Quote:Diseased Streets.



'The NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of downtown San Francisco in search of trash,
needles, and feces. The investigation revealed trash littered across every block.
The survey also found 41 blocks dotted with needles and 96 blocks sullied with piles of feces.

How dirty is San Francisco? An NBC Bay Area Investigation reveals a dangerous mix of drug needles, garbage,
and feces throughout downtown San Francisco.
The Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of the city – the more than 20-mile stretch includes popular tourist spots
like Union Square and major hotel chains. The area – bordered by Van Ness Avenue, Market Street, Post Street
and Grant Avenue – is also home to City Hall, schools, playgrounds, and a police station.

As the Investigative Unit photographed nearly a dozen hypodermic needles scattered across one block, a group
of preschool students happened to walk by on their way to an afternoon field trip to citiy hall.

“We see poop, we see pee, we see needles, and we see trash,” said teacher Adelita Orellana.
“Sometimes they ask what is it, and that’s a conversation that’s a little difficult to have with a 2-year old, but we just
let them know that those things are full of germs, that they are dangerous, and they should never be touched.”

In light of the dangerous conditions, part of Orellana’s responsibilities now include teaching young children how
to avoid the contamination. “The floor is dirty,” said A’Nylah Reed, a 3-year-old student at the preschool, who irately
explained having to navigate dirty conditions on her walks to school.

“There is poop in there,” she exclaimed. “That makes me angry.”
Kim Davenport, A’nyla’s mother, often walks her daughter to the Compass preschool on Leavenworth Street in San
Francisco. She said she often has to pull her daughter out of the way in order to keep her from stepping on needles
and human waste. “I just had to do that this morning!”

The Investigate Unit spent three days assessing conditions on the streets of downtown San Francisco and discovered
trash on each of the 153 blocks surveyed. While some streets were littered with items as small as a candy wrapper,
the vast majority of trash found included large heaps of garbage, food, and discarded junk.
The investigation also found 100 drug needles and more than 300 piles of feces throughout downtown.

“If you do get stuck with these disposed needles you can get HIV, Hepatitis C, Hepatitis B, and a variety of other viral
diseases,” said Dr. Lee Riley, an infectious disease expert at University of California, Berkeley.

He warned that once fecal matter dries, it can become airborne, releasing potentially dangerous viruses, such as
the rotavirus. “If you happen to inhale that, it can also go into your intestine,” he said.
The results can prove fatal, especially in children.

'We Aren’t Addressing the Root Cause'
“Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable,” said Supervisor Hillary Ronen. “We're losing tourists.
We're losing conventions in San Francisco. All of this is happening because we aren't addressing the root cause,
which is we need more temporary beds for street homelessness.”


Supervisor Hillary Ronen.

Ronen believes San Francisco has been too focused on permanent housing for the homeless and that the city has
neglected to provide enough temporary shelter, which can provide the homeless a respite from the streets.
The city currently has about 2,000 temporary beds. Ronen, however, believes an additional 1,000 are needed,
at a cost of about $25 million.

“We need to find a source of revenue,” said Ronen. “Whether that's putting something on the ballot to raise business
taxes or taking a look at our general fund and re-allocating money towards that purpose and taking it away from
something else in the city.”

Riley has researched conditions across the poorest slums of the world.
His book titled, “Slum Health,” examines health problems that are created by extreme poverty.

San Francisco Spends $30 Million Cleaning Feces, Drug Needles
Until the problem is fixed, Mohammed Nuru, the Director of the Public Works Department, is charged with the
towering task of cleaning the streets, over and over again. “Yes, we can clean, he said, “and then go back a
few hours later, and it looks as if it was never cleaned. So is that how you want to spend your money?”


Mohammed Nuru, Director of San Francisco Public Works.

The 2016-2017 budget for San Francisco Public Works includes $60.1 million for “Street Environmental Services.”
The budget has nearly doubled over the past five years. Originally, that money, was intended to clean streets,
not sidewalks.

According to city ordinances, sidewalks are the responsibility of property owners. However, due to the severity of
the contamination in San Francisco, Public Works has inherited the problem of washing sidewalks.
Nuru estimates that half of his street cleaning budget – about $30 million – goes towards cleaning up feces and
needles from homeless encampments and sidewalks.

'Human Tragedy' in San Francisco
A single pile of human waste, said Nuru, takes at least 30 minutes for one of his staffers to clean.
“The steamer has to come. He has to park the steamer. He's got to come out with his steamer, disinfect,
steam clean, roll up and go.”

Asked if he’d be willing to give up part of his budget and allocate it to more directly addressing the homeless
problem – which would likely alleviate his cleaning problem – Nuru said, “The Board of Supervisors, the mayor
–those are decisions that they need to make." 
He added, “I want to continue cleaning and I want to be able to continue to provide services.
The Public Works Department provides services seven days a week, 24 hours a day.”

Ronen acknowledges that finding the money to provide 1,000 additional beds for the homeless may very well
take years. The city is planning on opening three new Navigation Centers for homeless people by the summer,
but two centers will also be closing.

“We're not going to make a huge dent in this problem unless we deal with some underlying major social problems
and issues,” she said. “There's a human tragedy happening in San Francisco.”...'

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Build a wall around it...?

Just use those SSP earthquake weapons and let it drop off into the ocean.   Lot's of problems solved.  

Here's my question. .. is it really that bad? Or is this a means to frighten the public into voting to raise already exorbitant taxes even higher? 

I don't know. . But I honestly cannot imagine that with the taxes those people pay they cant keep piles of drug needles and poop off the sidewalks. .. 

I agree they have a homeless problem, warm weather climates are more prone to collecting the homeless, but at the same time can it really be that bad?

I just think there could very well be an ulterior motive to this article. I've lived in areas of large cities in areas where there are lots of homeless, and never seen what was described in this article. They described a third world country.. not a city in America .

Just a question in my mind about that..

(02-20-2018, 06:49 AM)Grace Wrote: Here's my question. .. is it really that bad? Or is this a means to frighten the public into voting to raise already exorbitant taxes even higher? 

I don't know. . But I honestly cannot imagine that with the taxes those people pay they cant keep piles of drug needles and poop off the sidewalks. .. 

I agree they have a homeless problem, warm weather climates are more prone to collecting the homeless, but at the same time can it really be that bad?

I just think there could very well be an ulterior motive to this article. I've lived in areas of large cities in areas where there are lots of homeless, and never seen what was described in this article. They described a third world country.. not a city in America .

Just a question in my mind about that..

It could be -as you suggested Grace, a 'off-tangent' article to slowly bring the State's residence around
to seeing where taxes go and how they need increasing. It could well be.

I'm surprised that if it's a straight-forward report on the conditions of San Francisco's streets, it's a blot on
the immigrant narrative and the lib-journos didn't realise.

It sends a bad message for tourism considering this article is on the internet.

(02-20-2018, 06:49 AM)Grace Wrote: Here's my question. .. is it really that bad? Or is this a means to frighten the public into voting to raise already exorbitant taxes even higher? 

I don't know. . But I honestly cannot imagine that with the taxes those people pay they cant keep piles of drug needles and poop off the sidewalks. .. 

I agree they have a homeless problem, warm weather climates are more prone to collecting the homeless, but at the same time can it really be that bad?

I just think there could very well be an ulterior motive to this article. I've lived in areas of large cities in areas where there are lots of homeless, and never seen what was described in this article. They described a third world country.. not a city in America .

Just a question in my mind about that..

Im with Grace on this one, it just seems like they want something, but dont be so sure there are not third world city's in the U.S.
Look at London, its very much a third world city, Christian morals removed and Islamic morals installed, end result a "shit hole country or city"

(02-20-2018, 12:08 PM)Wallfire Wrote: ..Look at London, its very much a third world city, Christian morals removed and Islamic morals installed,
end result a "shit hole country or city"

Another stabbing yesterday, too.

I guess they are doing sometime about the problem,,,,,

They are watching them pee and poop.

And Washing the Streets into the Drainage System.
 
Other pictures here: Link

(02-20-2018, 01:59 PM)guohua Wrote: I guess they are doing sometime about the problem,,,,,

They are watching them pee and poop.

And Washing the Streets into the Drainage System.
 
Other pictures here: Link

The streets of the lost, or the streets of the found ? Whats the answer?, most people are thinking it but no one will say it.

(02-20-2018, 02:16 PM)Wallfire Wrote: The streets of the lost, or the streets of the found ? Whats the answer?, most people are thinking it but no one will say it.

In my humble opinion, a hose large enough to move the problem back over the border would solve this.
It's degenerate acts like above that will enfuse itself into the Californian working-class.

(02-20-2018, 12:03 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(02-20-2018, 06:49 AM)Grace Wrote: Here's my question. .. is it really that bad? Or is this a means to frighten the public into voting to raise already exorbitant taxes even higher? 

I don't know. . But I honestly cannot imagine that with the taxes those people pay they cant keep piles of drug needles and poop off the sidewalks. .. 

I agree they have a homeless problem, warm weather climates are more prone to collecting the homeless, but at the same time can it really be that bad?

I just think there could very well be an ulterior motive to this article. I've lived in areas of large cities in areas where there are lots of homeless, and never seen what was described in this article. They described a third world country.. not a city in America .

Just a question in my mind about that..

It could be -as you suggested Grace, a 'off-tangent' article to slowly bring the State's residence around
to seeing where taxes go and how they need increasing. It could well be.

I'm surprised that if it's a straight-forward report on the conditions of San Francisco's streets, it's a blot on
the immigrant narrative and the lib-journos didn't realise.

It sends a bad message for tourism considering this article is on the internet.

Well yes, it may as well be a travel advisory... they are warning you that you will be unable to walk down the streets of tourist areas without risking death due to an overabundance of HIV infested drug needles and feces that is nigh on impossible not to accidentally step on or inhale. 

Couldn't have a bigger "don't visit" sign on their door.. 

But your right - what on earth were they thinking putting out a travel advisory and how exactly did they expect the rest of the country to react? 

Thing is, if it's really at third world country level, then throwing money won't help.. what would be most helpful would be to find out, then deal with the root causes. 

I think they need to find out why homelessness has risen to that level in that area. 

Is it economic? Were these people once employed and now find themselves without employment on a large scale?  Has manufacturing dropped severely in that area and become the root cause?

Are many of these people employed and simply not making enough to afford housing? 

The cost of living in California has always been two to three times what the cost of living is in the rest of the country. Back in the 80's however, the pay compensated for that, you could make two to three times the pay there as compared to wages in other states.. So in reality it was about even back in the day. 

Has this pay verses cost of living become unequal? Has the cost of living risen much faster in the last decade than wages, making it difficult for even the working to keep a roof?

How many illegals are contributing to the homeless problem? 

How bad is the drug problem there, and is the drug problem contributing to homelessness on a large scale?

There are many things that could be found out, and the root causes attacked and dealt with, which would be far more helpful in the long run than trying to afford free housing for all the homeless without even an attempt to fix the root cause.

I vote to simply open a hunting season on "squatters".

Ok, so my vote doesn't count at all in California (and I'm damned glad it doesn't, to be honest), but a hunting season would thin out the herd a little bit, and drive the rest off to greener pastures. If everyone opened the same season, it might even drive them all the way back across the border!

The root cause will not be fixed in our lifetimes, no matter how hard we glare at it. The root cause is a simple one - Kalifornia Kommunism. No need to go any deeper than that - it's the whole, entire cause. Communism promotes poverty, despair, and widespread low wage living conditions at high prices. Every damned time they try it... even in California.

Makes no never mind to me - denizens of Kommiefornia get just what they deserve. If they want to wade through crap and diseased needles to get to their Worker's Paradise, let 'em. I don't plan on going there to visit - ever - so it isn't my problem to fix. Let Californians fix California... if they can!

Weren't they going to secede from America when Trump won, anyhow? What the hell are they waiting on?

P.S. to Grace - the "free" housing for the homeless is PART of the root cause, definitely not the solution to it!

P.P.S to everyone in general - the figures mentioned in the OP for the homeless beds - 1000 more @ 25 million - comes out to $25,000 per bed. Damn! They sure do treat their homeless folk good in California! I won't pay that much for a CAR! No damned wonder they can't drive 'em out!


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(02-21-2018, 07:30 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I vote to simply open a hunting season on "squatters"...

We don't do that anymore, they outlawed it and you were told not to do it again, remember?

It's 2018 and clearing refuse is done a more civilised manner than just pulling a trigger and wondering
how long you can keep a body in the air with rapid fire.

Gone are the days of what's-yours-is-yours, we're diverse and want a world where flowers grow and
the sun shines on our smiles. There are no enemies any more and we -the Eloi, believe the Morlocks
have all gone.

The assistance of those who prefer to crap in the street and leave their junkie apparatus laying round
involves logistics that are far-more complicated than just strapping that gun of yours to a gate-post
and wondering where to situate the large sack of nails you use as ammunition.

It's not the Trudeau way.