Natalie Sudman shares what she experienced in the astral/spiritual realm after she left her physical body when her truck was hit by a roadside bomb during a tour in Iraq. It's quite fascinating and differs from what some others say they experienced while having a NDE.

One thing she said that I took away as a lesson I need to work on, is calling other people evil. She said the lesson for us in experiencing the "evil" of others is to learn how to show compassion for those people. It's an opportunity for us to grow as spiritual beings.
Okay... easier said than done, but I'll try.  I think a lot of us are apparently needing to grow in this area right now.  Is this why so many in today's world are providing us with this opportunity?    

Quote:Natalie Sudman had quite an unusual near-death experience in the moment when her truck hit the bomb. She did not experience the typical out-of-body experience where she might have been floating above the scene before rushing through a tunnel toward the light.
Instead, Natalie simply blinked from one environment to another instantly, finding herself on a sort of stage addressing thousands of other spirits who seem to be studying her experience vicariously.
Natalie then describes a sort of download of information. She calls it a “transfer of information in the form of an inexplicably complex matrix”. The information included “events, thoughts, incidents, individuals, and groups in all their relationship complexities: stories, concepts, connections, nuances, layers, judgements, and projections. It included kinetic equations and dimensions and symbols and flows.” or as she says later, “might be very broadly understood as cultural and political information.”

With all due respect to Ms. Sudman, and any other folks who just want to get along with whatever and whomever they can get along with, I ain't gonna glad-hand Evil, overlook it, make excuses for it, be compassionate to it, or pray for it. I'm gonna fight it, right up to the day it kills me.

Some times, you've just got to draw a line and announce that if the wrong folks cross that line, there's gonna be blood. It helps keep them honest.

I don't care about my "spiritual progression", my growth as a spiritual being,  or any of that other stuff - I care about my family, and my friends, and I'll do whatever I have to to make their world a better place. Some times, that involves taking on Evil head on.

So be it.

ETA: in 1979, I had an experience similar to, but not the same as, the one she describes. I found myself in a place that was not a place, among a fairly large group of... entities, I guess... with an invitation to have a seat in this "assembly". I declined, mostly out of fear because I knew I didn't belong there, among that group, and that was the end of that. That's probably a story for another time, though, and it'll probably never be told.

Hell, most of the time now, 38 years later, I don't even believe it myself.

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(10-02-2017, 05:36 PM)Ninurta Wrote: With all due respect to Ms. Sudman, and any other folks who just want to get along with whatever and whomever they can get along with, I ain't gonna glad-hand Evil, overlook it, make excuses for it, be compassionate to it, or pray for it. I'm gonna fight it, right up to the day it kills me.

Some times, you've just got to draw a line and announce that if the wrong folks cross that line, there's gonna be blood. It helps keep them honest.

I don't care about my "spiritual progression", my growth as a spiritual being,  or any of that other stuff - I care about my family, and my friends, and I'll do whatever I have to to make their world a better place. Some times, that involves taking on Evil head on.

So be it.

ETA: in 1979, I had an experience similar to, but not the same as, the one she describes. I found myself in a place that was not a place, among a fairly large group of... entities, I guess... with an invitation to have a seat in this "assembly". I declined, mostly out of fear because I knew I didn't belong there, among that group, and that was the end of that. That's probably a story for another time, though, and it'll probably never be told.

Hell, most of the time now, 38 years later, I don't even believe it myself.

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Don't be a tease @"Ninurta".  You have to tell us now.  We want to hear it.  

(10-02-2017, 09:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Don't be a tease @"Ninurta".  You have to tell us now.  We want to hear it.  

Not gonna happen. DHS is probably ALREADY searching for some kind of mental health paperwork on me. They won't be able to find any, anywhere, and I ain't gonna just hand it to them!


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(10-02-2017, 11:06 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Don't be a tease @"Ninurta".  You have to tell us now.  We want to hear it.  

Not gonna happen. DHS is probably ALREADY searching for some kind of mental health paperwork on me. They won't be able to find any, anywhere, and I ain't gonna just hand it to them!


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(10-02-2017, 11:15 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:06 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Don't be a tease @"Ninurta".  You have to tell us now.  We want to hear it.  

Not gonna happen. DHS is probably ALREADY searching for some kind of mental health paperwork on me. They won't be able to find any, anywhere, and I ain't gonna just hand it to them!


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Spoil Sport  

I'll send a PM about it, but in keeping with the nature of the thread, it's a PM specifically because I DON'T want it out in the wilds of the interwebz!

I did have a friend who had an NDE about 8 months before he died who told me about his NDE. He stated that he "was no longer afraid to die" after having it, and 8 months or so later, there he went. At least I know where he ended up, and it sounded like a pretty nice place. There's comfort in that.


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(10-02-2017, 11:18 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:15 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:06 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Don't be a tease @"Ninurta".  You have to tell us now.  We want to hear it.  

Not gonna happen. DHS is probably ALREADY searching for some kind of mental health paperwork on me. They won't be able to find any, anywhere, and I ain't gonna just hand it to them!


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Spoil Sport  

I'll send a PM about it, but in keeping with the nature of the thread, it's a PM specifically because I DON'T want it out in the wilds of the interwebz!


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Oh, thank you!     (Turning on the water works gets them every time ladies. :smallwink:    )

(10-02-2017, 11:19 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Oh, thank you!     (Turning on the water works gets them every time ladies. :smallwink:    )

Yeah, tears get me every time. Unless a woman is trying to get me to buy her some shoes. Tears will never get a pair of shoes out of me.


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(10-02-2017, 11:26 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:19 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Oh, thank you!     (Turning on the water works gets them every time ladies. :smallwink:    )

Yeah, tears get me every time. Unless a woman is trying to get me to buy her some shoes. Tears will never get a pair of shoes out of me.


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