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A second Amendment discussion in way You have never heard before - Armonica_Templar - 02-23-2017 It has continually been brought to attention that there is a clear and unprecedented assault on the constitution of the United States.. I could easily argue It was the ______________________ Party (you may choose Democrat or Republican) It seems of recent bent that one group is whining that another group has taken away what is THEIRS by right! And on and on and on.. ad infinity.. And it has become apparent that the Present LOSERS learned NOTHING from their losses.. They insist they are right and still do not engage in conversation As the title promised this is a conversation over the second amendment. What if I told you their was a very similar issue that was lost, and most of those whining are VERY familiar with. You see Gun control will NOT work and the promises made will NOT work. I can prove it with history.. I can effectively Rely on Wikipedia because every example you bring up will be more reliable and just add to my point. War On Drugs Quote:"The War on Drugs" is an American term[6][7] usually applied to the United States government's campaign of prohibition of drugs, military aid, and military intervention, with the stated aim being to reduce the illegal drug trade.[8][9] This initiative includes a set of drug policies that are intended to discourage the production, distribution, and consumption of psychoactive drugs that the participating governments and the UN have made illegal. The term was popularized by the media shortly after a press conference given on June 18, 1971, by United StatesPresident Richard Nixon—the day after publication of a special message from President Nixon to the Congress on Drug Abuse Prevention and Control—during which he declared drug abuse "public enemy number one". That message to the Congress included text about devoting more federal resources to the "prevention of new addicts, and the rehabilitation of those who are addicted", but that part did not receive the same public attention as the term "war on drugs".[10][11][12] However, two years prior to this, Nixon had formally declared a "war on drugs" that would be directed toward eradication, interdiction, and incarceration.[13] Today, the Drug Policy Alliance, which advocates for an end to the War on Drugs, estimates that the United States spends $51 billion annually on these initiatives.[14] So lets say the 2nd Amendment get banned Gun ownership is prohibited Comparing the two items I can only assume this The government is unable to provide anyway to stop gun violence The government is unable to provide anyway to stop drug violence This is what will happen if guns are banned You will have guns on the streets Guns will still be sold Guns will still be used From history's lessons it is clear that banning guns will only result in 1)a booming black market industry will occur, with new al capones and kennedy's 2)state cost will rise in Welfare, Prisons, military, DoHS, and Child Protective Services issues 3)murders will not go down, but will in fact go up I point to the war on drugs and prohibition as the proof So what happens with a Gun Ban Economics takes over.. RE: A second Amendment discussion in way You have never heard before - guohua - 02-23-2017 Fantastic. RE: A second Amendment discussion in way You have never heard before - Armonica_Templar - 02-23-2017 From the same Wiki article Quote:In 1986, the US Defense Department funded a two-year study by the RAND Corporation, which found that the use of the armed forces to interdict drugs coming into the United States would have little or no effect on cocaine traffic and might, in fact, raise the profits of cocaine cartels and manufacturers. The 175-page study, "Sealing the Borders: The Effects of Increased Military Participation in Drug Interdiction", was prepared by seven researchers, mathematicians and economists at the National Defense Research Institute, a branch of the RAND, and was released in 1988. The study noted that seven prior studies in the past nine years, including one by the Center for Naval Research and the Office of Technology Assessment, had come to similar conclusions. Interdiction efforts, using current armed forces resources, would have almost no effect on cocaine importation into the United States, the report concluded.[134] Rand Report- Sealing the Borders The Effects of Increased Military Participation in Drug Interdiction Quote:Rising concern with drug use in the United States has led to increased emphasis on the interdiction of drugs before they reach the country. The military services are now being asked to assume a substantial share of the burden of this interdiction. This report analyzes the consequences of greater stringency in drug interdiction efforts, focusing particularly on how such increased stringency might influence the consumption of cocaine and marijuana. The analysis strongly suggests that a major increase in interdiction activities, even including the military, is unlikely to significantly reduce drug consumption in the United States. So in effect what will take place as dictated by economic factors will quiWhatet simple Guns will become deadlier Better accuracy Hold more Ammo Stealthier versions for bypassing security You might get higher quality bullets and Silencers And of course the fun part from Miltons videos New Weapons will be developed A gun Prohibition will mark the beginning of a whole new industry (both legal and illegal) self defense weapons RE: A second Amendment discussion in way You have never heard before - Armonica_Templar - 02-23-2017 Improvised firearm Quote:An improvised firearm is a firearm manufactured other than by a firearms manufacturer or a gunsmith, and is typically constructed by adapting existing materials to the purpose. They range in quality from crude weapons that are as much a danger to the user as the target, to high-quality arms produced by cottage industries using salvaged and repurposed materials.[1][2][3] Taser Quote:A Taser or conducted electrical weapon (CEW)[1] is an electroshock weapon sold by Taser International. It fires two small dart-like electrodes, which stay connected to the main unit by conductors, to deliver electric current to disrupt voluntary control of muscles causing "neuromuscular incapacitation".[2][3] Someone struck by a Taser experiences extreme pain and over-stimulation of sensory nerves and motor nerves, resulting in strong involuntary muscle contractions. Tasers will incapacitate, not just cause pain compliance, and are thus preferred by some law enforcement over non-Taser stun guns and other electronic control weapons, which, like a Taser when used solely in "Drive Stun" mode, can only do the latter.[4][5][6][7] Pepper Spray Quote:Pepper spray (Also known as mace or capsicum spray) is a lachrymatory agent (a chemical compound that irritates the eyes to cause tears, pain, and temporary blindness) used in policing, riot control, crowd control and self-defense, including defense against dogs and bears.[1][2] Its inflammatory effects cause the eyes to close, taking away vision. This temporary blindness allows officers to more easily restrain subjects and permits people using pepper spray for self-defense an opportunity to escape. Although considered a less-than-lethal agent, it has been deadly in rare cases, and concerns have been raised about a number of deaths where being pepper sprayed may have been a contributing factor. This is just what we have at present They have taser shields for riots.. it is all there RE: A second Amendment discussion in way You have never heard before - Armonica_Templar - 02-23-2017 Non-lethal Weapon Quote:Non-lethal weapons, also called less-lethal weapons,[1] less-than-lethal weapons, non-deadly weapons, compliance weapons, or pain-inducing weapons are weapons intended to be less likely to kill a living target than conventional weapons such as knives and firearms. It is often understood that unintended or incidental casualties are risked wherever force is applied, but non-lethal weapons try to minimise the risk as much as possible. Non-lethal weapons are used in policing and combat situations to limit the escalation of conflict where employment of lethal force is prohibited or undesirable, where rules of engagement require minimum casualties, or where policy restricts the use of conventional force. |