Life doesn't have much value any more. People seem to have given up on everything, so the only thing that matters is today, this moment.

Wednesday just past, I had to take a class titled Gangs 101. I am glad I took it when I did, because I was very casual and unconcerned when I was caught up in a lock down in a local hospital, after two rival gangs had a shoot out. They had brought in the injured to the same ER, not that that made a difference, it just escalated the problem. 

If I had known then, how danger we were all in, I definitely would not have been so composed. 

It was a great class, but is was just the 101 version. It mainly involved teaching how to recognize them, though the hard core members are usually hard to miss.

The next class will tell us how to stay safe, though they rarely come to the hospital to attack the medical personnel. We just usually get caught in the crossfire.

What amazed me was the growth. The number of gangs in America, if I got it right, is over three thousand. They once was were thought to only operate in cities, but that isn't true anymore. Some find rural areas to provide better refuge. Gangs are becoming a serious problem everywhere.

(01-21-2021, 07:26 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: ...Gangs are becoming a serious problem everywhere.

I hear yer'. If one gets past the filter of the MSM, London is rife with gangs and it seems
the public will just have to endure them.

(01-21-2021, 07:45 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 07:26 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn4 Wrote: ...Gangs are becoming a serious problem everywhere.

I hear yer'. If one gets past the filter of the MSM, London is rife with gangs and it seems
the public will just have to endure them.

My ideas for a solution is not loving or compassionate
 I think if a gang presence appears in a neighborhood, I would think if the residents would make the area completely unprofitable and undesirable, they would move on to another location. 

It may come at cost, but personally I think the lost would be much greater to allow them to get a foothold in your area. 

Just thinking out loud.

When is the UK ever going to implement commonsense hammer control laws?

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(01-21-2021, 07:55 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 07:45 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 07:26 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn4 Wrote: ...Gangs are becoming a serious problem everywhere.

I hear yer'. If one gets past the filter of the MSM, London is rife with gangs and it seems
the public will just have to endure them.

My ideas for a solution is not loving or compassionate
 I think if a gang presence appears in a neighborhood, I would think if the residents would make the area completely unprofitable and undesirable, they would move on to another location. 

It may come at cost, but personally I think the lost would be much greater to allow them to get a foothold in your area. 

Just thinking out loud.

Gangs, gangs everywhere, on any continent or in an city or locality, are a manifestation of the tribalism that is currently infecting humanity. Well, really the same tribalism that has infected us since humanity has existed. Tribalism is in our DNA, and gangs are just the most recent expression of it, the most recent tribal differentiation.

My solution is not loving or compassionate, either, but it seems to differ from yours. I'm not in the least opposed to putting them down like the rabid dogs they are whenever they enter your tribe's territory.

But I guess that may just be me exposing MY tribe, eh?

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(01-21-2021, 07:58 PM)Ninurta Wrote: When is the UK ever going to implement commonsense hammer control laws?

That's a tricky one. the ball peen hammer debate is still in the House of Lords because
of the effect it'll have on cobblers. The claw hammer ruling is still being hammered-out
discussed in the House of Commons where they're prying out all the obstacles in bringing
it into law.

But a pick-axe is fine and apart from a couple of marks in the wall, I've just put up a
nice picture frame with one. (But I still need a liocence!)

(01-21-2021, 08:05 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 07:58 PM)Ninurta Wrote: When is the UK ever going to implement commonsense hammer control laws?

That's a tricky one. the ball peen hammer debate is still in the House of Lords because
of the effect it'll have on cobblers. The claw hammer ruling is still being hammered-out
discussed in the House of Commons where they're prying out all the obstacles in bringing
it into law.

But a pick-axe is fine and apart from a couple of marks in the wall, I've just put up a
nice picture frame with one. (But I still need a liocence!)

But what about checker-faced framing hammers? You know, the "assault rifles" of hammers? Where do they come into the debate? My God, man - it's for the children!

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(01-21-2021, 08:11 PM)Ninurta Wrote: But what about checker-faced framing hammers? You know, the "assault rifles" of hammers?
Where do they come into the debate? My God, man - it's for the children!

They're banned. They're illegal and that rough surface on the head is the reason -said Boris.
I know you can obtain one on the black market... which is -I believe, a trading place in a
safe area of Seattle.

(01-21-2021, 08:17 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 08:11 PM)Ninurta Wrote: But what about checker-faced framing hammers? You know, the "assault rifles" of hammers?
Where do they come into the debate? My God, man - it's for the children!

They're banned. They're illegal and that rough surface on the head is the reason -said Boris.
I know you can obtain one on the black market... which is -I believe, a trading place in a
safe area of Seattle.

Thank God! As the assault weapon of the hammer world, you can empty an entire keg of 16 penny nails with one of those in under a half hour! Weapons of Carpentry have no place on our streets!

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(01-21-2021, 08:38 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Thank God! As the assault weapon of the hammer world, you can empty an entire keg of 16 penny nails
with one of those in under a half hour! Weapons of Carpentry have no place on our streets!

That's why I was happy when they cancelled those radically-extreme television programmes full of
propaganda like... Home Improvement. (I still think Wilson was Bin Laden behind that fence)

(01-21-2021, 08:05 PM)Ninurta Wrote: My solution is not loving or compassionate, either, but it seems to differ from yours. I'm not in the least opposed to putting them down like the rabid dogs they are whenever they enter your tribe's territory.

But I guess that may just be me exposing MY tribe, eh?

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Well, I must have been spending too much time around you, because I was kinda leaning in that direction, when I spoke have making the area undesirable.

My tribalism, if that is what you want to call it, is extremely loose. It seems to include all that I love and care about. It goes well beyond family, and is very strong when it comes to neighbors and friends. Even those ones that I don't like. Just like in my family, I have a few I don't like, but I love them, and would lay my life down for them.

Ask the LEOs and the doctors I work with, they will tell you I am ten times worse than a mother bear with new cubs, when it comes to my patients. So my tribalism spreads a bit farther than it does for most. Nothing noble, it is just the side effects of how I was born and raised.

(01-21-2021, 10:50 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Well, I must have been spending too much time around you, because I was kinda leaning in that direction, when I spoke have making the area undesirable.

My tribalism, if that is what you want to call it, is extremely loose. It seems to include all that I love and care about. It goes well beyond family, and is very strong when it comes to neighbors and friends. Even those ones that I don't like. Just like in my family, I have a few I don't like, but I love them, and would lay my life down for them.

Ask the LEOs and the doctors I work with, they will tell you I am ten times worse than a mother bear with new cubs, when it comes to my patients. So my tribalism spreads a bit farther than it does for most. Nothing noble, it is just the side effects of how I was born and raised.

I've ruined many a good woman and caused them to go bad like that! 


But seriously, tribalism cleaves along different lines. They are not all racial or even cultural, and you have already drawn yours - your tribe does not include gangsters, apparently, and I don't see that as a BAD thing at all!

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And another one that looks gang-related.

Quote:Handsworth murder probe: Boy dies after street attack

'A 15-year-old boy has died after being attacked in a residential street by a group of youths "armed with knives".
Police said he was "set upon" at about 15:30 GMT on Thursday on Linwood Road, in Handsworth, Birmingham,
and died from his injuries in hospital.


Police texting in Birmingham.

The attackers fled in a car which crashed into a house a short distance away, added police, who say they have
since seized the vehicle. A 14-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder and is in custody.

The investigation is progressing "at pace", according to the West Midlands force, which detained the suspect on
Friday morning. Witnesses who reported the carrying of knives to officers also said shots were heard.

"The family of the boy has had the worst shock imaginable today and we have specialist officers with them in their
time of grief," said Det Ch Insp Alastair Orencas, who is leading the murder inquiry.

"This level of violence in broad daylight on a residential street is inconceivable, let alone the fact the target was a
15-year-old boy. "We are leaving no stone unturned in our search for those responsible and I ask anyone who knows
who [the attackers] are to contact us."

Meanwhile, detectives are examining a white car they believe to be the getaway vehicle which crashed into a house on
Wheeler Street. Police said the victim lived locally. They have not disclosed the nature of his injuries and say that before
a post-mortem examination takes place, they are unable to say how he died.
CCTV footage has been seized and the area is cordoned off while investigations continue...'

BBC:

Oh those halcyon days!! A perfect explanation of what the BBC is and how it should be treated.
Alf Garnett's wife's words have a thread of wisdom in them too!

(01-22-2021, 11:17 AM)BIAD Wrote: And another one that looks gang-related.

Quote:Handsworth murder probe: Boy dies after street attack

'A 15-year-old boy has died after being attacked in a residential street by a group of youths "armed with knives".
Police said he was "set upon" at about 15:30 GMT on Thursday on Linwood Road, in Handsworth, Birmingham,
and died from his injuries in hospital.


Police texting in Birmingham.

The attackers fled in a car which crashed into a house a short distance away, added police, who say they have
since seized the vehicle. A 14-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder and is in custody.

The investigation is progressing "at pace", according to the West Midlands force, which detained the suspect on
Friday morning. Witnesses who reported the carrying of knives to officers also said shots were heard.

"The family of the boy has had the worst shock imaginable today and we have specialist officers with them in their
time of grief," said Det Ch Insp Alastair Orencas, who is leading the murder inquiry.

"This level of violence in broad daylight on a residential street is inconceivable, let alone the fact the target was a
15-year-old boy. "We are leaving no stone unturned in our search for those responsible and I ask anyone who knows
who [the attackers] are to contact us."

Meanwhile, detectives are examining a white car they believe to be the getaway vehicle which crashed into a house on
Wheeler Street. Police said the victim lived locally. They have not disclosed the nature of his injuries and say that before
a post-mortem examination takes place, they are unable to say how he died.
CCTV footage has been seized and the area is cordoned off while investigations continue...'

BBC:

First getting raped or acid thrown on you was seen as "culture enrichment", now it seems getting stabbed and shot to death is to be added to the enrichment.
The police seem to be spending there time looking at the underside of stones (leaving no stone unturned) so they dont have to look at the truth and who are doing the rape and killings

(01-23-2021, 05:11 PM)Wallfire Wrote: First getting raped or acid thrown on you was seen as "culture enrichment", now it seems getting stabbed
and shot to death is to be added to the enrichment.
The police seem to be spending there time looking at the underside of stones (leaving no stone unturned)
so they dont have to look at the truth and who are doing the rape and killings

I fail to see how a positive outcome will result from the UK's Police ignoring the cause of the violence.
If the spectacles of identity-politics could be lifted in many of these areas of gang-related terror,
the problem could be severely cut.

But that would mean law enforcement facing the reality of what 'multiculturalism' truly is.

(01-23-2021, 05:27 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(01-23-2021, 05:11 PM)Wallfire Wrote: First getting raped or acid thrown on you was seen as "culture enrichment", now it seems getting stabbed
and shot to death is to be added to the enrichment.
The police seem to be spending there time looking at the underside of stones (leaving no stone unturned)
so they dont have to look at the truth and who are doing the rape and killings

I fail to see how a positive outcome will result from the UK's Police ignoring the cause of the violence.
If the spectacles of identity-politics could be lifted in many of these areas of gang-related terror,
the problem could be severely cut.

But that would mean law enforcement facing the reality of what 'multiculturalism' truly is.

Are the elites of Britain under any threat?  At all?

(01-23-2021, 08:18 PM)Snarl Wrote: Are the elites of Britain under any threat?  At all?

It's a difficult question to answer because of the manner of social-control being under-minded by the
deliberate ignorance of the masses regarding the pandemic. There's a doubt -just a faint one, that
their work through the media hasn't just not worked in this particular instance and could be a muffled
call that the same public are not listening.

But how?
Their initial reality was that nobody believes the mainstream media anymore, but I believe it's now
dawning on the high Elites that the deliberate obliviousness of the public to the warnings spoken from
up on high is largely due to technology, namely the internet.

Cell-phones have become indispensable and so has social media. Television companies and news
outlets rely on it today because of the cross-chatter to sculpt narratives. You'll notice how narrow views,
dumb-down discourse and straw opinions are regularly trotted out on MSM and on ratings-yearning
YouTube political discussion sites,

In many of these political forums, the people who are discussing such topics are unaware that these
very issues are generated from the media as investments for further conversation. Sowing the seeds
for further crops, if you will.

Of course, the data-mining of peoples' privacy is standard and yet, to lead a society in a manner that
will keep the public's attention on 'the small things' in politics like basic human failings and distinguishable
attributes of people from all walks of life, it's been believed for a long time that to be a leader is to know
what your followers want.

The political use if the internet assures that what the public thinks it wants, in actuality, is what the Elites
want. Before the internet, this calculated manipulation was solely in the hands of the physical media.

The older folk on this website may recall the placid perception of television, the days when the majority
of the public looked to -what they thought were dependable news like Cronkite and Ed Murrow. In their
very living rooms, these average-looking guys invaded the public's privacy and steered peoples opinions
with information carved to suit the transmitter and the receiver.

You know the usual guff, women and children shown to play on emotions, a 'Man-Bites-Dog' story at
the end of a news presentation to offer that their world isn't a bad place and sprinkled throughout the
articles is that someone is in charge, someone is watching whilst you sleep and they know better.
Why do you think these one-dimensional mouth-pieces get paid so much?!

But the internet didn't lure away the generations that should be stuck in front of their televisions or reading
the newspaper over the breakfast table, it was just there during their growing-up. Young individuals talking
across telephone lines and typing their opinions on subjects of mild interest, found an affinity with those they
corresponded with and discovered they had other compatibilities.
But young people become adults.

But for a long time, the mainstream media smiled at this strange conduit and any message of vague-doubt
was never heard and certainly never reached the ears of the ruling classes. It was business as usual, any
questions that a public needed to be asked were always modelled to make sure the answer was what the
second estate required, and the increasing amount of opposing-discourse remained mere twaddle of
undeveloped minds.

Then came Brexit and then came Trump.
For the UK establishment, the sea-change was believed to be manageable and with the right words of fear
and aloof rhetoric, the dozy peasants would believe that a mistake had been made and that they'd just put
their children's future in jeopardy.

Young people were trotted out on the screen and with a certain manicured accent, they explained their
concerns of leaving the loving-arms of the European Union. The only problem was that their examples of
woe involved what most of the working-class couldn't afford and these affluent references were already
known by the same less-fortunate strata of society via their interactions on the internet!

It was the cell-phones that had given the proletariat access to a world where their own position in society
was measured by someone else and they didn't like it. Once the direct question was asked of the public
(and I still believe that explicit 'In-Or-Out' appeal came from the Royalty), the dye was cast and the United
Kingdom left the EU.

The establishment media has shown it's true colours and decided rather than take over these internet talk
-arenas, they demand these forums to be closed down. They cannot afford to unnaturally evolve as it would
imply uncertainty that anything that came before a change was unshakable.

They also know that they cannot infiltrate all these conversation groups because if they error, break cover
and it is seen, then whole game is exposed and any residue of ambiguity will be blown away forever.

That's why we currently use expressions like 'IMHO' because the evidence is sparse of such a scheme to
prove such a studious design. The corroboration isn't there like there was a clandestine meeting of all the
media companies around the world, the public don't need some 'movie-style' proof that such Machiavellian
agreements were made, the very behaviour of the Journalists is enough evidence that something is wrong.

Nobody wrote or said anything nice about Donald Trump. All the major UK broadcasters and newspapers
habitually used the expression "in spite of Brexit" when reporting something negative on the dissolution of
the EU/UK affiliation.
It seems that they too, never wrote or said anything nice about a choice from a majority who could also be
customers.
Strange no?

I suppose the real question to answer first is who are the true Elites of the UK and if they have such power
to control society, did they fail miserably? To intrigue ourselves with that, we'd need to start with the East
India Trading Company.

(01-23-2021, 11:21 PM)BIAD Wrote: The establishment media has shown it's true colours and decided rather than take over these internet talk
-arenas, they demand these forums to be closed down. They cannot afford to unnaturally evolve as it would
imply uncertainty that anything that came before a change was unshakable.

They also know that they cannot infiltrate all these conversation groups because if they error, break cover
and it is seen, then whole game is exposed and any residue of ambiguity will be blown away forever.

Elsewhere on this site, I have made mention a couple of times of a tactic US Rangers are trained in called a "pull-apart ambush". The textbook example is of a column of troops progressing down a road, when a smaller element of guerrillas open fire on them. Tactical training is to assault into ambushes, so the troops assault in the direction of the fire element firing on them, confident that their superior numbers and ability to mass force on that point will win the day for them.

As soon as they are committed to the assault, another, previously hidden, element opens fire on them from another direction, typically the rear, but sometimes a flank. Now they have a choice to make - either split up to assault both positions, or take the casualties delivered by the new actors.

As soon as they reorganize and commit to one of those actions, a third group opens fire on them from yet another direction. Wash, rinse, repeat. This keeps going on until the troop column is pulled apart and decimated, hence the name of the type of ambush. I've seen them sprung with  as many as 8 small ambush elements which destroyed a much larger force by pulling it apart and dealing with each smaller subdivision individually. The tactic prevents your opponent from concentrating overwhelming force on a point target (meaning YOU).

I mention this here because something similar may be factoring in to the big tech giants preventing smaller sites with actual free speech from getting traction. They don't want to get "pulled apart" and decimated. They have a finite supply of what have come to be called "influencers", and having to spread them across a plurality of platforms necessarily would thin them out "on the ground". Similarly, their loss of membership to these smaller platforms is alarming to them. It gives them less personal data to sell, and fewer clicks to monetize. It hurts their bottom line.

So, instead of catering to the customer wishes, which would necessarily water down the slavery-based product they are pushing and allow for free exchange of ideas, they go all totalitarian on the customers by area denial operations, denying a refuge area to them in order to force them back onto the platform where the indoctrination can continue. Otherwise, their customers would have gotten "off the reservation", and out into the wider world with those troublesome notions of freedom. The Freedom Virus might get out of the lab and start infecting more people, with disastrous results to the Oligarchs.

They cannot have that, so they must keep us corralled, within their fences, so that they can concentrate the "influencers" in the proper density, and for that they must keep us contained, not "out there" where their troops can be pulled apart and dealt with.

One think I have learned over time is that it is very difficult to contain a guerrilla movement when the guerrillas simply refuse to be contained and corralled. You have to get out in the weeds and find them, and kill or capture them, and that can be a very dangerous business if they insist on not being captured.

In his "Book of Five Rings", Miyamoto Musashi said "from one thing, know 10,000 things", Note that he said "know" them, not "learn" them. You already learned them when you learned the first thing that led to the new applications. When you learn something, look around yourself to see where else it may be applied.

Quote:I suppose the real question to answer first is who are the true Elites of the UK and if they have such power
to control society, did they fail miserably? To intrigue ourselves with that, we'd need to start with the East
India Trading Company.

Odd you should mention that. There was a short-lived TV series called "Taboo" wherein the protagonist (if you've ever seen it, you'll know why he can't really be called "the hero") goes to war with the British East India Company after they stab him in the back and leave him for dead. Whether he "wins" that showdown is a matter of personal interpretation, but it's undeniable that he leaves a permanent mark on them such that they knew he'd been there!

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(01-24-2021, 12:59 AM)Ninurta Wrote: ...As soon as they reorganize and commit to one of those actions, a third group opens fire on them from yet another direction.
Wash, rinse, repeat. This keeps going on until the troop column is pulled apart and decimated, hence the name of the type of
ambush...

I agree and converting such a tactic into appropriate wording for this conversation, such an action doesn't necessarily have to
be coordinated. To retain control, the already-corralled public will naturally enquire of their situation with diverse questions that
answers must -at all times, adhere to the established theme.

If in the case of a virus containment, a vaccine is displayed as a 'cure' to the public's confinement, the reasons that such a cure
is slow to release the public from their homes or free them from the fear of the plague-flu, must be consistent. It is here where
your analogy of separate 'guerrilla' attacks are compatible with the varied questions.

If the answer to the citizenries concerns is just regulations and laws, these instruction must align and keep the idea that deep
thought came first before the need for control. To fail with such a narrative, brings doubt and suspicion that those who are
chosen to lead the public, may not have our best interests at heart.

I believe that is where we're at right now. The 'Church-Elders' of Science are not singing from the same song-sheet and the
politicians -certainly in the UK, constantly shift their position due to the ministerial competitive advantages that can be captured
during a confusing time.
To me, that says that the core theme isn't as dangerous as proclaimed by the media.

But due to -as you put it, the "pull-apart ambush" that is individually dividing the filtered ratings-needed narrative from the media,
the sincerity of the directives from Government falls into the collective mistrust that the majority of the public already have for those
who are supposed to lead us. Such a divisive act of the populace isn't organised, it's built on common sense and the need to be
free.

The fine-line is close to where doubt drives us to decide and then those who seek to keep us confined will have to confront a
biased population with something that is terrifying to any controller, will-power.

Personally, I believe that with the recent closure of websites and conversation forums, that 'troop column' realise they are forcing
such 'guerrilla-style' warfare by reacting so robustly. It's obvious that if you're imprisoned due to someone else's beliefs and a
voice is heard that agrees that you should be free, no matter how rational the Prison-Warden's reasons are, that concurring voice
will overcome the controlling narrative.
And because of the many doubting-Thomas that have stepped forward, the controllers now know that you know!

Again, I agree with you that whoever wishes the world to be confined to their homes failed to see the strata of nuance when
forcing another to obey. Diluting strict advice shows mercy and understanding, ignoring such concerns displays fanaticism.
Such zealotry stems from an emotive need to control and from that eagerness to dominate, the tells of a poor poker-player
become obvious.

Quote:...In his "Book of Five Rings", Miyamoto Musashi said "from one thing, know 10,000 things", Note that he said "know" them,
not "learn" them. You already learned them when you learned the first thing that led to the new applications.
When you learn something, look around yourself to see where else it may be applied...

And with that knowing, the will-power can support decision... decisions that may oppose those we originally trusted.
It's quite exhilarating to know the truth, almost as scary as discovering you were correct all along!
.................................

I'm all for free-speech, but when this is all over, the media must be told, that if they wish to write flamboyant spine-chilling
articles on health, they must publish under the pseudonym 'Enid Blyton' or 'Laura Ingalls Wilder'!
Their malicious gambits to acquire customers are transparent and we can see them sweating.

Donald was right... they aren't sending their best!