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The Debrief...... Interesting developes ?
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https://www.thedebrief.org/fast-movers-a...ask-force/

Videos at the link
Quote:In an exclusive feature for The Debrief, U.S. military and intelligence officials, as well as Pentagon emails, offer an unprecedented
glimpse behind the scenes of what’s currently going on with The Pentagon’s investigation into UFOs, or as they term them,
“Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” (UAP).

For the last two years, the Department of Defense’s newly revamped “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force” (or UAPTF)
has been busy briefing lawmakers, Intelligence Community stakeholders, and the highest levels of the U.S. military on encounters
with what they say are mysterious airborne objects that defy conventional explanations. 

Along with classified briefings, multiple senior U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the matter say two classified intelligence reports
on UAP have been widely distributed to the U.S. Intelligence Community. Numerous sources from various government agencies told
The Debrief that these reports include clear photographic evidence of UAP.

The reports also explicitly state that the Task Force is considering the possibility that these unidentified objects could, as stated by
one source from the U.S. Intelligence Community said, be operated by “intelligences of unknown origin.” 
Significantly, a retired U.S. Air Force brigadier general and head of RAND corporation’s Space Enterprise Initiative has—for the first
time—gone on record to discuss some of the most likely explanations for UAP. His responses were surprising.

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U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Hillary Becke

Briefings At The Highest Levels 
In June, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s FY2021 Intelligence Authorization Act contained an intriguing section
titled report on “Advanced Aerial Threats.” In the inclusion, the committee gave an eye-opening official hint (in recent history)
the government takes UFOs seriously by offering its support for the “efforts of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force
at the Office of Naval Intelligence.”

The Intelligence Committee additionally requested an unclassified report detailing the analysis of “UAP” or “Anomalous Aerial
Vehicles.” 

Though already acknowledged by the Intelligence Committee, in mid-August, the Pentagon formally acknowledged they had
established a task force looking into UAP. In a press announcement, the Secretary of Defense’s Office stated, “the UAPTF’s
mission will be to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.”

According to the release, authority for the Task Force was approved by the DoD’s chief operating officer, Deputy Secretary of
Defense David L. Norquist. 

The summer news of the establishment of the UAPTF seemingly suggests—for the first time since the shuttering of Project Blue
Book (the Air Force’s official investigations into UFOs) in 1969—that the Pentagon is now taking the subject of UFOs seriously.
 
However, an internal email obtained by The Debrief shows that almost one year before the DoD’s announcement, the highest
levels of the U.S. military were already being briefed on UAP. 
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Copy of the Email Obtained by The Debrief via FOIA.

The email, obtained via Freedom of Information Act request, shows an October 16th, 2019 exchange between then Vice Chief
of Naval Operations, Admiral Robert Burke, and current Vice Chief of Staff for the Air Force General Stephen “Steve” Wilson.

In the email, Adm. Burke tells Gen. Wilson, “Recommend you take the brief I just received from our Director of Naval Intelligence
VADM Matt Kohler, on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).” Adm. Burke concludes the email, “SECNAV [Secretary of the Navy]
will get the same brief tomorrow at 1000.” 

The “SECNAV” referenced in Adm. Burke’s email was then-Secretary of the Navy, Richard V. Spencer.
A little over a month after this UAP briefing, Spencer was fired by then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper over public disagreements
stemming from a series of controversies involving the court-martial of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher.

Speaking on background, one U.S. Defense official lamented that a lack of continuity with DoD leadership might have hindered
some of the UAPTF’s work. Within the past 24 months, there have been four different Secretaries of the Navy and five additional
Secretaries of Defense. Vice Admiral Matt Kohler, noted for having provided the briefings, retired after 36 years with the Navy in
this year.
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Vice Adm. Robert Burke – U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Charles D. Gaddis IV

Reaching out to several active government officials and individuals who retain their government-issued security clearances,
The Debrief learned that last fall was a busy time for the UAPTF. On October 21st, 2019, a briefing on UAP was conducted
at the Pentagon for several Senate Armed Services Committee staffers. 

Attendees at the meeting told The Debrief that they were provided information on two previous DoD-backed UFO programs:
The Advanced Aerial Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification
Program (AATIP).

They were also briefed on “highly sensitive categories of UFO investigations.” Only two days later on October 23rd, staffers
with the Senate Select Intelligence Committee were provided the same information in a meeting on Capitol Hill. 

A former private contractor for AAWSAP and AATIP, Dr. Hal Puthoff, confirmed for The Debrief he was one of a handful of
persons who conducted the October briefings. “I have been invited to brief congressional staffers on the Senate Armed
Services Committee on UAP matters in the last couple of years,” Puthoff said in an email, “and have done so on more than
one occasion.”
Dr. Puthoff described the staffers during these meetings as being “engaged,” and provided “positive responses, [and]
more details always being requested.” 

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The Pentagon Press Briefing Room seal (Credit: DoD/photo by Lisa Ferdinando)

The Debrief reached out to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Office and DoD Executive Services Office and
formally requested an interview with someone authorized to speak on the UAP briefings with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

In an email, Senior Strategist and Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough responded, “To maintain operations security, which
includes not disseminating information publicly that may be useful to our adversaries, DOD does not discuss publicly the
details of either the observations or the examination of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace,
including those incursions initially designated as UAP – and that includes not discussing the UAPTF publicly, also.” 

Official public affairs channels indicate the Pentagon is not interested in sharing any more information on the UAP topic.
However, several current and former officials with the DoD and individuals working for multiple U.S. intelligence agencies
told The Debrief that there was much more going on behind closed doors.
 
UAP Intelligence Position Reports
Multiple sources confirmed for The Debrief that the UAPTF had issued two classified intelligence position reports, which one
individual described as “shocking.” Details provided on these reports suggest both a greater degree of Pentagon involvement,
and that the UAPTF’s hunt for unidentified objects isn’t confined only to aerial phenomena. 

Two officials with the DoD and one from the U.S. Intelligence community were willing to provide details on the contents of
the classified report. An additional three other U.S. Intelligence Officials and a federal law enforcement officer confirmed the
report’s existence but were only willing to provide comments on their distribution.

Given the report’s classification and their discussion of a “sensitive intelligence matter,” the officials we spoke with did so only
under strict conditions of anonymity. While The Debrief has agreed not to provide information on sources, identities, and employers,
though everyone we spoke with works within the U.S. Intelligence Community and under the authority of the U.S. Director of National
Intelligence. 

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Aerial view of the headquarters of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) in Chantilly, Virginia, by Trevor Paglen.

One of the intelligence reports, released in 2018, is said to have provided a general overview of the UAP topic and included
details of previous military encounters. According to sources who had read it, the report also contained an unreleased photograph
of an “aerial phenomena” categorized as “unidentified.” 

The Debrief was told the accompanying photo was captured from within the cockpit of an F/A-18 fighter jet with a pilot’s personal
cell phone. According to three U.S. officials who had seen it, the photo showed an unidentified silver “cube-shaped” object.

The report is said to have indicated the object was “hovering” or completely motionless when military pilots encountered it.
All three officials agreed that based on the photo, the object appeared to be at an altitude of roughly 30,000 to 35,000 feet
and approximately 1,000 feet from the fighter jet. 

Defense and intelligence officials willing to discuss the report and those who only wished to confirm its dissemination all expressed
shock that it had been so widely distributed amongst the Intelligence community. 
“In decades with the [Intelligence Community] I’ve never seen anything like this,” said one intelligence official. 

One defense official described the report’s distribution as having gone through “normal, non-public, information sharing channels.”
Other officials who’d seen and read the report either declined to elaborate or indicated the report was distributed on various secure
systems.

One defense official indicated it was distributed on the DoD’s Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet).
Two other intelligence officials said they received the information via “NSANet” (the NSA’s official intranet).
An additional source said the report was distributed via the CIA’s Intelink system.  

According to those willing to discuss the document, the report’s most disconcerting aspect was one of the potential explanations
for what UAP could represent. Sources say a “list” of possible prosaic explanations for these mysterious airborne encounters was
provided. However, the report expressly stated that the potential for UAP to be “alien” or “non-human” technology was of legitimate
consideration. 

All sources interviewed by The Debrief confirmed that the Task Force issued an updated second UAP position report later in the
summer of this year. Like the first, officials say this recent intelligence report was very widely distributed and shared amongst the
Intelligence Community. 
“It went viral,” said one intelligence official who had read the report. 

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Artist’s recreation of the image as described in the UAPTF Intelligence Report issued in 2020 (Image by Dave Beaty of The Nimitz
Encounters,
 2020).

Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence
position report was the inclusion of new and “extremely clear” photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent
aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or “blunted” edges and large, perfectly spherical white
"lights” in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to
ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States.
Several other sources confirmed the photo’s existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident. 

Regarding the overall theme of the recent report, officials who read it say the report primarily focused on “Unidentified Submersible
Phenomena,” or unidentified “transmedium” vehicles capable of operating both under water and in the air. 

The three officials we spoke with said the report suggested the UAP Task Force appears to be concerned that the objects being termed
as UAP may be originating from within the world’s oceans. Strange as this may sound, the idea of “USOs” or “unidentified submersible
objects” is not something exclusive to the current UAPTF. 

In various public appearances, astronomer and chief video/image analyst for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), Marc D’Antonio, has
shared an unusual experience involving the detection of an underwater “Fast Mover,” which occurred while he was sailing as a civilian
aboard one of the U.S. Navy’s prized attack submarines. 

Last year, defense journalist Tyler Rogoway spoke with several veteran submariners to get their take on D’Antonio’s account.
While at least one person expressed skepticism about D’Antonio being granted a civilian ride-along, the Navy vets being interviewed
almost unanimously acknowledged that unexplained, very high-speed sonar targets are indeed recorded by some of the most
sophisticated listening equipment on the planet. 

Agreeing only to speak on background, a senior member of the Intelligence Community whose responsibilities for decades involved
underwater surveillance and reconnaissance programs told The Debrief there was validity to claims of extremely fast-moving underwater
objects being detected by U.S. military systems.

“On occasion, there are detections made of non-cavitational, extremely fast-moving objects within the ocean.”
intelligence official declined to elaborate further, citing the high-levels of security classification associated with underwater reconnaissance.

Officials who had read the reports say the UAPTF appears particularly interested in “transmedium vehicles.”
While this may seem unusual, many accounts exist–some going back centuries–in which people say they have observed unidentifiable
craft operating in and out of the water. 

The Debrief reached out to Steven Zaloga, co-author of the annual World Military Unmanned Aerial Systems Market Profile & Forecast
and senior defense analyst for the Teal Group in Virginia, about the state of current or near-future development of “transmedium”
vehicles or systems.
Zaloga indicated he was unaware of any past or present technologies that are close to being capable of transitioning between air and
submersible travel. “I have no idea what-so-ever on objects able to cross the air/water barrier,” Zaloga said in an email. 

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U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Pedro A. Rodriguez

What is The Pentagon Officially Saying ABOUT UAP? 
Although The Debrief learned of the issuance and information reportedly detailed in the two UAPTF intelligence position reports,
officials we spoke with declined to provide any specifics as to why the most recent report focused on waterborne associations with
UAP. 

One active defense official familiar with the current UAP investigations said the UAPTF has a wealth of photographic evidence, collected
from military pilots’ personal devices as well as sophisticated DoD surveillance and reconnaissance platforms. The source also told us
some of the best evidence the UAPTF has acquired comes from measurement and signals intelligence (MASINT), rather than from
videos or still images. 

Although officials we spoke with didn’t provide any specifics to this point, it is assumed that any Top-Secret or Sensitive Compartmentalized
Information used to help form the UAPTF’s current opinions would not have been included in the UAP position reports, based on their
wide-spread distribution. 
 
Before publication, The Debrief reached out to The Pentagon for comment on the information leaked from the UAPTF reports.
Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough did not confirm or deny the existence of the UAP intelligence reports, and declined to make
any comment on their contents.

We followed up and requested the current media posture outlined by the official public affairs guide for UAP and dictated by
Department of Defense policy (DoDI 5405.03). Ms. Gough referred back to her previous statement, indicating that the DoD
does not discuss UAP publicly. As noted elsewhere, refusal by the Pentagon to discuss UAP is hardly anything new.

In 2017, then Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Dana White confirmed to Politico  that the DoD had studied UFOs under
the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Additionally, White said the program had been run by the former Director
of National Programs Special Management Staff for the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Luis Elizondo.

However, in an effort to “correct the record,” in December 2019 the Pentagon issued a statement saying AATIP was not UAP related,
and that Elizondo had “no responsibilities” in the program. 

In May of this year, The Debrief informed The Pentagon Public Affairs Office that we had conducted a number of interviews with former
senior Pentagon officials, a senior White House advisor and obtained documents, which all showed AATIP was involved in UAP investigations,
and that indeed Luis Elizondo was the custodian of the AATIP portfolio.
Additionally, information obtained showed elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office had participated
in AATIP.  

Though this request was less than six months after The Pentagon’s “no responsibilities” statement, spokeswoman Gough replied,
“Please keep in mind he [Elizondo] left DoD over three years ago, and there are personnel and privacy matters involved.” 

Given the recent Presidential election results and impending transfer of executive power, The Debrief reached out to the transition
team for President-Elect Joe Biden. While not explicitly discussing UAP, a transition team spokesperson said Biden intends to
“Immediately return to daily press briefings at the White House, U.S. Department of State, and U.S. Department of Defense.
Our foreign policy relies on the informed consent of the American people.
That is not possible when our government refuses to communicate with the public.” 

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U.S. Navy photo/Petty Officer 2nd Class James R. Evans.

What Does It All Mean? 
From closed-door meetings, to senior military leadership and the issuance of classified intelligence reports, all indications suggest
the DoD is indeed taking the UAP issue seriously. However, what new information has come to light about the government’s UAP
investigations provides us with few answers, and certainly raises a number of questions.

Classification has long surrounded the U.S. government’s most sophisticated airborne platforms. However, when it comes to underwater
systems, the extremity of official secrecy falls into a class by itself. For instance, retired Navy Admiral Bobby Ray Inman acknowledged
that he served as director for the National Underwater Reconnaissance Office (NURO) decades ago; yet despite this, to date the
government denies that the NURO even exists. 

Even if the Senate Select Intelligence Committee’s request for an unclassified UAP report ends up being enacted in the FY2021 Intelligence
Act, as legislative experts have pointed out, the UAP report provision is not binding law. In essence, there’s no guarantee the public will be
provided any comprehensive information on UAP. Equally, while Congress is required to have access to classified information, only the
executive branch has the authority to declassify national security information in order to make it public. 

Should the DoD become more willing to discuss UAP publicly, there are plenty of indications that it might be a disappointment compared
to many of the popular myths and narratives intertwined with the UFO subject over the last 70 years. 

Every source The Debrief spoke with who had either seen the published position reports or were familiar with the activities of the UAPTF
said that no concise estimate of the situation for UAP has been achieved. While they acknowledged that many hypotheses are being
explored, the U.S. government presently lacks any definite explanation for UAP-related events.  

Focusing on the DoD’s statements that the mission of the UAPTF is to “detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a
threat to U.S. national security,” The Debrief spoke with retired U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Bruce McClintock.
Just one of the videos
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The above footage -I believe shows my theory that the object in its own reality, isn't moving, we are!
I know that sounds crazy, but the method we see in the video isn't very efficient in the natural way of
travelling.

Zig-zagging for no reason doesn't make sense when not under threat.
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
#3
(12-08-2020, 10:05 PM)BIAD Wrote: The above footage -I believe shows my theory that the object in its own reality, isn't moving, we are!
I know that sounds crazy, but the method we see in the video isn't very efficient in the natural way of
travelling.

Zig-zagging for no reason doesn't make sense when not under threat.

@"BIAD",  why do jar flies or wood bees zig-zag?  It just seems to be the way they travel. No logical reason for it.
#4
(12-08-2020, 10:18 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: @"BIAD",  why do jar flies or wood bees zig-zag?  It just seems to be the way they travel. No logical reason for it.

I don't know the answer to that, but this 'shape' in the video seems to have little control of itself!
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
#5
(12-08-2020, 10:05 PM)BIAD Wrote: The above footage -I believe shows my theory that the object in its own reality, isn't moving, we are!

Interesting take on the matter. I never thought about that before.
#6
(12-09-2020, 04:37 AM)ABNARTY Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 10:05 PM)BIAD Wrote: The above footage -I believe shows my theory that the object in its own reality, isn't moving, we are!

Interesting take on the matter. I never thought about that before.

It sounds silly, right?! But if you take the accounts of UFO/aircraft interaction, accepting that both vehicles -the UFO and
the aircraft, are travelling forward and the manoeuvring around the aircraft is true, then the perils of a decision from the
driver of the unknown craft and a separate decision from the frightened pilot are really paramount.

We have to think about air-currents -from being high in the sky and from the effects created by the moving aircraft, not
interfering with the interaction of both parties. Then there's the idea of the UFO moving from wing (side) to another, what
if the pilot decided to turn his plane away just as the UFO moves to the position that the pilot chooses to escape the
interaction?
Can they read minds before the mental process happens? Does the occupant of the UFO already know the pilot's
actions before he contemplates them?

The odd sideways movements of the unknown craft in the video might imply an 'energy-route' in our atmosphere, but
would this be so efficient to not only avoid capture from Earthlings, it wouldn't be an obstacle in getting from A to B?
Helluva way to travel if you're having to go one step sideways before you can zoom two steps forward!

All of it points to a magical way of flying in our skies that defies the natural traits we know exist. A rational explanation
would fall into the UFO not really being there -like a hologram, or not being there because it isn't there and doesn't have
to deal with the meteorological problems we have to.
tinyhuh

Just like a shaky camera, our eye assumes the camera-holder is causing the impression of the object on a blank sky
is moving erratically. But if the camera is steady and the object still behaves in the same jerky manner, there must be
a reason for it that is relevant to the object and its driver.

I think that the view of the craft's assumed movement is falsely seen as effected by our world and enforced by how we
naturally believe an object should behave in it. Maybe it's because the craft isn't in our world as we understand it!
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
#7
I agree. Probably in the near future (hopefully) we start to understand this idea. It could explain a lot.
#8
(12-08-2020, 10:35 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 10:18 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: @"BIAD",  why do jar flies or wood bees zig-zag?  It just seems to be the way they travel. No logical reason for it.

I don't know the answer to that, but this 'shape' in the video seems to have little control of itself!

I would say that it's because they are constantly under threat - in nature, if you aren't eating something, it's a safe bet it's going to be trying to eat YOU! Same reason squirrels always zig-zag, and always keep a tree handy and nearby.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


#9
(12-08-2020, 10:05 PM)BIAD Wrote: The above footage -I believe shows my theory that the object in its own reality, isn't moving, we are!
I know that sounds crazy, but the method we see in the video isn't very efficient in the natural way of
travelling.

Zig-zagging for no reason doesn't make sense when not under threat.

Notice how it "drifts" and then suddenly "zips" back to it's original position?

We, all of us, both you and I, are moving through spacetime at incredible speeds. Above our individual apparent motion, we are travelling as the Earth rotates, as the Earth revolves around the Sun, as the sun revolves around the center of the Milky Way galaxy, as the Milky Way revolves around the local cluster center of gravity, as the local cluster revolves around the universe, and as the universe expands. Those all add up to a lot of high-speed travel we are unaware of... and what's worse, since most of the motion is circular, that means we are traveling in many different, and CHANGING, directions all at once...

Now, if these objects are in a different reality, trying to "speed match" with our own...

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


#10
(12-09-2020, 09:18 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Notice how it "drifts" and then suddenly "zips" back to it's original position?

We, all of us, both you and I, are moving through spacetime at incredible speeds. Above our individual apparent motion, we are travelling as the Earth rotates, as the Earth revolves around the Sun, as the sun revolves around the center of the Milky Way galaxy, as the Milky Way revolves around the local cluster center of gravity, as the local cluster revolves around the universe, and as the universe expands. Those all add up to a lot of high-speed travel we are unaware of... and what's worse, since most of the motion is circular, that means we are traveling in many different, and CHANGING, directions all at once...

Now, if these objects are in a different reality, trying to "speed match" with our own...

Another fine explanation and far-better than my poor attempt!
..........................

It's just that when Bob Lazar offered his idea of how these crafts work...

'This is accomplished by generating an intense gravitational field and using that field to distort space/time,
bringing the destination to the source, and allowing you to cross many light years of space in little time
and without traveling in a linear mode near the speed of light...'

He never explained why the aerial vehicle would perform these odd manoeuvres. If they were one of 'our' pilots and
the craft was -as Lazar states, captured by the US military, it means the ability to drive these things is not one of our
talents!

Lazar also failed to explain lift-off and hover of these craft because 'warping' space/time drags everything, the stars,
the sky, the secret lab and most Nevada to his craft's position. And that's ignoring any previous jaunts in these things!
...............................

But I don't know the real answer!
tinybiggrin
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
#11
Weird how we have Governments admitting this stuff is real more a less, releasing evidence, yet nobody seems that bothered? Back in the old days on TOS, the smallest thing would blow up with interest.

Strange times these!
I was born with a Thorn in my Soul, sometimes it hurts.


Nature gave us one tongue and two ears so we could hear twice as much as we speak.

- Epictetus






#12
(12-09-2020, 11:17 PM)Moonmagic Wrote: Weird how we have Governments admitting this stuff is real more a less, releasing evidence, yet nobody seems that bothered? Back in the old days on TOS, the smallest thing would blow up with interest.

Strange times these!

@"Moonmagic", most people today already know they are real, so the excitement has waned since the "old days".  I'm very happy to see it is no longer a "fringe" topic. 
And when the ETs come down and say, "Take me to your leader" on live t.v., I'm going to go on every platform I've ever posted on and say, "SEE? I TOLD YOU SO!"   tinybiggrin
#13
(12-09-2020, 11:28 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:
(12-09-2020, 11:17 PM)Moonmagic Wrote: Weird how we have Governments admitting this stuff is real more a less, releasing evidence, yet nobody seems that bothered? Back in the old days on TOS, the smallest thing would blow up with interest.

Strange times these!

@"Moonmagic", most people today already know they are real, so the excitement has waned since the "old days".  I'm very happy to see it is no longer a "fringe" topic. 
And when the ETs come down and say, "Take me to your leader" on live t.v., I'm going to go on every platform I've ever posted on and say, "SEE? I TOLD YOU SO!"   tinybiggrin

Maybe you're right there, it's not so fringe anymore is it? and most regular folk will entertain the idea! I just always thought it would look a bit different than this.

You gotta make it your avatar, ''I TOLD YOU SO'' with a flying saucer underneath. tinycool
I was born with a Thorn in my Soul, sometimes it hurts.


Nature gave us one tongue and two ears so we could hear twice as much as we speak.

- Epictetus






#14
(12-10-2020, 12:11 AM)Moonmagic Wrote:
(12-09-2020, 11:28 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:
(12-09-2020, 11:17 PM)Moonmagic Wrote: Weird how we have Governments admitting this stuff is real more a less, releasing evidence, yet nobody seems that bothered? Back in the old days on TOS, the smallest thing would blow up with interest.

Strange times these!

@"Moonmagic", most people today already know they are real, so the excitement has waned since the "old days".  I'm very happy to see it is no longer a "fringe" topic. 
And when the ETs come down and say, "Take me to your leader" on live t.v., I'm going to go on every platform I've ever posted on and say, "SEE? I TOLD YOU SO!"   tinybiggrin

Maybe you're right there, it's not so fringe anymore is it? and most regular folk will entertain the idea! I just always thought it would look a bit different than this.

You gotta make it your avatar, ''I TOLD YOU SO'' with a flying saucer underneath. tinycool

@"Moonmagic",  great idea!  I'll do that!   tinylaughing
#15
It could be as simple as riding gravity waves; like a cork bobbing in the ocean therefore constant adjustments must be made to maintain a position ?


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