit salad at all ... at ALL!

But thank you for explaining that you British bastards are not collectively savvy when it comes to choosing your politicians or political parties as you have things messed up at the basic level in how you see what is reality.

Now sure I can link Billy Bragg songs [and I will!] and talk about how Baroness Maggie Thatcher the Hatchet Lady who crushed the coal miners in the UK and how that was aweful and fucked with the unions aka the common blue collar worker man etc. BUT that is no reason to paint all right wingers as being authoritarian cunts IMO!




The following video may shed some light on that ...




And so it all boils down to Oligarchies [Authoritarians] or a Republic [Libertarians] and the choice is ours on whatever side we want to reinforce ok.

YES, you did hear/read me correctly ... I am telling you and your fellow compatriots of the UK that you have and are doing it wrong and are hence totally confused and confusing the situation as it really is and stands.

Im a bloody Aussie and I dont confuse this crap and Oz has some seriously badly named mainstream political parties such as the Liberal's who are not actually real liberals at all but instead are FOR business [usually big business] and performing very well on the economic factors ... which ScoMo the Liberal party PM just fully fucked up with his policies that have lead to 5.1% ANNUAL Inflation rate which is way outside the normal 2-3% sweetspot. During a federal election that is NOT a good sign at all for the liberals chances at the voting booths come election day. But hey the leader of the Labour party, Albo, didn't know the current unemployment rate so I have two stupid fuckwits vying for power of my own nation and boy that really sux the mother puss bucket of all times.

No, I dont care that your nation was once an Empire ... those days are long gone and ground into the very dust we walk upon!

This simple ... all Russel Brand has to do is take this simple political compass test at this following website ...

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

That way we would all be able to 1]see where he really stands politically speaking and 2] be assured that we are using a common INDEPENDENT standard that ignores regional differences ok.

However I have little faith that that would actually occur eh?

Russels not reading or watching us at all ... they are reading and watching the elites and the MSM and factually reporting upon them and hence their focus doesnt allow them much time for socializing anonymously upon a far out remote long-tail posting website such as RN3, let alone take up my honest challenge to them. However I am open to being totally wrong on that foot. If my foot ends up in my mouth then I will willing take that epic fail to the grave with me ok. I BET BIG TIME that we will never get a proper answer on that front and so I totally suggest that we settle for whats commonly know about his past actions and compare that against his current actions to get a real clue about who he is and what he stands up for and speaks about.

Things are going to slide and slide in all directions,... wont be nothing left that you can measure anymore, and the center has slid under our feet quite far to the left currently and has disenfranchized all the centrists who are in nomans land and at the center of all the crossfire between all the various extremists from all sides. No wonder he is pissed off eh ... I'd hate to be in that position too ok.

Please feel FREE to shoot me down ok, for I shall become stronger and smarter than anyone can imagine!



If you can reconsider your position and what you said in your post, then that is both reasonable and rational IMO and I'd congratulate you on being able to handle critical self analysis and apply self correcting algorythyms adroitly,... Well Done!!! 

If you can not then I suggest that you sleep on it and try again to comprehend what I am communicating to you ok. As it is very important if you want to get the biggest picture with the highest possible resolution in full light-spectrum color, proper contrast and depth of viewing field etc.

Be Well! You're looking at the theory.

This is the ancient dichotomy between idealism and pragmatism.
In fact it's the dichotomy between Plato and Aristotle.
As a political scientist, you're expounding theory. As an historian, I'm reporting local practice.
You're interested in what people could be, I'm interested in how they think of themselves.
I suggest that the pragmatic approach is successfully explaining the mystery of how a left-wing person like Russell Brand can take up a position which the OP regards as right-wing, which is what I set out to do.

Let me put up a hypothesis. There could be an historical reason why being "agin the government" should be a possible right-wing stance in America and a generally left-wing stance in Europe. I think it comes down to the sheer size and federal structure of the United States. That made it possible for people to make a separation in their minds between local authority, which can provide the "good" things they want from government, and a federal government which they can't identify with locally, and which seems to do nothing for them. The same factors seem to be responsible for making "horse-trading" an integral part of Amercan politics right from the days of Washington ("one cabinet post for this state, another one for that state"). In other words, American politics has a local peculiarity simply because the country is so large and federal.

Now I've just reminded myself that "Brexiteer" politics is considered right-wing., and similar movements on the Continent. In other words, an "agin the government" attitude has been recently created by hositilty to the European Union, which is a federal structure. I think that supports my hypothesis about what had been happening in America.