(08-20-2020, 04:20 AM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: At least they are keeping the experiment small for now. The only way I can see a UBI working in literally ANY country is if that country had a major national income. There have been several UBI experiments but no countries have a guaranteed national UBI for all- the only nations that have for a short period of time were Mongolia and Iran but they no longer have it.

The only way to pay for a UBI is to tax the Hell out of those who actually stay working to pay for those who don't, so what is the incentive here? If the govt takes half of your pay in taxes many would end up making the same or even less than those who are not working so why wouldn't any sane person choose to get paid for staying home? 

Quote:China moves its factories back to the countryside
Once famous for exporting labour, Henan now wants it to return. 
“In the long term, China’s continued economic development will depend on people in fourth-tier cities, county towns and villages joining the consumer class,” says Even Pay, an agriculture analyst at the Beijing-based research firm China Policy. “This is the real aim of the rural revitalisation strategy.”

Quote:In Rural China, Villagers Say They're Forced From Farm Homes To High-Rises

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

(08-20-2020, 05:37 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

congressmen and lobbyist

(08-20-2020, 06:50 PM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:37 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

congressmen and lobbyist

Right to the point!!  

(08-20-2020, 07:53 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 06:50 PM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:37 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

congressmen and lobbyist

Right to the point!!  

forgot one, walmart

(08-20-2020, 05:37 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

congressmen and lobbyist

(08-20-2020, 08:41 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: @"hounddoghowlie", I agree with half of your point, and only half of the half of the other half of your point.  (Mind twister).

I agree lobbyist can go, but Congressmen are only bad when they are corrupt, which at this point, most are. I think term limits would be a good way to correct this problem.

(08-20-2020, 08:05 PM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 07:53 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 06:50 PM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:37 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:09 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Seems like most people who have replied here are in agreement: Socialism doesn't work, it only leads to Communism.

So, now tell me what's so bad about Capitalism?

congressmen and lobbyist

Right to the point!!  

forgot one, walmart

Sounds like ...

A man walks into a bar with 2 black eyes ...

So I ask, "What happened?"

He says, "Well, I was in church and when we all stood to sing the hymn, the lady in front of me had her dress stuck in the crack of her ass.  So I decided to reach up and pull it out for her.  She turns around and punches me right the eye."

So I asked, "That explains one.  How'd you get the other?"

"Well, I thought maybe she wanted it there ... so l shoved it back in."

(08-20-2020, 08:41 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: I agree lobbyist can go, but Congressmen are only bad when they are corrupt, which at this point, most are. I think term limits would be a good way to correct this problem.

(08-20-2020, 04:31 AM)Antisthenes Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 02:48 AM)ChiefD Wrote: This is pretty interesting. The fact that there are only 120 people is kind of telling. I don’t think they want to get anyone’s hopes up or anything. 

Even as liberal as I am, I don’t see a universal basic income as something that would work, at least not in the United States. How would it be paid for? With people getting that, many would choose not to work at all and we would have critical shortages in workers. 

I mean, outwardly it sounds wonderful, but I think that would make our country’s problems worse. The money will have to come from somewhere, something essential that will cripple a lot of the country.

I actually believe that once peoples basic needs are met, crime drops and people aŕe allowed to express their innate creativity. I believe most are industrious but struggle circumvents that inclination and it becomes replaced with lack and fear. So yes, I am watching with great interest. Particularly since it's Germany. I mean, the locals sweep their streets without compensation because....well, they're German.  Lol

(08-20-2020, 02:48 AM)ChiefD Wrote: This is pretty interesting. The fact that there are only 120 people is kind of telling. I don’t think they want to get anyone’s hopes up or anything. 

Even as liberal as I am, I don’t see a universal basic income as something that would work, at least not in the United States. How would it be paid for? With people getting that, many would choose not to work at all and we would have critical shortages in workers. 

I mean, outwardly it sounds wonderful, but I think that would make our country’s problems worse. The money will have to come from somewhere, something essential that will cripple a lot of the country.

(08-21-2020, 10:45 AM)MarioOnTheFly Wrote: I'm 45 and have seen enough things in life and met enough people to know...once you give people free money, many will simply not work anymore.

(08-21-2020, 11:17 AM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-21-2020, 10:45 AM)MarioOnTheFly Wrote: I'm 45 and have seen enough things in life and met enough people to know...once you give people free money, many will simply not work anymore.

Kind of corny ... but, nobody wants this guy to quit working.

(08-21-2020, 11:55 AM)MarioOnTheFly Wrote:

(08-21-2020, 11:17 AM)Snarl Wrote:

(08-21-2020, 10:45 AM)MarioOnTheFly Wrote: I'm 45 and have seen enough things in life and met enough people to know...once you give people free money, many will simply not work anymore.

Kind of corny ... but, nobody wants this guy to quit working.

  indeed man. Corny...no singing voice...but the point remains. It seems to me that folks just dont understand that...no food can get to your table if everybody just stops working. Sometimes it appears to me like some child envisioned that concept. The naivety of some folk I see on twitter...like..you know..let's just dont go to work indefinately...bc of COVID. No biggie. Just stay at home, watch TV and the Govt will simply write checks for you. Oh what a wonderful world. And they get all riled up if you tell them it's unfeasible. A solid percentage of society would like to stay this way for good. Unreal.

(08-22-2020, 12:35 PM)Wallfire Wrote: this was tried by the Finnish government on a larger scale a few years ago. It did not work, the problems were that people on low wages disliked the fact that people were getting free money, so a why should I work feeling was gaining speed. For it to work everyone must get it, then the country is back where it started. The other factor was that some government groups demanded that all "refugees" get it, and that would of meant that they would be getting as much as many people who worked all there lives are getting in the lower pension scale