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NESSIE is BACK!
Just an update, in the 'Richard Outdoors' Community Section of his YouTube channel, it shows that Mr Maver
thanked everyone for their help in the Great Glen Challenge and displays a map of their journey.
This is listed as a month ago.
His last posting (3 weeks ago) joking asks for tips for his visit to Los Angeles -which I presume is tied to his job
as a pilot.
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And so I perused a video of a fellow-canoeist who went on the trek, Simon Eardley.
In his footage at 7.11, there's more of the use of the drone and in a couple of places throughout the video,
the same footage that is in Richard Maver's YouTube video is in Simon Eardley's too.
However, not the exact moments when the monster is spotted.

(There is one interesting section where the lone red canoe is filmed in situ that the TOS member captured,
but it's from a different angle and nothing is noticeable in the footage. Damn it!!)

So does this mean Richard Maver is not the only suspect in this assumed ruse...? Maybe the question should be
who was piloting the drone?
minusculethinking
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
(09-28-2021, 03:38 PM)BIAD Wrote: Maybe the question should be who was piloting the drone?
minusculethinking

Or who did the video editing and stitched all the various shots together.

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Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


(09-29-2021, 12:53 AM)Ninurta Wrote:
(09-28-2021, 03:38 PM)BIAD Wrote: Maybe the question should be who was piloting the drone?
minusculethinking

Or who did the video editing and stitched all the various shots together.

Well, that would be the start. I'd guess that the drone-owner would either have been in on the fakery
or aware that someone tampered with his footage.

That's assuming deliberate alteration took place.
I think we can assume the expense of using a submerged physical object in the loch is off the table.
It's costly, witnesses to installing an object into thee water would run the risk of spoiling the trick
and there's no guarantee it would bring the desired effects.

There's also the acting to be taken into account. If all of the men were in on the ruse, they sure put
on a good performance. If only one or two acted on the scheme, they've deliberately fooled their
companions.
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So we're left with a real unknown object that seems to move underwater was genuinely captured on
film and public imagination has done the rest.

Video manipulation has took place by one-or-more of those taking part in the canoe challenge and
they believed the notoriety would enhance the profile of the charity they sought to help via donations.

Video manipulation has took place by one-or-more of those taking part in the canoe challenge in order
to bring attention to themselves for unknown reasons.

There are seven canoes and in one shot from the Simon Eardley video, eight men in the expedition.
Although one of them remains on land at all times for supply purposes.
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Maver's video -like others who filmed the expedition, has been edited in a professional manner and as Gordi
pointed out, music was even 'composed' to accompany the footage.

But if a 'monster' was inserted into the video, the opportunity has to be there to do so. In a surface-reflective
environment where visibility is poor beneath that surface, I'd guess that a straight-down shot would be the best
situation to make sure a photoshopped object could be noticed.

And that brings us to the next puzzle, would it be noticed unless it was pointed out? Then who pointed it out?
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
I see that the 'Richard Outdoors' YouTube channel has removed the original video of the Great Glen Challenge.
tinysurprised
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
(09-29-2021, 12:11 PM)BIAD Wrote: I see that the 'Richard Outdoors' YouTube channel has removed the original video of the Great Glen Challenge.
tinysurprised

Good thing I downloaded it when I did then, huh?

In the video of his companion you posted, I noticed one section where he was talking to the camera, but kept looking over his shoulder. Out in the loch behind him was an oddly behaving wave. He took the camera off himself and briefly zoomed to that area, but nothing was really shown, and he didn't really comment on it, either.

Weird, huh?

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


(09-27-2021, 05:39 PM)gordi Wrote:
(09-25-2021, 06:16 PM)Nomnomine Wrote: I'm pretty sure the photographer himself admitted the Nessie photo was a modified toy submarine. Not to say we know f all about what's really under the waters. Either way, this photo doesn't say much to me. Then again, I was afraid to snorkel in the Caribbean just in case there was a Kraken. ... ... ... Ok maybe I'm crazy, but the original photo was a hoax.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier!

The earliest reported sighting of a creature in Loch Ness actually dates from 565AD!!

from An article in The Scotsman Website :
Quote:The earliest recorded sighting of the aquatic monster was on 22 August 565 AD when it was written that a type of sea creature had attempted to gulp down a local farmer, before being banished back into the water by St Columba - the man responsible for introducing Christianity to Scotland.

En route to meet with a Pictish king, Columba was passing Loch Ness at the time of the attack. He is said to raised his hand, summoning the power of the Almighty and commanding the monster “go back with all speed”...


The "famous" surgeon photo IS indeed a hoax, along with many others, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Nessie doesn't exist!
The legend of the creature goes way way back to a time, many hundreds of years before cameras ever existed!

minusculebeercheers
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I'll be the first to say the unknown underwater exists. Hell man, I was afraid to snorkel in the Caribbean in case of the kraken, lol. Bull sharks make their way into rivers. If I ever get rich, I pledge to purge the oceans. Kidding, but we really should explore the oceans more. Mars be damned, what's in the Pacific? :P
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Sorry I think I got a double post there.

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(09-30-2021, 05:10 AM)Nomnomine Wrote: Sorry I think I got a double post there.

I love you

We Love YOU Too!  tinybigeyes
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(09-30-2021, 03:07 AM)Ninurta Wrote: Good thing I downloaded it when I did then, huh?

In the video of his companion you posted, I noticed one section where he was talking to the camera, but kept looking over his shoulder.
Out in the loch behind him was an oddly behaving wave. He took the camera off himself and briefly zoomed to that area, but nothing
was really shown, and he didn't really comment on it, either.

Weird, huh?

It could be another example of the response to the loch's reputation, any odd wave phenomena -even if you don't believe
the accounts, will make the most cynical of folk wonder if for that one moment, they were wrong!

As I indicated before, the focus that the members of the group who filmed the charity-canoeing tended to stay near their
individual outdoor-camping techniques and part from the light-hearted banter about the competition to win the toy-Nessie,
the legend of the loch wasn't really pushed.

Whether this was deliberate to enhance the idea that it was a group of pragmatic, no-nonsense campers accidently putting
themselves into a 'Woo-Woo' situation for fame, cannot be verified at this point. Their goal was to row for a charity, not film
a mythical underwater creature... or was it?!

And that's the puzzle we're left with. If one-or-more of these men did contrive to fool the public, the consequences could be
bothersome if-and-when it's discovered. If they are innocent of any chicanery and the footage was untouched, what is that
animate object in their drone footage that resembles the plastic Plesiosaur from Talking Turtles.com?!

Another question could arise that if these participants edited their own filming, why didn't they see what some anonymous
viewer saw or were they not looking for something that many people equate with Loch Ness?

However, if -again, none of the canoeing men, the drone-pilot or those who supported the challenge from the land were
involved in altering the footage to show a monster, none of them noticed the odd shape in the drone film during editing 
and none of them purchased a plastic dinosaur for the ruse or even for their kids and finally, if Richard Maver genuinely
uploaded his video to his YouTube channel believing the entire filming of the Great Glen Challenge was just about him
and his cohorts during the experience... then where did that few seconds of a shape emerging from the depths of the
loch come from?

And... who dumped the video off YouTube?
minusculethinking


Edit: In Richard Maver's first YouTube video, he mentions his use of a drone and the entire video to Lochnagar in Scotland
was of him being alone and doing the walk. Hence, he flies a drone -as seen at 25.27 in his first video.
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 
Just a quickie on where the Great Glen Challenge monster-situation is at the first day of October...
it's been forgotten and left as fakery. Although I'm not sure what 'an expert' is in Scottish cryptozoology?!

But notice something in the article below that I hinted at in my last posting, the idea that a section of a video
showing nothing strange in the vicinity where the camper/canoeists were, is shown (I believe near the beginning)
and another segment in the same video -but now with a superimposed dinosaur lurking in the water...
Two versions of the drone-footage on the same video and assumedly both segments filmed by the same person.

This won't do Richard Maver's side-line business of selling outdoor equipment any good, nor be a great advert
for the charity he did the challenge for.
Maybe he's hoping it'll all just die-down.
tinywondering


Quote:Loch Ness Monster experts claim most recent drone video sighting is a 'hoax'

'A video clip captured by a 4k drone that claims to show the Loch Ness Monster has been debunked by experts.
Wild camper Richard Mavor filmed what appears to be a strange creature beneath the waters of the loch close
to the shoreline.

The 54-year-old pilot was filming footage for his Youtube channel, Richard Outdoors, when he accidentally caught
the mysterious shape in the loch in August. The footage quickly hit the headlines and has even been covered by
news outlets in Australia and the US.
However, experts have since set out to test whether they believe what he has captured could actually be Nessie.

Nessie hunter Steve Feltham, who has been living on the shore and watching the loch for nearly 30 years in a bid to
solve the mystery, said when he first viewed the incredible footage he felt a feeling of "deflation".
He said: "There appears to be no natural movement in the object, and an unlikely degree of illumination, I have spent
many hours as a passenger in a microlite flying low over the loch trying to spot a silhouette in the dark waters, and
things just do not show up that clearly, it looks almost like the object is illuminated."

His suspicions are backed up by the YouTube channel ParaBreakdown which has analysed the video and claims a
'toy plesiosaurus' has been digitally added to the footage. Steve, who is recognised by Guinness World Records for
the longest continuous monster-hunting vigil on the loch, added: "Now the video has been proven beyond any doubt
to be a simple hoax.

"Mavors had actually used a small section of the drone footage elsewhere in his holiday video, but the clip he
duplicated did not have the Nessie image superimposed onto it, whereas the drone sequence did."
This means there were now two versions of the same clip, one with 'Nessie' and one without.

Steve said: "It's utter nonsense, a schoolboy mistake in the world of hoaxing, never show the investigators your
‘before and after’ workings. "Someone quickly found the online image of a plesiosaur that he had used to create
the Nessie shape, which he simply superimposed onto his drone footage.

"When a researcher asked to see the original footage he had unfortunately deleted it already, more red flags.
"Lie upon lie upon lie.

"The mystery around what he has done has been completely solved, it's a poorly executed deliberate hoax and
now all that is left is for him to own up." Author and fellow expert Roland Watson, who runs the Loch Ness Mystery
blog, agreed the image is a fake.

He said: "Various people have looked at this and it is beyond reasonable doubt it is CGI using a picture of a
plesiosaur. "Sadly this does not help the cause of solving the real mystery behind thousands of sightings over
centuries."

Steve summed up his feelings on the whole affair by stating that it was important to expose these fakes so that when
the right evidence came along it would be proven genuine, he said: "On this occasion, I have been impressed at the
speed and thoroughness of the Nessie hunting community to pull together and solve the question of what he had done.

"It shows me that there are a lot of people out there who really do care about the integrity of this mystery, and will not
let someone cash in on it with a cheap fake."...'
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