08-24-2017, 02:49 PM
Crapper was fucking useless as an lt. in vietnam ( only got his rank cos family connectiones )...... he still a fucking ignorant useless piece of shit today that doesnt know his ass from a fucking hole in the ground .....
(08-24-2017, 02:49 PM)Daitengu Wrote: [ -> ]Crapper was fucking useless as an it. in Vietnam ( only got his rank cos family connections )...... he still a fucking ignorant useless piece of shit today that doesn't know his ass from a fucking hole in the ground .....
(08-30-2017, 02:48 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]I think this guy may well be on the right tracks...
(08-30-2017, 02:48 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]I think this guy may well be on the right tracks...
(08-30-2017, 02:48 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]I think this guy may well be on the right tracks...Good video.
(08-31-2017, 02:12 AM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ]Good video.
Very, Very Close to the Truth, Very.
Mr. G. was just Nodding his head as he listened.
(08-31-2017, 09:12 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, BIAD.(08-31-2017, 02:12 AM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ]Good video.
Very, Very Close to the Truth, Very.
Mr. G. was just Nodding his head as he listened.
Can Mr. G shed some light on why there's a discrepancy in why two or more agencies
approach a situation in different ways?
What I mean is that since the accepted goal is to benefit the country they're purported to
represent, then even if a alternative dialectic is assumed on dealing with acquiring funds,
stifling invasions and all-around surveillance.
Then why is it that it 'seems' that many of these agencies are working against the diverse
officials in the United States.
Who do they really work for?
(08-31-2017, 02:09 PM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ](08-31-2017, 09:12 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, BIAD.(08-31-2017, 02:12 AM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ]Good video.
Very, Very Close to the Truth, Very.
Mr. G. was just Nodding his head as he listened.
Can Mr. G shed some light on why there's a discrepancy in why two or more agencies
approach a situation in different ways?
What I mean is that since the accepted goal is to benefit the country they're purported to
represent, then even if a alternative dialectic is assumed on dealing with acquiring funds,
stifling invasions and all-around surveillance.
Then why is it that it 'seems' that many of these agencies are working against the diverse
officials in the United States.
Who do they really work for?
Mr. G. here for You!
OK, let me try and explain with out getting arrested, yes I still hold a security clearance.
POTUS Bush Jr. admen. was going to have me "Read Off" my clearance but changed their minds, not many old bastards left who understood the Soviet's way of thinking.
This will be short and sweet because it's mostly a Smoke Screen you see and read in the MSM, yes we're taking about two Banana Republics here.
Yes, there is that appearance of the outcome being fractured.
BUT, there is a lot of intelligence being gather there, by the Ruse of Them Hating Us and Demeaning us, yes one of those agency's have two or more contacts inside that feed us intelligence about that nations status, Why? If a Coup by us is needed, we know who to trust and lean on and give support to, again, the current situation may not be the desired original outcome, but there is always the chance.
Kind of a Vague reply.
Also, the biggest thing to remember, is even the Elites in the Shadow Government disagree and plot against each other and if they have enough influence on the CIA or NSA and so on, they can Upset The Apple Cart you may want to say.
By attempting to Control the entire Operation and It's out come.
Their people can go in a completely different direction of the other agency and then you have Chaos and Disruption and Deaths, yes The Deaths of Friendly's and our own people.
You've seen that already and YES, Hillary could have made the Phone Call and Very Possibly saved those three.
I really can't go into to much, I'd be getting us in trouble, it wouldn't be a Conspiracy Nut Posting, but Myself and I just can't make thing up and change the facts.
So, I would very possibly be arrested and the site closed down.
Sorry.
(08-31-2017, 09:12 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Can Mr. G shed some light on why there's a discrepancy in why two or more agencies
approach a situation in different ways?
What I mean is that since the accepted goal is to benefit the country they're purported to
represent, then even if a alternative dialectic is assumed on dealing with acquiring funds,
stifling invasions and all-around surveillance.
Then why is it that it 'seems' that many of these agencies are working against the diverse
officials in the United States.
Who do they really work for?
(08-31-2017, 09:24 PM)Ninurta Wrote: [ -> ]I may or may not still be subject to some NDA's, but none that I'm aware of that would prevent me from offering general observations - and I no longer have any security clearances to be read out of, so here goes -
Speaking purely as a conspiracy nut, who may not be of sound mind, the US intelligence apparatus is not a homogeneous bloc, all working together and pulling in the same direction like a yoke of oxen. instead it (as well as the Russian intel apparatus and some others around the world) is more like a many-headed hydra. It tries to cover all directions at once, but each head may not know what the other knows or is doing, and they occasionally snap at one another when trying to get a bite on the same morsel.
It actually reminds me more of a pack of coyotes snapping at one another over the same loop of gut from a downed elk pretty often.
It can be a sight to behold they way their hackles rise when required to "cooperate" on the same matter. How much more so when they are dealing with entirely alien agencies and persons?
Quote: or is it more about improving their own private collective because of a 'bigger' agenda?!
(08-31-2017, 09:49 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Cheers Ninurta, it's just that if any of the reports that come to light occasionally are true, then who were
the agency actually trying to benefit? Is it spying on US citizens or is that just collateral damage of something
unsaid?
What I'm aiming at is are these agencies serving their country and just sometimes, a slain person or explosion
is mere fallout of the greater-good...? or is it more about improving their own private collective because of
a 'bigger' agenda?!
Quote:James Clapper is a dick. Worse, he is a has-been dick. He's just a dick in search of Viagra to "replace" a potency he never had in the first place. He is a mouth-piece for the Movers and Shakers, someone they can use as a convenient "source" to get their misinformation out into the public via their controlled "news" agencies.YOU, Know Clapper?
Clapper is no more than a tool, a crowbar to be brandished by Those Who Move Behind the Scenes when they need a new bit of "data", designed and created to support the narrative they want to create, "released" to John Q. Public (whenever they can't get any actual intel people to play ball). His ONLY value to them is that he was, once upon a time, DCI. They simply use that to tie him to "intelligence agencies" to promote the narrative that somehow, these "intelligence agencies" have concluded whatever Clapper is told to say that they've concluded. Who would know better than a DCI?
(09-01-2017, 01:24 AM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ]@"Ninurta"
YOU, Know Clapper?
that is an excellent statement on Clapper.
*OH, Shit,,, runs to corner of window leaning against fortified wall with Mossberg 12 gauge.*
(09-01-2017, 09:25 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you both Mr. G & Ninurta for your respective views on this complicated subject.
I appreciate the delicate nature of the topic and the willingness of putting biased opinions
to one side for a more fair and 'open' answer.
That's why it seems universally-agreed that Clapper is a prick.
Quote:And it's that -that has always intrigued me.
Can an organisation that is constructed for a particular reason, morph into a entirely different
set-up because of the complicated maze of global sea-changes it dabbles in?
Quote:The confused machinations of individual factions that Ninurta commented on, is something my
personal make-up struggles with because of the sheer selfishness to gain, occasionally seems to
outweigh the original goal of national/international security and the accountability gets lost in
the lofty discussions of general governing.
Quote:If one believes that many of the agencies (not the silly seventeen that the MSM proclaimed)...
conduct themselves without concerns for that original goal and brings collateral problems to the
country they're alleged to serve and those problems are judged as to be acceptable by that
agency alone, then is it possible to 'switch off' that agency by the system most of us deems
in control?
Quote:Without belabouring Kennedy's 'break the CIA into a thousand pieces' quote, can such an act
take place this late in the game...? Or have the guard dogs become more powerful than their
masters up to the point that they know it?
Quote:The 'little' things like 'would an official security arm of a Government blow-up an entire
building to eliminate one person or gang-rape a child to force it's parent to disclose certain
information' is disturbing. But again, these acts go on in order to preserve a way of life that
the comfortably-sitting public have the luxury of not dwelling on in their old age.
(09-02-2017, 09:19 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you Ninurta, your explanation goes a long way to support my own view that when many
use expressions like 'deep state' and 'shadow government' the reality is that we're talking about
more of bundle of agreed actions for a variety of reasons -more than just a unified and systematic
agenda from a central control point.
Like an old-style sailing ship, it's travelling in a culturally-accepted direction, but the ropes, canvas
and crew are assigned separate tasks that at times, may not seem conducive to the overall mission.
Would that be a decent analogy?
Quote:The methods -I know, will sometimes seem outlandish and at times need funding by dubious methods,
but what I'm really trying to show is that there's no cackling maniac in an expensive chair conducting
the whole spider's web!
Quote:It removes the intrigue and dark motives from the perception of what these agencies are about, but
even if some of the methods are morally-questionable, I'm wondering if the desired overall goal is in
reality, begrudgingly accepted by the public these groups were allegedly created to serve.