(12-19-2017, 05:49 AM)dadmansabode Wrote: "Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?" " .......... indeed the book is not done

But I also said:

Quote:Unless you're looking at it wrong, that is...

Quiz question - guess who ELSE was looking for signs?


Keep looking for your new Jewish temple in Jerusalem. I'll be busy looking to God. I bet I see mine first.

To each his own. It does irk me a bit for folks to use the Bible as a divination tool, but I'm not dumb enough to think I can dissuade them from doing what their minds are set to, any more than Jesus would promise them in his day the signs THEY were looking for. It's the same now as it was then - folks too busy looking for their signs miss the real miracles entirely. It wasn't Jesus' job to force their thinking around, and it certainly isn't mine, either. That's why I gave my blessing for you to keep looking for your new Jewish temple - it's the sign you will seek, and never find.

Peace to you.

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(12-19-2017, 06:28 AM)guohua Wrote:

(12-19-2017, 05:49 AM)dadmansabode Wrote: "Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?" " .......... indeed the book is not done

You really don't believe the above do you?

I think he believes it, Guohua, but doesn't understand it. That, too, has already happened, and was missed by those looking to keep the prophecy alive long beyond it's time.

There is a reason that Jesus spoke in parables and riddles, and there is a reason he didn't keep explaining things to people who didn't really want to hear them - people who wanted to hear something else instead - i.e. "Jesus then left them and went away" as I quoted above.

Once a prophecy happens, no one needs to keep looking for it to keep on happening, but there are those who will never figure it out, busy as they are looking for it to happen again and again, and ignoring that it has already passed.

The Jews are still looking for their Messiah, to this day, as a case in point. The Jews of Jesus' day kept looking for the "signs" that he plainly told them were never coming, and got steamrolled for their trouble in 70 AD. Where was their Messiah then? They had already missed the boat, looking for a fancier one to come along. They evidently didn't like the one they'd already been given.

Some folks are so busy looking for a Burning Bush that they entirely miss the miracles that happen around them every day. Those folks will entirely miss the voice of God when it speaks, because it didn't come out of a burning bush... or a test tube... or a text book - depending on where it is they are looking for God and expecting to find It.


And so it is with the so-called "Third" Temple.

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Nevermind.

No Peace Possible Without Third Temple in Jerusalem .. It really doesn’t matter what the world thinks of the Jewish and Israeli rights to Jerusalem. 
The last and possibly only time Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem was after King Solomon built the very first Holy Temple. 
And maybe only when we build the Third Temple will we again get the acceptance that will bring the Moshiach.

event The building and commencement of a new Jewish Temple 



and the man of lawlessness is revealed .. the son of destruction .. 
who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship .. 
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God .. displaying himself as being God

(12-20-2017, 05:42 PM)dadmansabode Wrote: No Peace Possible Without Third Temple in Jerusalem

If we may take history as a guide, no peace is possible WITH a Third temple, either. Two have been built before, and both were destroyed in decidedly UNpeaceful ways... and they didn't have the Muslims to contend with back then.

Quote:The last and possibly only time Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem was after King Solomon built the very first Holy Temple. 
And maybe only when we build the Third Temple will we again get the acceptance that will bring the Moshiach.

The building and commencement of a new Jewish Temple



and the man of lawlessness is revealed .. the son of destruction
who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship .. so that he takes his seat in the temple of God .. displaying himself as being God

Ha Moshiach has already come. No temple, and no number of temples, is going to change that. A little recognition might, though.

Quote:MOD NOTE FROM NINURTA:

BTW - I'm going to start removing links back to your own blog when you post them if you have no self control. Link to independent sources, or don't link at all. All this self promotion is starting to make folks' teeth itch. This is the last self-link that will stand. Guohua already mentioned that, I believe, but I'll double check to make sure.

CLARIFICATION - the link question, and how they are being used, is still up in the air at the moment, so my action in the matter is on hold. A link in your signature is not a problem. Links in the body of a post are what I am questioning, but for now I'll not do anything at all about them and leave them standing. I may be in the wrong here. If I am, you can expect a public apology. Stay tuned.

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(12-20-2017, 05:42 PM)dadmansabode Wrote: And maybe only when we build the Third Temple will we again get the acceptance that will bring the Moshiach.

Hello. With all your quoting of the new testament I had assumed, incorrectly, that you were Christian. 

Your not understanding the words of the new testament, and are misquoting it to extremes. 

If you like, we can help you to understand it...

We believe the Messiah has already come, and He offers Jews and Gentiles alike a path to salvation, a path no animal sacrifice can accomplish. The third temple you seek already exists, according to faith in Christ.

Basically, My husband studied the New Testament when he was called upon to become a Pastor after their Pastor interpitted what his Mother had said one Sunday night when she was Filled With The Spirit of The Holy Ghost and Speaking in Tongues.   He was 12 years old and Mr. G. said it Scared The Holy Shit Out Of Him when he was asked to stand in Church.
He thought he'd been caught kissing the Preachers Daughter, again.

He doesn't believe and has not been convinced that Prophesies that are more than 2000 years old are reliable.
Just His Humble Opinion.

(12-21-2017, 04:00 AM)guohua Wrote: Basically, My husband studied the New Testament when he was called upon to become a Pastor after their Pastor interpitted what his Mother had said one Sunday night when she was Filled With The Spirit of The Holy Ghost and Speaking in Tongues.   He was 12 years old and Mr. G. said it Scared The Holy Shit Out Of Him when he was asked to stand in Church.
He thought he'd been caught kissing the Preachers Daughter, again.

He doesn't believe and has not been convinced that Prophesies that are more than 2000 years old are reliable.
Just His Humble Opinion.

I'm impressed he got that far. Just speaking in tongues is enough to freak me out. When I was in high school, my last year, and again when I was at a community college a couple of years later, I worked as a radio DJ. one of my duties was to come in on Sunday morning (because no one else wanted to) and run the religious programming. We had live preachers who ran half hour shows all morning long from about 9 am up to 12 noon or 1 PM. All of them appeared to be trying to crowd their entire congregations into that bitty little sound studio, and some of them were what is called around here "holiness" or "full gospel" preachers, and occasionally someone would break out into tongues, and it always raised the hackles on the back of my neck.

I had to set my foot down and draw the line one fine Sunday when some Snake Handlers brought in a box of live rattlesnakes.

Anyhow, that sort of thing gives me the willies - not just the snakes, but the whole tongues thing. Later in life, I was at an Assemblies of God Church one Sunday evening when what I thought was a pretty weird and curious thing happened. Folks were jumping up at random and gibbering in "tongues", and it was all just gibberish to me... until one lady about 20 yards to my right, and slightly behind me, jumped up and started gibbering away. Now, that was not the weird part, to me. What was weird to me is that I could understand what she was saying, and it wasn't in English - it was in Ancient Sumerian. Now, I'm no slouch at languages, but Ancient Sumerian is NOT one of the ones I can speak or understand... generally speaking. It started with me just catching a word here and there and understanding it, with streams of gibberish in between, and as it went on, I understood more and more of it, until I could understand everything. That struck me as pretty weird, especially since I was just visiting, not a member there. It's not like I'd had a lot of practice at it or anything.

What was being said was not anything that ought ever to be uttered in a house God is supposed to own.

A few minutes into it, a guy to my left got up and started "interpreting" what she was saying, but I knew that what he was saying was nothing like an  actual "interpretation" - it was more gibberish-ish than what she was saying, because it had no bearing at all on what was actually being said. At that point, I stood up, gathered up my wife at the time, and walked away... really fast. it wasn't anything I wanted anything to do with.

I didn't have much use for tongues before that, and absolutely none after it. I still can't speak or understand Ancient Sumerian - it seems to have been a one-shot deal, for what purpose I'll never know.

After that, I decided to research the subject to try and understand what had actually happened, and hopefully why. It seems that in Acts, where this phenomenon is first mentioned, some itinerant preachers were preaching to crowds from several different nations, and each person understood what was being said in HIS OWN LANGUAGE - not any sort of "unknown tongues". I couldn't find any reference in the Bible to anything resembling the modern concept of "unknown tongues". A Pentecostal explained to me that it was a "secret language" understood only by your soul and God, and taught me how to speak in tongues at will and on purpose. I can still do it - but I don't. I'm not about to say anything to God that I don't even know what I'm saying MYSELF. I'm not buying that whole concept - it seems sort of spiritually dangerous to me... and I no longer trust any "interpretations".

Even though I researched it as thoroughly as I could, I've never found out or understood what happened in that church that evening. It's not anything I ever want to repeat, though. What that woman was saying... it was as if Pazuzu himself was speaking, and planning to steamroll the congregation.

I can understand Mr. G's trepidation - if someone said in tongues "get thee to preaching", I'd run as fast and hard as I could.

Temple or no.


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@"Ninurta" 
My husband said that you'd understand then when he says that he was raised in the Pentecostal Religion.

@"Ninurta", same thing happened to me, but I was very young.  I was probably around seven or eight years old when someone in our church service started speaking in tongues while they were standing to testify.  Thing was, our church didn't practice "speaking in tongues".

I understood everything he said, although I don't remember it now.  I had no idea no one else understood it until we were on our way home and my parents were talking about it. I learned then that no one else knew what he was saying.  I didn't mentioned that I did because I knew my parents would never believe me. 

They say there will be an interpreter for anyone who speaks, but no one else stood to tell what he said.  Was I supposed to be the one?    

That never happened again to my knowledge.  Everyone felt kind of weird after that because it took the whole congregation by surprise, I think even the man speaking was surprised.

(12-21-2017, 02:03 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Ninurta" 
My husband said that you'd understand then when he says that he was raised in the Pentecostal Religion.

Yes, the so called Pentecostal movement began in 1906, it never existed prior to that date. 

What "speaking in tongues" means, according to the Bible, is a sudden knowledge of a known language - not something learned at school - which allows people to teach and/or preach to people in their own language the message of Jesus, of salvation.  

If I suddenly knew Chinese for instance, in order that I could teach you something the Bible says, that is speaking in tongues. It is a way to spread the gospel of Christ to those who have never heard it, and nothing more. 

People cursing God in languages they don't understand, is apparently a common occurrence in Pentecostal churches, and is good reason to stay away from them. 

Being filled with the Holy Spirit, is something different altogether from what those people teach. The Holy Spirit "guides you into all truth" 

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

"Ezekiel 36:27: “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.”

A prime example of hearing the Holy Spirit. I hear Bible verses a lot (or perhaps think them loudly), get exegesis on Biblical topics through hearing (or thinking loudly), have learned a LOT about the Bible and what it means that way and Iearned it fast.. no teacher, just what I hear. I've also had dreams which taught me the meaning of salvation and the role of Christ - which led me to faith in Christ and being saved  to begin with.

I've never spoken in tongues, and I've never heard anything that wasn't in the Bible... sure, there are different ways the Holy Spirit manifests, He convicts people of sins they are doing, tells them when they are going astray and more... 

While it's not explainable - i should not be a Bible scholar 3 years into being saved for instance - it's also not "weird". It has a clear meaning and reason. I needed a clear understanding of what the Bible means by what it says, for instance. 

That's what the Holy Spirit does... and every person has to also learn to discern the spirit.. meaning, you have to make sure your hearing from God and not self or other
, there are clear things God does, and clear things God doesn't do... He will never tell you to jump off a bridge, or act like a fool in church, for instance, he will never explain the Bible incorrectly, or say things not in the Bible.  

I believe, because of my own experiences,  although I don't expect anyone else to understand - and many might think me crazy, but there will never be an explaination for all that happened to me either that caused me to become saved and learn the Bible so fast that isn't God and the promised Holy Spirit. ..

Jeremiah says:

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. In those days people will no longer say, 'The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--their own teeth will be set on edge. "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

This is now, today, and what the Holy Spirit does and is.This, from the old testament, sums up exactly what Christianity is and has been since Christ, and helps understand what the Holy Spirit does and is for.

I saw it once... the 'speaking-in-tongues' -thing at a Pentecostal church near to where I used to live.

It was 1974 and I was wanting to learn how to play a guitar. My friends had purchased one and being near Christmas,
I asked my mother if I could have one as a present.

Giving my weekly milk-round money to assist in the cost, my small-world Mum agreed and on the morning of 25th December,
I tore the wrappings away to reveal a plastic three-stringed toy that promised that it was an actual acoustic guitar!
Bless her.

A week later, the error had been corrected and my wooden instrument waited for it's owner to breathe music into it.
My friends were in the same predicament and being reluctant to ask the Music Teacher at school on how the hell these things
worked, we sat on a local grassed-area and pondered on buying a self-help manual.
That's when a young man called John appeared.

Actually, there were three of them and I recognised the two behind him because they were older pupils from the school I went
to. The one who did the talking, a guy I would learn later with the same surname as myself, talked about what were doing and
how we could make better use of our time.

He mentioned that a church just down the road doubled as a Youth Club twice-a-week and maybe we could visit to lessen
our chances of getting into trouble. I now believe that if he hadn't mentioned that on other evenings, he and his friends enjoyed
a semi-type of happy worship by playing his guitar and singing, we'd have just nodded and forgotten the whole episode.

After a chat about learning to play that particular instrument, John suggested that if we came along, he could give us some
lessons and after looking at each other, we said we'll see.

A couple of nights later, we waited until the Youth Club-part was over and then carrying our guitars, wandered into another room
and hesitantly sat down in a circle of chairs. The young man called John entered and said that he and some others were going
to have a prayer meeting and we were welcome to join in.

A friend asked about the guitar lessons and John loosely indicated that aftewards, he'd maybe help us out.
So after a few minutes, a group of adults and the two I recognised from school came in and sat down. Remember, we were
just kids and so all of this was a bit embarrassing, seven men, three young male adults and four street-running kids isn't the
best recipe for religious discourse!

After constantly closing our eyes, holding the hand of the persons next to us and mouthing the words of prayers we'd never
heard of, it occurred to me that maybe we'd been used to inflate John's position in this little club. That was when the two
older boys from my school stood up and started gibbering.

It was terrifying, they loudly called out a strange language and held their arms high. It must have gone on for a whole minute
until one of the men carefully led them out of the room and looking around at the remaining people, it seemed it was a normal
event for them.

We left not long after and ignored the pleadings of John and his assurance he would teach us how to play the guitar.
We felt used and agreed we had just been 'filler' for the slick-tongued John to gain credit with his peers.

One of those who had presumably spoken in 'Spirit voice' had a younger brother and at school the next day, I asked him
if he'd known about his older sibling behaving so strange. I was surprised when he snorted and assumed I was just being silly.
I explained the events of the previous evening and he said he'd ask him about it after school.

When I approached the boy again about the incident, he just said his brother shouted at him and told him not to be so stupid.
Like most things at that age, other distractions moved me away from the subject and I never got to know what the real truth
was in regards of those strange accents.

That was forty-three years ago and I still can't play the guitar.

@"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
...You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer
can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

@Guohua. Hallelujah and pass the ammo!

Now... that darn climb into the attic, the guitar is up there somewhere!

(12-21-2017, 11:03 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
...You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer
can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

@Guohua. Hallelujah and pass the ammo!

Now... that darn climb into the attic, the guitar is up there somewhere!

Hallelujahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,, I'm getting by Tanbourine wramed up!

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

My banjo? I'll have to make another one. I'm gonna need another cigar box for the sound chamber...

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

Nope, no accordion.  I play the piano... by ear.

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

Lol... who said Grace can sing? The cat fairly well hisses at me when I run around the house singing certain that I'm subjecting her to some horrendous form of torture that she never offered herself up for... 

I'd suggest handing me the tambourine. .. leave the singing to Nin. :)

(12-22-2017, 12:03 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

My banjo? I'll have to make another one. I'm gonna need another cigar box for the sound chamber...

Dont think such a lame excuse will get you one of them cases full of cigars..

(12-22-2017, 12:23 AM)Grace Wrote:

(12-21-2017, 10:48 PM)guohua Wrote: @"BIAD" 
Well the lessons are free on the internet now.

You go ahead a learn a Cord or Two and Ninurta can get his Banjo and Mystic Wanderer can play the Accordion and I'll Bring My Tambourine and Grace Can Sing,,, and we'll have a Revival Meeting.

Lol... who said Grace can sing? The cat fairly well hisses at me when I run around the house singing certain that I'm subjecting her to some horrendous form of torture that she never offered herself up for... 

I'd suggest handing me the tambourine. .. leave the singing to Nin. :)

OK, Ok Ok,,,, you can have the Tambourine,,, I'll was a Horn,,, don't Salvation Army bands have a Horn?