Quote:Hi,
I got a SoundTouch 20 and could not find anything about the security and privacy concept.
My understand is that the smartphone app is communicating with the Internet. But not only for finding a internet radio station.
1.) What information is transfered to the bose serverover the internet? name? email? playlists? fafourite songs? ...???
2.) How is the personal infromation transfered? encrypted? plain http? ... ???
3.) What happens with the personal informations transfered to the bose server?

...

• We collect information through SoundTouch such as:
  • Your email address, name, and street address;
    
  • Technical information, including system model and IP address;
    
  • Location information derived from your IP address (e.g. to deliver the music services available to you);
    
  • Product usage information, including presets and recently-streamed content.
    

...


As far as i could find out, ... NOWHERE. Bose is storing the data including usage behaviour, music you listen, ... mac addresses, ... and so on (as the information considered private in the EU) on server "in the USA or elswhere"n as the privacy document states. A way to see what has been collected or even manage it. No chance.
That is why Bose wants to get in touch via email as they are afraid to state this fact here in public.
Fact is: According to the privacy agreement, YOUR PERSONAL DATA IS EXTENSIVELY COLLECTED WITH NO OPT-IN or OPT-OUT AND IS STORED IN AN UNKNOWN COUNTRY !!! This behaviour is irrensponsible!!

(01-10-2017, 01:35 AM)1984hasarrived Wrote: I just thought that this raised some interesting privacy questions, regarding speakers, which are an output device, although now with technology they have become bi-directional.

And the responses of @guohua and @senona are both what most people feel, as I posted in another forum, ie all the big companies are doing it, so it is ok, that is how it is.  

This passive giving up of freedom and privacy is something that the poster in the linked article is questioning, and is asking about where his data is stored - a fair enough question regarding the issues of illegal downloading, prosecution etc, as that may change from one country to another. 

Sadly this is the norm, and people just shrug their shoulders.

(01-10-2017, 01:35 AM)1984hasarrived Wrote: I just thought that this raised some interesting privacy questions, regarding speakers, which are an output device, although now with technology they have become bi-directional.

And the responses of @guohua and @senona are both what most people feel, as I posted in another forum, ie all the big companies are doing it, so it is ok, that is how it is.  

This passive giving up of freedom and privacy is something that the poster in the linked article is questioning, and is asking about where his data is stored - a fair enough question regarding the issues of illegal downloading, prosecution etc, as that may change from one country to another. 

Sadly this is the norm, and people just shrug their shoulders.

Quote:Internet-connected devices may start helping in criminal cases. As first reported in The Information, police in Bentonville, Arkansas have issued a warrant to Amazon, asking the company to hand over data from an Echo device to help prosecute a suspected murderer.

James Andrew Bates, the suspect in the case, was charged with first-degree murder in November of 2015 after authorities found victim Victor Collins strangled and drowned in Mr. Bates’ hot tub.

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Bates has several internet-connected devices in his home, including a Nest thermostat and a Honeywell alarm system, but the key witness in the case may be his Amazon Echo, which, as per The Information, police records say could have controlled the streaming music, which was being wirelessly transmitted throughout the night using Echo’s assistant Alexa.

However, it’s unclear how much data police could extract from the device or how useful that data would be in the case.

Alexa is always listening through a system of seven built-in microphones but waits for you to say the “wake word” to send it commands, like asking for the weather or which music to play, according to the company. The device also streams your audio to the cloud, including a fraction of a second of audio before the wake word.

(01-10-2017, 01:35 AM)1984hasarrived Wrote: I just thought that this raised some interesting privacy questions, regarding speakers, which are an output device, although now with technology they have become bi-directional.

And the responses of @guohua and @senona are both what most people feel, as I posted in another forum, ie all the big companies are doing it, so it is ok, that is how it is.  

This passive giving up of freedom and privacy is something that the poster in the linked article is questioning, and is asking about where his data is stored - a fair enough question regarding the issues of illegal downloading, prosecution etc, as that may change from one country to another. 

Sadly this is the norm, and people just shrug their shoulders.

Quote:Internet-connected devices may start helping in criminal cases. As first reported in The Information, police in Bentonville, Arkansas have issued a warrant to Amazon, asking the company to hand over data from an Echo device to help prosecute a suspected murderer.

James Andrew Bates, the suspect in the case, was charged with first-degree murder in November of 2015 after authorities found victim Victor Collins strangled and drowned in Mr. Bates’ hot tub.

Quote:

Bates has several internet-connected devices in his home, including a Nest thermostat and a Honeywell alarm system, but the key witness in the case may be his Amazon Echo, which, as per The Information, police records say could have controlled the streaming music, which was being wirelessly transmitted throughout the night using Echo’s assistant Alexa.

However, it’s unclear how much data police could extract from the device or how useful that data would be in the case.

Alexa is always listening through a system of seven built-in microphones but waits for you to say the “wake word” to send it commands, like asking for the weather or which music to play, according to the company. The device also streams your audio to the cloud, including a fraction of a second of audio before the wake word.

(01-10-2017, 06:03 AM)1984hasarrived Wrote: This seems quite apposite for this discussion

Quote:@"1984hasarrived"  wrote:

Very well said @senona - and it will only get worse as IoT enters people's homes more and more, and there is more connectivity between devices. 

I see this as a major problem on the horizon, and one I will be watching very carefully. In the meantime, I have no connected devices at home, I am pretty old school - still have a 5 disc CD player at home and a Bluetooth speaker for Mp3s.  Tv is a box for watching DVDs, no tv stations at all on it.