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Propaganda watch

I decided to no longer be very quiet on this..

In honor of the white house echo chambers

The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru

Please note I am including the whole article to prevent editing by the sit owner

Quote:icture him as a young man, standing on the waterfront in North Williamsburg, at a polling site, on Sept. 11, 2001, which was Election Day in New York City. He saw the planes hit the towers, an unforgettable moment of sheer disbelief followed by panic and shock and lasting horror, a scene that eerily reminded him, in the aftermath, of the cover of the Don DeLillo novel “Underworld.”

Everything changed that day. But the way it changed Ben Rhodes’s life is still unique, and perhaps not strictly believable, even as fiction. He was in the second year of the M.F.A. program at N.Y.U., writing short stories about losers in garden apartments and imagining that soon he would be published in literary magazines, acquire an agent and produce a novel by the time he turned 26. He saw the first tower go down, and after that he walked around for a while, until he ran into someone he knew, and they went back to her shared Williamsburg apartment and tried to find a television that worked, and when he came back outside, everyone was taking pictures of the towers in flames. He saw an Arab guy sobbing on the subway. “That image has always stayed with me,” he says. “Because I think he knew more than we did about what was going to happen.” Writing

Frederick Barthelme knockoffs suddenly seemed like a waste of time.


“I immediately developed this idea that, you know, maybe I want to try to write about international affairs,” he explained. “In retrospect, I had no idea what that meant.” His mother’s closest friend growing up ran the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which then published Foreign Policy. He sent her a letter and included what would wind up being his only piece of published fiction, a short story that appeared in The Beloit Fiction Journal. It was titled “The Goldfish Smiles, You Smile Back.” The story still haunts him, he says, because “it foreshadowed my entire life.”


It’s the day 
of President Obama’s final State of the Union address, Jan. 12, and the news inside the White House is not good. Luckily, the reporters on the couch in the West Wing waiting room don’t know it yet. The cream of the crop are here this early p.m. for a private, off-the-record lunch with the president, who will preview his annual remarks to Congress over a meal that is reported to be among the best in the White House chef’s repertoire.


“Blitzer!” a man calls out. A small figure in a long navy cashmere overcoat turns around, in mock surprise.


“You don’t write, you don’t call,” Wolf Blitzer, the CNN anchorman, parries.


“Well, you can call,” shoots back his former colleague Roland Martin. Their repartee thus concluded, they move on to the mutually fascinating subject of Washington traffic jams. “I used to have a 9:30 hit on CNN,” Martin reminisces. “The office was 8.2 miles from my home. It took me 45 minutes.” The CBS News anchor Scott Pelley tells a story about how members of the press destroyed the lawn during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and were told that they would be allowed back once the grass was replanted. The National Park Service replanted the grass outside the White House, but the journalists weren’t allowed back on the lawn.


Unnoticed by the reporters, Ben Rhodes walks through the room, a half-beat behind a woman in leopard-print heels. He is holding a phone to his ear, repeating his mantra: “I’m not important. You’re important.”


The Boy Wonder of the Obama White House is now 38. He heads downstairs to his windowless basement office, which is divided into two parts. In the front office, his assistant, Rumana Ahmed, and his deputy, Ned Price, are squeezed behind desks, which face a large television screen, from which CNN blares nonstop. Large pictures of Obama adorn the walls. Here is the president adjusting Rhodes’s tie; presenting his darling baby daughter, Ella, with a flower; and smiling wide while playing with

Ella on a giant rug that says “E Pluribus Unum.”


For much of the past five weeks, Rhodes has been channeling the president’s consciousness into what was imagined as an optimistic, forward-looking final State of the Union. Now, from the flat screens, a challenge to that narrative arises: Iran has seized two small boats containing 10 American sailors. Rhodes found out about the Iranian action earlier that morning but was trying to keep it out of the news until after the president’s speech. “They can’t keep a secret for two hours,” Rhodes says, with a tone of mild exasperation at the break in message discipline.


As the deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, Rhodes writes the president’s speeches, plans his trips abroad and runs communications strategy across the White House, tasks that, taken individually, give little sense of the importance of his role. He is, according to the consensus of the two dozen current and former White House insiders I talked to, the single most influential voice shaping American foreign policy aside from Potus himself. The president and Rhodes communicate “regularly, several times a day,” according to Denis McDonough, Obama’s chief of staff, who is known for captaining a tight ship. “I see it throughout the day in person,” he says, adding that he is sure that in addition to the two to three hours that Rhodes might spend with Obama daily, the two men communicate remotely throughout the day via email and phone calls. Rhodes strategized and ran the successful Iran-deal messaging campaign, helped negotiate the opening of

American relations with Cuba after a hiatus of more than 50 years and has been a co-writer of all of Obama’s major foreign-policy speeches. “Every day he does 12 jobs, and he does them better than the other people who have those jobs,” Terry Szuplat, the longest-tenured member of the National Security Council speechwriting corps, told me. On the largest and smallest questions alike, the voice in which America speaks to the world is that of Ben Rhodes.


Like Obama, Rhodes is a storyteller who uses a writer’s tools to advance an agenda that is packaged as politics but is often quite personal. He is adept at constructing overarching plotlines with heroes and villains, their conflicts and motivations supported by flurries of carefully chosen adjectives, quotations and leaks from named and unnamed senior officials. He is the master shaper and retailer of Obama’s foreign-policy narratives, at a time when the killer wave of social media has washed away the sand castles of the traditional press. His ability to navigate and shape this new environment makes him a more effective and powerful extension of the president’s will than any number of policy advisers or diplomats or spies. His lack of conventional real-world experience of the kind that normally precedes responsibility for the fate of nations — like military or diplomatic service, or even a master’s degree in international relations, rather than creative writing — is still startling.


Part of what accounts for Rhodes’s influence is his “mind meld” with the president. Nearly everyone I spoke to about Rhodes used the phrase “mind meld” verbatim, some with casual assurance and others in the hushed tones that are usually reserved for special insights. He doesn’t think for the president, but he knows what the president is thinking, which is a source of tremendous power. One day, when Rhodes and I were sitting in his boiler-room office, he confessed, with a touch of bafflement,

“I don’t know anymore where I begin and Obama ends.”


Standing in his front office before the State of the Union, Rhodes quickly does the political math on the breaking Iran story.

“Now they’ll show scary pictures of people praying to the supreme leader,” he predicts, looking at the screen. Three beats more, and his brain has spun a story line to stanch the bleeding. He turns to Price. “We’re resolving this, because we have relationships,” he says.


Price turns to his computer and begins tapping away at the administration’s well-cultivated network of officials, talking heads, columnists and newspaper reporters, web jockeys and outside advocates who can tweet at critics and tweak their stories backed up by quotations from “senior White House officials” and “spokespeople.” I watch the message bounce from Rhodes’s brain to Price’s keyboard to the three big briefing podiums — the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon — and across the Twitterverse, where it springs to life in dozens of insta-stories, which over the next five hours don formal dress for mainstream outlets. It’s a tutorial in the making of a digital news microclimate — a storm that is easy to mistake these days for a fact of nature, but whose author is sitting next to me right now.


Rhodes logs into his computer. “It’s the middle of the [expletive] night in Iran,” he grumbles. Price looks up from his keyboard to provide a messaging update: “Considering that they have 10 of our guys in custody, we’re doing O.K.”

With three hours to go until the president’s address to Congress, Rhodes grabs a big Gatorade and starts combing through the text of the State of the Union address. I peek over his shoulder, to get a sense of the meta-narrative that will shape dozens of thumb-suckers in the days and weeks to follow. One sentence reads: “But as we focus on destroying ISIL, over-the-top claims that this is World War III just play into their hands.” He retypes a word, then changes it back, before continuing with his edit.

“Masses of fighters on the back of pickup trucks, twisted souls plotting in apartments or garages — they pose an enormous danger to civilians; they have to be stopped. But they do not threaten our national existence.”


Watching Rhodes work, I remember that he is still, chiefly, a writer, who is using a new set of tools — along with the traditional arts of narrative and spin — to create stories of great consequence on the biggest page imaginable. The narratives he frames, the voices of senior officials, the columnists and reporters whose work he skillfully shapes and ventriloquizes, and even the president’s own speeches and talking points, are the only dots of color in a much larger vision about who Americans are and where we are going that Rhodes and the president have been formulating together over the past seven years. When I asked

Jon Favreau, Obama’s lead speechwriter in the 2008 campaign, and a close friend of Rhodes’s, whether he or Rhodes or the president had ever thought of their individual speeches and bits of policy making as part of some larger restructuring of the

American narrative, he replied, “We saw that as our entire job.”


Having recently spent time working in Hollywood, I realize during our conversations that the role Rhodes plays in the White House bears less resemblance to any specific character on Beltway-insider TV shows like “The West Wing” or “House of Cards” than it does to the people who create those shows. And like most TV writers, Rhodes clearly prefers to imagine himself in the company of novelists.






“What novel is this that you are living in now and will exit from in eight months and be like, ‘Oh, my God’?” I ask him.

“Who would be the author of this novel?” he asks.


“The one you are a character in now?”


“Don DeLillo, I think,” Rhodes answers. “I don’t know how you feel about Don DeLillo.”


“I love Don DeLillo,” I answer.


“Yeah,” Rhodes answers. “That’s the only person I can think of who has confronted these questions of, you know, the individual who finds himself negotiating both vast currents of history and a very specific kind of power dynamics. That’s his milieu. And that’s what it’s like to work in the U.S. foreign-policy apparatus in 2016.”


It has been rare
 to find Ben Rhodes’s name in news stories about the large events of the past seven years, unless you are looking for the quotation from an unnamed senior official in Paragraph 9. He is invisible because he is not an egotist, and because he is devoted to the president. But once you are attuned to the distinctive qualities of Rhodes’s voice — which is often laced with aggressive contempt for anyone or anything that stands in the president’s way — you can hear him everywhere.


Rhodes’s mother and father are not interested in talking about Rhodes. Neither is his older brother, David, who is president of CBS News, an organization that recently revived the effort to declassify the contents of the redacted 28 pages of the Sept. 11 report on the eve of Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia, on which Rhodes, as usual, accompanied the president. The brothers are close, but they often go months without seeing each other. “He was like the kid who carried the briefcase to school,” Ben says of his brother, who worked at Fox News and Bloomberg before moving to CBS. “I actually didn’t do that great in high school because I was drinking and smoking pot and hanging out in Central Park.”


Rhodes’s impassioned yet depressive vibe, which I feel in his stray remarks and in the strangeness of his decision to allow me to roam around the White House, stems in part from feeling overloaded; he wishes he had more time to think and write. His mother is Jewish from the Upper East Side, and worships John Updike, and reads The New Yorker. His father is a Texan lawyer who took his sons to St. Thomas Episcopal Church once a month, where Rhodes felt like the Jewish kid in church, the same way he felt like a “Jewish Christian” at Passover Seders. His New York City prep-school-kid combination of vulnerability, brattiness and passionate hatred for phonies suggests an only slightly updated version of what Holden Caulfield might have been like if he grew up to work in the West Wing.

Rhodes’s windowless back office, which doesn’t have a TV screen, is an oasis of late-night calm in a building devoted to the performance of power. The walls are painted a soft creamy color, which gives it the feel of an upscale hotel room with the drapes closed. He arrives here every morning between 8 and 9 from a modest two-bedroom apartment in a grad-student-type building in an unpretentious Washington neighborhood around the corner from his favorite post-collegiate bar. Before coming to work, he walks his 1-year-old daughter to day care. Then he drives to work in his Beamer, which appears to be the one grown-up luxury he and his wife, Ann Norris, who works in the State Department and longs to return to her childhood home of California, can afford. When his wife takes the car, he rides the bus, which offers him a touch of the anonymity he craves. His days at the White House start with the president’s daily briefing, which usually includes the vice president, National Security
Adviser Susan Rice, Deputy National Security Adviser Avril Haines and Homeland Security Adviser Lisa Monaco.



The books on his shelves are a mix of DeLillo novels, history books, recondite tomes on Cuba and Burma and adventure-wonk stuff like Mark Mazzetti’s “The Way of the Knife.” C. S. Lewis makes an appearance here, alongside a volume of Lincoln speeches (Obama tells all his speechwriters to read Lincoln) and George Orwell’s “All Art Is Propaganda.” I have seen the same books on the shelves of plenty of Brooklyn apartments. Yet some large part of the recent history of America and its role in the world turns on the fact that the entirely familiar person sitting at the desk in front of me, who seems not unlike other weed-smokers I know who write Frederick Barthelme-type short stories, has achieved a “mind meld” with President Obama and used his skills to help execute a radical shift in American foreign policy.



So I wonder: How did he get from there to here?



The story that
 Rhodes published in The Beloit Fiction Journal is a good place to start.


Quote:The goldfish idea, I’m told, had been Ms. Wellberg’s.
“Why?” I ask. She is dyed blond, slim, petite, attractive.
“You take meticulous notes,” she slurs.


The editor at Foreign Policy who read “Goldfish,” which Rhodes attached with his query letter, said that the young M.F.A. would be bored with fact-checking. Instead, he suggested that he apply for a job with Lee Hamilton, the onetime congressman from Indiana, who was looking for a speechwriter.



“I was surprised,” Hamilton remembered. “What the hell does a guy who wanted to write fiction come to me for?” But he had always found writers useful, and Rhodes’s writing sample was the best in the pile. So he hired him on at the Wilson Center, a nonpartisan think tank. Though Rhodes never said a word in meetings, Hamilton says, he had a keen understanding of what was going on and a talent for putting the positions of distinguished participants down on paper. “I immediately understood that it’s a very important quality for a staffer,” Hamilton explained, “that he could come into a meeting and decide what was decided.” I suggested that the phrase “decide what was decided” is suggestive of the enormous power that might accrue to someone with Rhodes’s gifts. Hamilton nodded. “Absolutely,” he said.


Quote:The notes go on and on. They have ideas with subsets of ideas and reactions to ideas indented beneath the original ideas. The handwriting is perfect. The representation of what happened in the meetings immaculate, like a mirror’s reflection after it has been scrubbed clean. I have a reputation for my notes.


Rhodes served as Hamilton’s staff member on the 9/11 Commission, where he met Denis McDonough, another Hamilton protégé, who had gone on to work for Tom Daschle in the Senate. Rhodes then became the chief note-taker for the Iraq Study Group, the bipartisan commission that excoriated George Bush’s war in Iraq. He accompanied Hamilton and his Republican counterpart on the group, former secretary of state and Bush family intimate James Baker, to their meetings with Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Stephen Hadley, David Petraeus and many others (Vice President Dick Cheney met with the group but didn’t say a word). According to both Hamilton and Edward Djerejian, Baker’s second on the I.S.G., Rhodes’s opinions were helpful in shaping the group’s conclusions — a scathing indictment of the policy makers responsible for invading Iraq. For Rhodes, who wrote much of the I.S.G. report, the Iraq war was proof, in black and white, not of the complexity of international affairs or the many perils attendant on political decision-making but of the fact that the decision-makers were morons.



One result of this experience was that when Rhodes joined the Obama campaign in 2007, he arguably knew more about the Iraq war than the candidate himself, or any of his advisers. He had also developed a healthy contempt for the American foreign-policy establishment, including editors and reporters at The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Yorker and elsewhere, who at first applauded the Iraq war and then sought to pin all the blame on Bush and his merry band of neocons when it quickly turned sour. If anything, that anger has grown fiercer during Rhodes’s time in the White House. He referred to the American foreign-policy establishment as the Blob. According to Rhodes, the Blob includes Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates and other Iraq-war promoters from both parties who now whine incessantly about the collapse of the American security order in Europe and the Middle East.


Quote:Boost thinks very highly of me. My notes are so impressive that they have taken on the form of ideas, he feels. I capture other people’s words in a manner that not only organizes them, but inserts a clarity and purpose that was not present in the original idea. Connections are made between two opposing ideas that were not apparent in the meeting. I have gotten at not only the representation of things, but the way that the mind actually works.


Jon Favreau, then the campaign’s lead speechwriter, felt as if he could use a foreign-affairs expert who could write. “Foreign-policy advisers kept changing all the language that made Obama sound like he wasn’t part of the Democratic foreign-policy establishment,” he remembers. “The idea of someone with a masters in fiction who had also co-authored the Iraq Study Group and 9/11 Commission reports seemed perfect for a candidate who put so much emphasis on storytelling.” The two young speechwriters quickly found themselves to be in sync. “He truly gives zero [expletive] about what most people in Washington think,” Favreau says admiringly of Rhodes. “I think he’s always seen his time there as temporary and won’t care if he’s never again invited to a cocktail party, or asked to appear on ‘Morning Joe,’ or inducted into the Council on Foreign Relations hall of fame or whatever the hell they do there.”


Quote:I sit next to Boost in the meetings. The ideas fly like radio waves. I am silent in these meetings, taking notes.


“He was easily underestimatable,” Samantha Power recalls, of Rhodes’s arrival on the Obama campaign in 2007. Herself a writer, whose history of America’s responses to genocide, “A Problem From Hell,” won the Pulitzer Prize, Power went to work in Obama’s Senate office in 2005. Power is now the American ambassador to the United Nations. Her attire suggests a disingenuous ambivalence about her role in government that appears to be common among her cohort in the Obama administration, with a cardigan made of thick, expensive-looking cashmere worn over a simple frock, along with silver spray-painted rock ’n’ roll sneakers. See, I’m sympatico, the sneakers proclaim.



Early on, what struck her about Rhodes was how strategic he was. “He was leading quietly, initially, and mainly just through track changes, like what to accept and reject,” she says. When I ask her where Rhodes’s control over drafts of the candidate’s speeches came from, she immediately answers, “Obama,” but then qualifies her answer. “But it was Hobbesian,” she adds. “He had the pen. And he understood intuitively that having the pen gave him that control.” His judgment was superior to that of his rivals, and he refused to ever back down. “He was just defiant,” she recalls. “He was like: ‘No, I’m not. That’s bad. Obama wouldn’t want that.’ ”



Obama relies on Rhodes for “an unvarnished take,” in part, she says, because “Ben just has no poker face,” and so it’s easy to see when he is feeling uncomfortable. “The president will be like, ‘Ben, something on your mind?’ And then Ben will have this incredibly precise lay-down of why the previous half-hour has been an utter waste of time, because there’s a structural flaw to the entire direction of the conversation.”



The literary character that Rhodes most closely resembles, Power volunteers, is Holden Caulfield. “He hates the idea of being phony, and he’s impetuous, and he has very strong views.”


Quote:In Afghanistan the Taliban dynamites enormous statues of Buddha, the ancient material imploding and crumbling to the ground, small specks of men can be seen watching in the foreground. This is somewhere else. Far away.


On his first day
 in the West Wing, Rhodes remembers thinking how remarkably small the space was, and noticing that the same few dozen people he worked with at campaign headquarters in Chicago were now wearing suits instead of jeans. The enormousness of the endeavor sank in on that first day, and he realized that for all the prep work, there was no manual for how to be on the staff of the person who is running the country, particularly at a time when the global economy was in free fall and 180,000 Americans were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. He became aware of two things at once: the weight of the issues that the president was confronted with, and the intense global interest in even the most mundane presidential communications.


‘He truly gives zero [expletive] about what most people in Washington think. I think he’s always seen his time there as temporary and won’t care if he’s never again invited to a cocktail party.’







The job he was hired to do, namely to help the president of the United States communicate with the public, was changing in equally significant ways, thanks to the impact of digital technologies that people in Washington were just beginning to wrap their minds around. It is hard for many to absorb the true magnitude of the change in the news business — 40 percent of newspaper-industry professionals have lost their jobs over the past decade — in part because readers can absorb all the news they want from social-media platforms like Facebook, which are valued in the tens and hundreds of billions of dollars and pay nothing for the “content” they provide to their readers. You have to have skin in the game — to be in the news business, or depend in a life-or-death way on its products — to understand the radical and qualitative ways in which words that appear in familiar typefaces have changed. Rhodes singled out a key example to me one day, laced with the brutal contempt that is a hallmark of his private utterances. “All these newspapers used to have foreign bureaus,” he said. “Now they don’t. They call us to explain to them what’s happening in Moscow and Cairo. Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington.

The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change. They literally know nothing.”



In this environment, Rhodes has become adept at ventriloquizing many people at once. Ned Price, Rhodes’s assistant, gave me a primer on how it’s done. The easiest way for the White House to shape the news, he explained, is from the briefing podiums, each of which has its own dedicated press corps. “But then there are sort of these force multipliers,” he said, adding, “We have our compadres, I will reach out to a couple people, and you know I wouldn’t want to name them — ”


“I can name them,” I said, ticking off a few names of prominent Washington reporters and columnists who often tweet in sync with White House messaging.


Price laughed. “I’ll say, ‘Hey, look, some people are spinning this narrative that this is a sign of American weakness,’ ” he continued, “but — ”



“In fact it’s a sign of strength!” I said, chuckling.



“And I’ll give them some color,” Price continued, “and the next thing I know, lots of these guys are in the dot-com publishing space, and have huge Twitter followings, and they’ll be putting this message out on their own.”



This is something different from old-fashioned spin, which tended to be an art best practiced in person. In a world where experienced reporters competed for scoops and where carrying water for the White House was a cause for shame, no matter which party was in power, it was much harder to sustain a “narrative” over any serious period of time. Now the most effectively weaponized 140-character idea or quote will almost always carry the day, and it is very difficult for even good reporters to necessarily know where the spin is coming from or why.



When I later visited Obama’s former campaign mastermind David Axelrod in Chicago, I brought up the soft Orwellian vibe of an information space where old media structures and hierarchies have been erased by Silicon Valley billionaires who convinced the suckers that information was “free” and everyone with access to Google was now a reporter. Axelrod, a former newspaperman, sighed. “It’s not as easy as standing in front of a press conference and speaking to 70 million people like past presidents have been able to do,” he said. The bully pulpit by and large doesn’t exist anymore, he explained. “So more and more, over the last couple of years, there’s been an investment in alternative means of communication: using digital more effectively, going to nontraditional sources, understanding where on each issue your constituencies are going to be found,” he said. “I think they’ve approached these major foreign-policy challenges as campaign challenges, and they’ve run campaigns, and those campaigns have been very sophisticated.”



Rhodes’s innovative campaign
 to sell the Iran deal is likely to be a model for how future administrations explain foreign policy to Congress and the public. The way in which most Americans have heard the story of the Iran deal presented — that the Obama administration began seriously engaging with Iranian officials in 2013 in order to take advantage of a new political reality in Iran, which came about because of elections that brought moderates to power in that country — was largely manufactured for the purpose for selling the deal. Even where the particulars of that story are true, the implications that readers and viewers are encouraged to take away from those particulars are often misleading or false. Obama’s closest advisers always understood him to be eager to do a deal with Iran as far back as 2012, and even since the beginning of his presidency. “It’s the center of the arc,” Rhodes explained to me two days after the deal, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, was implemented. He then checked off the ways in which the administration’s foreign-policy aims and priorities converged on Iran. “We don’t have to kind of be in cycles of conflict if we can find other ways to resolve these issues,” he said. “We can do things that challenge the conventional thinking that, you know, ‘AIPAC doesn’t like this,’ or ‘the Israeli government doesn’t like this,’ or ‘the gulf countries don’t like it.’ It’s the possibility of improved relations with adversaries. It’s nonproliferation. So all these threads that the president’s been spinning — and I mean that not in the press sense — for almost a decade, they kind of all converged around Iran.”


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RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 04-01-2017, 11:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 04-28-2017, 05:46 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-10-2017, 12:36 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 05-10-2017, 04:01 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-10-2017, 04:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-11-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-12-2017, 10:45 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-13-2017, 02:58 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 05-13-2017, 04:58 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-25-2017, 10:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-26-2017, 04:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-30-2017, 04:22 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-30-2017, 04:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-30-2017, 04:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-16-2017, 04:07 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-21-2017, 08:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-22-2017, 05:02 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-22-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-22-2017, 05:45 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-06-2017, 04:35 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-06-2017, 09:35 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-08-2017, 11:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-06-2017, 04:51 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-08-2017, 11:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-10-2017, 09:03 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-10-2017, 09:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-15-2017, 06:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-30-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-05-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-05-2017, 07:02 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-28-2017, 01:58 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 09-28-2017, 03:11 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-10-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-18-2017, 09:26 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-24-2017, 07:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-24-2017, 07:59 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 11-16-2017, 08:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-08-2017, 04:06 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-13-2017, 09:30 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-14-2017, 05:54 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-27-2017, 03:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-28-2017, 11:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-30-2017, 02:00 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 01-16-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 02-02-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-23-2018, 05:49 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-18-2018, 03:14 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-18-2018, 03:42 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-19-2018, 03:04 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 05-19-2018, 03:23 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-25-2018, 09:48 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-27-2018, 06:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-19-2018, 03:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 07-19-2018, 05:38 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-08-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 08-08-2018, 10:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-11-2018, 04:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-12-2018, 09:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-16-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 08-17-2018, 01:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-19-2018, 11:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 08-20-2018, 12:10 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-31-2018, 07:30 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-31-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 09-01-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-25-2018, 09:52 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-24-2018, 11:27 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-25-2018, 11:34 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-13-2018, 10:10 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-30-2018, 01:14 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 11-30-2018, 03:21 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-09-2018, 06:26 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-29-2018, 11:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-29-2018, 03:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 12-29-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-30-2018, 02:57 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-31-2018, 12:38 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-31-2018, 09:10 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-02-2019, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-05-2019, 12:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-03-2019, 10:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-04-2019, 01:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-05-2019, 05:42 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-05-2019, 06:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-07-2019, 07:47 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-07-2019, 08:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-07-2019, 09:23 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-07-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-08-2019, 04:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-09-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-11-2019, 07:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-12-2019, 04:58 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-13-2019, 12:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-14-2019, 12:41 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-20-2019, 11:20 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-20-2019, 06:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-20-2019, 06:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 12:23 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-21-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 04:46 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 05:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 07:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-21-2019, 07:29 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-22-2019, 06:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-23-2019, 04:40 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-23-2019, 10:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-24-2019, 03:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-24-2019, 05:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-26-2019, 12:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 01-26-2019, 03:03 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-26-2019, 03:13 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-27-2019, 01:34 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-28-2019, 02:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-29-2019, 12:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-29-2019, 07:56 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-30-2019, 05:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-30-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-03-2019, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-04-2019, 03:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-04-2019, 12:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-04-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-04-2019, 07:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-04-2019, 07:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-04-2019, 11:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-05-2019, 02:35 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-05-2019, 02:36 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-07-2019, 12:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-07-2019, 04:45 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-09-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-16-2019, 08:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-20-2019, 06:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-20-2019, 06:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-24-2019, 09:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-25-2019, 01:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-25-2019, 05:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-25-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-25-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-25-2019, 10:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-01-2019, 12:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-01-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-03-2019, 02:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-03-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-06-2019, 07:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-06-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-07-2019, 09:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:24 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-16-2019, 01:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:28 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-09-2019, 12:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 04:27 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-13-2019, 02:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-18-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 06:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 06:54 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 07:00 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 07:11 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-29-2019, 02:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 03-29-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-29-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 03-30-2019, 12:27 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 04-26-2019, 01:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-07-2019, 11:36 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 07:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-17-2019, 09:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 11:57 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 11:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-19-2019, 12:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-20-2019, 05:39 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-23-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-23-2019, 10:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-23-2019, 10:55 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-24-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-29-2019, 09:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:44 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:46 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-04-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-06-2019, 04:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-08-2019, 09:32 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-13-2019, 07:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-20-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-30-2019, 09:18 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-30-2019, 03:39 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-30-2019, 05:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-30-2019, 07:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-02-2019, 07:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 07-03-2019, 06:18 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-03-2019, 08:42 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 07-03-2019, 05:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-17-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-19-2019, 02:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-19-2019, 06:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-19-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-29-2019, 09:12 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-29-2019, 06:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-02-2019, 10:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-04-2019, 01:37 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-06-2019, 05:41 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-06-2019, 04:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-11-2019, 10:05 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-15-2019, 10:03 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-16-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-25-2019, 01:21 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-25-2019, 09:47 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-30-2019, 10:43 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 10-01-2019, 08:24 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 10-01-2019, 10:28 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-04-2019, 09:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-14-2019, 04:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-23-2019, 04:21 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 10-23-2019, 04:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-29-2019, 03:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 11-05-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-10-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 11-11-2019, 02:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-11-2019, 11:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-16-2019, 02:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-07-2019, 06:28 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-07-2019, 08:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-08-2019, 08:41 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 02-16-2020, 02:37 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-16-2020, 04:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-12-2020, 05:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 03-13-2020, 04:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 04-03-2020, 06:35 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 04-03-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 04-23-2020, 06:05 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-03-2020, 10:12 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-06-2020, 06:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-17-2020, 05:54 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-23-2020, 11:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-29-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-30-2020, 11:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-06-2020, 11:14 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-23-2020, 09:29 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by kdog - 07-23-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-23-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-29-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-07-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-07-2020, 04:54 AM

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