Female Swimmer in Tears ... Forced Out by Trans Swimmer

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It's a fun subject to hash out though.  And, with all the new (old) faces showing up while the other site is off-line it might be fun to talk about it.

As long as the rampant and unchecked ignorant transphobia from the other place doesn't migrate here and we can discuss these things like open-minded adults, it might be fun?

I wrote a post about this offline yesterday but decided not to post it because I generally prefer the let sleeping dogs lie approach to this subject but since someone else brought it up, license has been granted.

This is a shining example of male arrogance, misogyny and a total failure of absurdist gender identity ideology and I am absolutely appalled and angry. With more than 70 anti-trans bills across the country this legislative session, this couldn’t have come at a worse time as it does nothing but reinforce the fact that biology matters and while it absolutely does, this subject can’t be discussed without a bit of nuance and a deeper understanding so bear with me as I try to add some of that.

As many here already know, as a person of trans experience myself, I am very much opposed to large parts of the current so called trans ideology being promoted by activists as generally speaking, it comes pretty close to nonsensical bullshit but like most things in today’s polarized root for the team world, most see this as a strictly black or white proposition without giving consideration to the afore mentioned nuance or a deeper examination of the whole trans in sports issue.

Understanding the strong emotion and controversy surrounding the subject of trans in general particularly when it comes to children and adolescents, I am reluctant to wade in on this with what many will think is just another crackpot opinion but as a former trans child and adolescent, I do have some insight into these matters as well as the cultural and societal implications of allowing males to complete in sex segregated female sports, why some have pushed for this and why outright bans may sound good in theory but aren’t without their drawbacks in some cases.

Which brings me to the point I have rallied about before: not all things trans are created equal as much as the TRAs (trans rights activists) would like them to be.

My stance on this is if a genuinely pre-transsexual male trans child, i.e a trans girl has undergone puberty suppression and has socially transitioned, there will be no physical advantages to speak of and to aid their social development, it is to their benefit to be as integrated as possible with their female peers including participating in girl’s sports etc. but admittedly, this is pretty rare. These kids deserve to live as much of a normal life as possible and excluding them because of their condition can have negative implications.

I will add in another fact that modern trans ideology strives to suppress… research has noted that genuinely gender dysphoric pre-transsexual children typically exhibit a clustering of unique physical traits not demonstrated in the also rans such as being slight of build, fine boned and neoteny, characteristics the 6’1” Lia Thomas doesn’t exhibit by any stretch of the imagination.

Furthermore, I feel if someone has ever participated on a boy’s sports team, they should be excluded from participating on a girl’s team regardless of testosterone levels or whatever and if they do, they should be excluded from the results or records.

In summary, I understand both sides of this issue and with the exceptions noted, think trans people have no place participating in sports where biological differences are a factor. I am a bigot.

You're not a bigot at all. I am new here so I will explain where I come from, what shapes my opinion. 

First I can absolutely relate to someone that feels uncomfortable in their own body. I myself would have been what is called a "Tomboy". I was rather with boys and I think before puberty, I was more wired like boys internally. Or it may have been lack of indoctrination from my parents side, what a girl or boy has to play and do. I said the "I wish I had a **** sentence a few times but it was more like being envious the boys could just take a leak.... -and I had to cower deep into the forest or behind a bush to do that, plus having like tissue with me (you get it).  I grew up in the country :)

I subscribe to the idea of souls having a more female or male character.  Now, I myself feel like a tad more one the male side than female. I am attracted to both men and women, why is a different topic but let's just keep it at that for context. I came around a lot and I have seen things, personally know a man that went through transition lately. I say "know" because I am fed up with that one. Even before COVID. Everything, in every conversation always had to be dragged to the trans topic. It was like suffering was part of the existence and had to be cranked up and lived to like 1000% before the first operations started. 

The whole identity of that person revolves around this. No other hobbies, no other interests, just this. I can understand it partly but many just obsess into the topic and make it their identity.  To a point even tolerant people like me are fed up and speak up to it. And then crying and I am the evil person. That's why I personally completely ignore the topic, I won't ask, I won't try to find out, I will just recognize it, nod and distract from the topic.

There is a fine line between asking for acceptance and trying to enforce acceptance through bullying. It's highly ironical to me that these people will resort to bullying AND the victim card all at once. And on a personal level, I like my femininity. I am mother and proud, I went through things like pregnancy and labor, something a trans woman will never be able to. They neither have that gift or the burden. They can't speak for us, our physiologic dealings. It has nothing to do with not wishing serenity of mind for these persons but just like the above example, these are still biologic men, female soul or not.

I find it presumptuous if someone like that is called a woman. I just can't help it. I won't call my self a man either just because I like man stuff and am more on the male side. I think a lot of the lack of body acceptance is actually fault of the media. However I can not speak for transgender's feelings, just trying to draw parallels. No one should suffer because they hate their body. I myself am tattooed all over the body to hide scars from an accident. I did that because I hated my body and suffered. But I was young.

Today I am double as old and I would not do the tatts again for that reason. Sometimes the soul needs more time than the body to grow and lot's of mental and physical suffering could be prevented if our society would not put focus on perfection so much. Teenage girls want bigger breast because they think it has to be 90C cups being one example. Makeup, botoxing, bigger lips.

We really messed up as humanity in the last twenty years.