I'll take fighting back against nazis any day. That's just me. Is it extreme? Damn right, people should be ashamed tostand by "peacefully" while jack booted thugs march through our streets chanting seig heil...

(08-16-2017, 06:49 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: I'll take fighting back against nazis any day. That's just me. Is it extreme? Damn right, people should be ashamed tostand by "peacefully" while jack booted thugs march through our streets chanting seig heil...

I agree with you there. This type of thing shouldn't be allowed in our country. It should be against the law to march for the Nazis here. That's what we fought against in WWII, as you stated, and now here they are demanding their rights in our country.

Like I said before, I think I woke up in a parallel universe somewhere along the way.  

Mystic Wanderer


I don't believe this study at all.. ill tell you why. 

"Alt-right" was a term for Trump supporters, those who believed they wanted to take a chance on a Trump presidency and perhaps see some positive changes made politically in our national interest, rather than the path to globalization we were taking where America's interests didn't matter.

In this group there are black, white, latino, Muslim, Mormon, Christian, libertarian, independents, even some former democrats and republicans.  Such a diverse and mixed group. 

In order to demonize this group, and make it into something less than human, they heralded a handful of racists who claimed to have created the term alt right for their 15 minutes of fame, and claimed their group was the alt right. 

At the rally where those handful of racists gathered, a group of about 100 showed up. Half of the crowd who attended, were not members of this racist group, they were members of the media, a media desperate to dehumanize all trump supporters by claiming all trump supporters belonged to this one small group. 

Of course, with all this media attention, a group of people who couldn't gather a hundred true supporters has since grown, yet still, trump supporters are depicted with the brush of this one group. 

With this brush, the black man, the Latino, the Muslims and former Muslim, the whites, the republicans, the independents, the libertarians.. are ALL white supremacists who hold hitler in high regard and want nothing more than a return to Nazi Germany. 

It's a damn lie... in order to make a diverse group of people something less than human.. because if we were human, then this war they are waging might be misplaced, if we were a diverse group of people who wanted what is good for our nation, then this war they are waging against us might be misplaced, and they might have to listen to what we are saying.

Can't have that, so they must lie.

Very well said, @"Grace".  

(08-17-2017, 12:31 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Very well said, @"Grace".  

Just to back up my point, in case you missed it:

https://youtu.be/BncFCSsV914



Real people getting painted with this brush.. to what end?

(08-17-2017, 04:37 AM)Grace Wrote:

(08-17-2017, 12:31 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Very well said, @"Grace".  

Just to back up my point, in case you missed it:

https://youtu.be/BncFCSsV914



Real people getting painted with this brush.. to what end?

@"Grace" 
I agree with Mystic Wanderers comment, Very, very Well said.

(08-16-2017, 02:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: There was a police presence, but they were ordered to stand down. Then when one side (not sure which one; I'm confused at this point too) wanted to leave, the police forced them to use the exit that pushed them right into the face of the opposition.  That's when things got really bad.

This was a staged event (False Flag) to cause chaos, then the media used it to further the hate to divide our country.
Soros and his minions at play again!

No, the flags were pretty evident, and apparently correctly attributed. There was apparently the swastika flag of the nazis, and the Confederate flag of a long-gone nation that is no more, and can therefore not be a threat to anyone... and those under the hammer and sickle banner are now strutting around and crowing like a bunch of Bantam roosters over their "victory".

Nope, no false flags there. They were all real flags, although the one that the statue was actually connected with is of a country that was invaded and overthrown by the U.S., and no longer exists.

(08-16-2017, 06:49 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: I'll take fighting back against nazis any day. That's just me. Is it extreme? Damn right, people should be ashamed tostand by "peacefully" while jack booted thugs march through our streets chanting seig heil...

Fair enough. I'll watch your war on TV.

I do note, however, your firm stance against the First Amendment. I respect you for taking a stance against the United States governing documents and making it public. To hell with all those dead guys who died to protect it, right? I don't have a problem with that, as you certainly have a right to your opinion, same as anyone else. Those dead guys died to protect YOUR right to free speech too... even if you use it to condemn free speech. Funny how that works, ain't it?

Given the circumstances in your post, I'm afraid that, as one who supports the First Amendment and has done my part to protect it, I am honor bound not to join you in your war, regrettably. If all the miscreants are doing is marching and chanting, there ain't a damned thing my honor will allow me to do about it - doesn't matter what flag they are marching under, nor whether they are chanting "seig heil", "Workers of the world UNITE!", "what do we want - DEAD COPS! When do we want them - NOW" or "nanna nanna boo boo!" I can't, for the life of me, assault people whose only crime is walking and speaking. They'd have to do a bit more than that to raise enough ire for me to attack.

So enjoy your war. I'll be watching it on TV, and maybe occasionally cheering you on. When they come to actually squash YOUR rights to free speech as you would have done to theirs, give me a call and I'll be right there to back you up...  but until then, until they actually DO something against you, I'm sitting this one out.

P.S. - I've actually faced down jack-booted thugs. Hell, even my wife has. They ain't that tough if handled properly, so have fun with it.


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(08-16-2017, 11:29 PM)Grace Wrote: Mystic Wanderer


I don't believe this study at all.. ill tell you why. 

"Alt-right" was a term for Trump supporters, those who believed they wanted to take a chance on a Trump presidency and perhaps see some positive changes made politically in our national interest, rather than the path to globalization we were taking where America's interests didn't matter.

In this group there are black, white, latino, Muslim, Mormon, Christian, libertarian, independents, even some former democrats and republicans.  Such a diverse and mixed group. 

In order to demonize this group, and make it into something less than human, they heralded a handful of racists who claimed to have created the term alt right for their 15 minutes of fame, and claimed their group was the alt right. 

At the rally where those handful of racists gathered, a group of about 100 showed up. Half of the crowd who attended, were not members of this racist group, they were members of the media, a media desperate to dehumanize all trump supporters by claiming all trump supporters belonged to this one small group. 

Of course, with all this media attention, a group of people who couldn't gather a hundred true supporters has since grown, yet still, trump supporters are depicted with the brush of this one group. 

With this brush, the black man, the Latino, the Muslims and former Muslim, the whites, the republicans, the independents, the libertarians.. are ALL white supremacists who hold hitler in high regard and want nothing more than a return to Nazi Germany. 

It's a damn lie... in order to make a diverse group of people something less than human.. because if we were human, then this war they are waging might be misplaced, if we were a diverse group of people who wanted what is good for our nation, then this war they are waging against us might be misplaced, and they might have to listen to what we are saying.

Can't have that, so they must lie.

I agree. the "Study" is scientifically flawed. It's initial premise is flawed, in that the assumption is "alt-right=white supremacist", which is not true. That in turn led to what is called in scientific and statistical circles a "selection bias" - since alt-right was assumed to be exactly equivalent to "racist", the respondent pool selected for the study was skewed to begin with. It's no wonder that a study gets the very results it is intended to get when it is designed from the beginning to get those very results.


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(08-17-2017, 05:52 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I agree. the "Study" is scientifically flawed. It's initial premise is flawed, in that the assumption is "alt-right=white supremacist", which is not true. That in turn led to what is called in scientific and statistical circles a "selection bias" - since alt-right was assumed to be exactly equivalent to "racist", the respondent pool selected for the study was skewed to begin with. It's no wonder that a study gets the very results it is intended to get when it is designed from the beginning to get those very results.

It's cheap of me, but I can't resist.
It's like saying humans are to blame for Climate Change because the information generated is from sources
who's natural stance is that only humans effect their environment deliberately.

Since it's assumed animals cannot perceive the human construct of self-awareness, they are not able to be
accountable or blamed.

Ergo, 'white supremacists'  are a labelled group who's existence is beyond debate and they knowingly behave
in a manner that's negative. Anything outside that group is not negative because the rationale of morality-based
equality demands that other groups seek the opposite.

Cows farts and coal-mining.

(08-17-2017, 09:36 AM)BIAD Wrote:

(08-17-2017, 05:52 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I agree. the "Study" is scientifically flawed. It's initial premise is flawed, in that the assumption is "alt-right=white supremacist", which is not true. That in turn led to what is called in scientific and statistical circles a "selection bias" - since alt-right was assumed to be exactly equivalent to "racist", the respondent pool selected for the study was skewed to begin with. It's no wonder that a study gets the very results it is intended to get when it is designed from the beginning to get those very results.

It's cheap of me, but I can't resist.
It's like saying humans are to blame for Climate Change because the information generated is from sources
who's natural stance is that only humans effect their environment deliberately.

Since it's assumed animals cannot perceive the human construct of self-awareness, they are not able to be
accountable or blamed.

Ergo, 'white supremacists'  are a labelled group who's existence is beyond debate and they knowingly behave
in a manner that's negative. Anything outside that group is not negative because the rationale of morality-based
equality demands that other groups seek the opposite.

Cows farts and coal-mining.

DAMN!!!   @"BIAD"  Between you and     @"Ninurta"  and let's not forget    @"Grace"  I'll be on my knees all day,,,,,,,, all of your analogies  (using s big word my husband taught me) are correct in my way of thinking.

So, now we have mainstream democrats joining in with the radical left. :smallimpatient: 

Quote:Wondering why so much of the Left in America continues to be silent — if not rationalizing — in the face of extremist left-wing groups like “Antifa”?


It might be because much of the mainstream Left has chosen to link up with radical, fringe organizations that agree with much of Antifa’s communist/socialist/anarchist ideology.
In a blog post this week, the Indivisible guide — a leftist organization that forms coalitions of groups to advocate for leftist causes — has detailed how in the wake of the Charlottesville mayhem this past weekend, traditional left-of-center groups have thrown their weight behind the revolutionary Left.

Indivisible revealed that a conglomerate has formed to “stand in solidarity with Charlottesville.”

While the coalition involves recognizable groups like the Obama-founded Organizing for Action (OFA), the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, the National Education Association (NEA), and other standard actors, it also includes openly extremist groups that seek to undermine the nation.

The extremist outfits in the coalition include:
Greenpeace
A radical scorched-earth “environmental” group, several current and former Greenpeace activists have engaged in eco-terrorism.

Democratic Socialists of America
The openly socialist organization was founded by an admirer of Karl Marx. The group seeks to institute an authoritarian government that holds complete control over the individual.

If Not Now & Jewish Voice for Peace
The two anti-Israel groups have endorsed the extremist BDS movement that calls for the boycott of Israel.

Arc Jewish Action
The Soros-funded organization has labeled White House officials Stephen Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, and Stephen Miller as Nazis.

CODE PINK
Anti-American, anti-war group that pushes Marxist and neo-Marxist ideals.

Working Families Party
“Quasi-Marxist” political organization that seeks leftist solutions on taxes, health care, and other domestic issues.

CPD Action
The activist arm of the Center for Popular Democracy, a group that has scooped up older chapters of the now-defunct ACORN, which the federal government stripped of federal funds after an expose by the late Andrew Breitbart.
 
Bottom Line
It should come as no surprise, given the aforementioned coalition members, that the Left in America remains almost unanimously silent on the violent extremist Antifa group. The militant gang has viciously beaten supporters of the president and attacked police officers, and Antifa’s mob violence has resulted in the destruction of private property nationwide.
While the vast majority of the Right in the United States routinely condemns white nationalist elements who claim a place on its side of the ideological spectrum, the same cannot be said about the extremists who continue to align with America’s Left.
Editor's note: The article has been updated for clarity on OFA.

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                                                             Charlottesville Rally Attack Exposed as False Flag

Quote:Witness reports state the driver was switched and replaced with a different man
The event at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virgina rocked the world this weekend after a car plowed into a crowd of protesters before speeding away.

Video footage that captured the event at the already-heated protest this weekend quickly went viral on social media.

Crowds had gathered on a side street when a gray Dodge Challenger intentionally drove into them at speed and was only stopped when it collided with stationary vehicles.
The car then reversed back up the street and fled the scene.

One woman died in the attack with another 19 people seriously injured.

20 -year-old James Alex Fields, who the mainstream media have been quick to label a "Nazi sympathizer" was taken into custody shortly after and arrested on suspicion of murder, malicious wounding and hit-and-run charges.

The narrative being pushed in the MSM is that a "white-supremacist" attacked a group of anti-racism activists confronting neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan (KKK) sympathizers, but information has now begun to emerge that suggests this may be some sort of false flag event designed to instill hate and divide.

© Press
A car plowed into protesters at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia

One eye witness of the suspect's arrest has raised a lot of questions regarding the legitimacy of the events.
An anonymous poster uploaded images to 4chan of the vehicle and driver being apprehended by law enforcement which he says took place "right outside" his house before the post was deleted from again from the site.
The witness claims that the driver "wasn't pulled over by cops, it was two blacked out Suburbans".

He then goes on to describe how the driver was quickly bundled into one of the SUVs and another man got out of the other one and sat on the floor in handcuffs.

He described the driver as being "possible Middle Eastern" and described him as wearing "skinny jeans" and being "not black, not caucasian" and "not having a fashy[facist] haircut".

The description of the man he was replaced with matches the description of James Alex Fields who was "officially" taken into custody.

Describing the apprehension of the driver, the witness said:

Quote:"They made everyone go inside and acted like they were going to pull a gun on my wife"
"[The] guy looked Middle Eastern honestly. Didn't get a close look at his face. They bundled him into one of the SUVs really fast"
"Not black but not Caucasian pale. Didn't have a fashy haircut or anything. Skinny jeans."
"I saw a pic of a white guy sitting beside a Challenger in handcuffs but that was NOT the same guy we saw helped out of the car."

An image captured of the driver shows a man with a very different appearance to the man arrested.  
The witness also posted that he was being blocked from posted more images on the anonymous message board before his post disappeared altogether.

According to Alex Jones of Infowars, the entire rally was stirred up by George Soros-funded Democratic Party undercover operatives.
Jones says that the car attack was a false flag designed to frame conservatives as "extreme neo-Nazis".
In a statement on his Facebook page he said:

Quote:“So they advertise and they have a ‘unite the right – don’t be racist’ rally and of course these guys with torches come and you look them up and most of them are actors, you can even look up their names. They’re Democratic Party operatives. They’ve been caught painting swastikas on black people’s places and burning crosses and they always get caught. 
“So I look at the ‘white nationalists’ last night that were leaving this deal, I mean they’re straight out of Hollywood with their little white shirts and their Hitler haircuts. I mean, some of them you track and it comes out they are Southern Poverty Law Center operatives. I mean, they RAN the Oklahoma City bombing. That came out in court documents.”

Hours after the violence erupted, US President Donald Trump said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides".
"The hate and the division must stop right now," he told reporters in New Jersey, where he is on a working holiday. "We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation."
In response to the criticism, the White House issued a statement on Sunday clarifying that Mr. Trump's condemnation had included white supremacists.
"The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry, and hatred. Of course, that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups," a spokesperson said.
Mr. Trump has been blasted by the mainstream media for "not condemning the actions of the far-right", but are his comments an indication that he may know who was really behind the attack?

Could these events be part of an operation to create a state of emergency and undermine Trump's presidency?
At this point, it certainly has the hallmarking of a well-funded false flag event.

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Did you all notice that license plate?  Is that GVT1111?   Hmmm... 

I think that holds some truths for those who study numerology and the Illuminati.  Just sayin'...

"JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US"

The totally innocent rally against statue politics...

Featuring, the crying nazi himself 

Jews will not replace us

(08-17-2017, 05:44 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(08-16-2017, 06:49 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: I'll take fighting back against nazis any day. That's just me. Is it extreme? Damn right, people should be ashamed tostand by "peacefully" while jack booted thugs march through our streets chanting seig heil...

Fair enough. I'll watch your war on TV.

I do note, however, your firm stance against the First Amendment. I respect you for taking a stance against the United States governing documents and making it public. To hell with all those dead guys who died to protect it, right? I don't have a problem with that, as you certainly have a right to your opinion, same as anyone else. Those dead guys died to protect YOUR right to free speech too... even if you use it to condemn free speech. Funny how that works, ain't it?

Given the circumstances in your post, I'm afraid that, as one who supports the First Amendment and has done my part to protect it, I am honor bound not to join you in your war, regrettably. If all the miscreants are doing is marching and chanting, there ain't a damned thing my honor will allow me to do about it - doesn't matter what flag they are marching under, nor whether they are chanting "seig heil", "Workers of the world UNITE!", "what do we want - DEAD COPS! When do we want them - NOW" or "nanna nanna boo boo!" I can't, for the life of me, assault people whose only crime is walking and speaking. They'd have to do a bit more than that to raise enough ire for me to attack.

So enjoy your war. I'll be watching it on TV, and maybe occasionally cheering you on. When they come to actually squash YOUR rights to free speech as you would have done to theirs, give me a call and I'll be right there to back you up...  but until then, until they actually DO something against you, I'm sitting this one out.

P.S. - I've actually faced down jack-booted thugs. Hell, even my wife has. They ain't that tough if handled properly, so have fun with it.


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And yet you are totally fine with somebody running over people on "the other side" for doing the same damn thing. Get that shit out of here.

(08-14-2017, 09:18 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: @"DuckforcoveR" 

We have the first issue with the definition

Calling someone a nigger does not equate to Nazi
This has has to be restated

African Ancestery was.. Well Rare in Nazi Germany, as in black swan rare

If I remember my history correctly

it was kill
Jews
Romani
gays
political enemies

then blacks were well
mostly not on the radar

Maybe after 1939 berlin games maybe.. 

So lets walks down the lazy man's path.. Wikipedia time

Nazi Germany

Quote:Nazi Germany is the common English name for the period in German history from 1933 to 1945, when Germany was governed by a dictatorship under the control of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP). Under Hitler's rule, Germany was transformed into a totalitarian state in which the Nazi Party controlled nearly all aspects of life. The official name of the state was Deutsches Reichfrom 1933 to 1943 and Großdeutsches Reich ("Greater German Reich") from 1943 to 1945. The period is also known under the names the Third Reich (German: Drittes Reich) and the National Socialist Period (German: Zeit des Nationalsozialismus, abbreviated as NS-Zeit). The Nazi regime came to an end after the Allied Powers defeated Germany in May 1945, ending World War II in Europe.

Nazi Party

Quote:The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German:  Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (/ˈnɑːtsi/), was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945 and practised the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

We are in agreement 
if you are a member of the National socialist german workers party

You are a Nazi

So was any member of the protesters members of the NAZI party?

To my knowledge the National Socialist German Workers Party is banned in Germany
Please note the prerequisite in the title itself

How many Germans were present at the Protest?


So on face value, the ones legally protesting do not qualify as Nazi's, nor do BLM or anti fa


To be continued

See my "just posted" video. "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!" and listen the crying nazi (in his own words). If you haven't seen him crying, you should. It's epic...

and for the record?! I'm sick and fucking tired of "black lives matter". There is a systematic, endemic racism in this country and the  LAST thing that will help is for "I got an idea, lets all join the black side and chant slogans!" No fucking different than the Nazis. 

"So what the hell DFC? I don't get you?" It's all good, I'm just a sucker for an argument. And I have a burning sensation every time I see and hear ANYTHING about "white power" or these fucking guys talking about bourgeois commie shit while gladly collecting social security...

Crying Nazis I also like. And to see the subject of my last post crying for all to see like a little bitch is a night well had for me

Teacher Accused Of Punching Neo-Nazi Says Standing Up To Fascism Isn't A Crime

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Teacher Accused Of Punching Neo-Nazi Says Standing Up To Fascism Isn't A Crime
 David Moye,HuffPost Wed, Aug 16 2:26 PM PDT 

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A middle school teacher in Berkeley, California, accused of punching a neo-Nazi during a 2016 protest is arguing that standing up to fascism is not a crime.

Yvette Felarca, 47, was arrested last month for her involvement in a June 2016 anti-fascist demonstration held in Sacramento.

Felarca, who is a member of an activist group called By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), has been charged with felony assault, as well as two misdemeanor counts of inciting and participating in a riot, according to KPIX TV.

Footage of the demonstration appears to show Felarca repeatedly punching a member of the Traditionalist Worker Party, a white nationalist group described as ”a front for neo-Nazi sympathizers” by ABC 10. The taller man is holding up his hands while trying to get police officers to help. Other protesters drag the man to the ground before the police intervene.

At her arraignment last week, Felarca told the court that the charges against her are false and should be dropped.

“Standing up against fascism and the rise of Nazism and fascism in this country is not a crime,” she said. “We have the right to defend ourselves.”

Back in 2016, Felarca told reporters that the goal of the demonstration was to “shut down the Nazi scum.”

“They are organizing to attack and kill us,” she said at the time, according to Al Jazeera. “So we have a right to self-defense. ... That is why we have to shut them down by any means necessary.”

Felarca told the Los Angeles Times back then that her group’s protest was a success because it chased away the neo-Nazis and kept them from recruiting new members.

Felarca’s next scheduled court date is Oct. 4.

She is scheduled to teach at her Berkeley middle school when the students return later this month and cannot be legally fired unless she is convicted of a felony, according to KPIX TV.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost .

OK

So does this mean what I think it does if her defense is true


I think she will get a felony
it is assualt

Explanation: Here is how I see it all ...




1 The Communist [far left authoritarians] subvertly and covertly controlled 2 Antifa [far left libertarians] to attack 3 Nazi white supremacists [centrist authoritarians] who fought back.

Personal Disclosure: Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes!

Hold onto your cultural history ... things are going to get rough and tough!