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A few very important details that have been ommited
#1


Good article. Unfortunate that it happened the way it did. Glad to not be on the jury. There is talk of televising the trial. If so, the identities of the jurors need to be protected.


Quote:Who Killed George Floyd?

By Don Brown
American Thinker
September 18, 2020
 
If they get a fair trial, a questionable proposition at best, Minneapolis police officers charged with murdering George Floyd should be acquitted.
 
Let's consider new, undisputed evidence, beyond the initial bystander’s video that we’ve all seen, to understand why.
 
On Memorial Day, around 8 PM, Minneapolis Police are called to a local convenience store. Two suspects passed a fake $20 bill to buy cigarettes. When police arrived, the shop manager pointed across the street, where three suspects sat in a parked vehicle. George Floyd sat behind the wheel.
 
When the officers crossed the street to investigate, two other suspects, another man, and a woman, both black, stepped from the car and politely cooperated.
 
But George argued and disobeyed ten separate commands from officers to keep his hands up. After the tenth order, he finally put his hands on the steering wheel as instructed.
 
As George protested, police walked him across the street to the police cruiser, the vehicle shown in the bystander’s video.
 
That bystander’s video, isolated alone, implies that the officer cruelly forced George onto the ground, then callously put his knee on George's neck, causing George to cry out, pitifully, “I can't breathe.
 
But when a Minnesota judge authorized the release of police body cam footage, a completer and more different story emerged. First, the police never wanted George on the ground at all, and frantically tried getting him into the back of their squad car.
 
But Floyd, a strong six-feet-eight-inches tall, fought police every second, and tried pushing his way out. Police video shows George repeatedly saying, “I can't breathe” long before he was on the ground, and before Officer Chauvin employed the infamous knee-restraint tactic.
 
This is crucial.
 
Claiming to be “claustrophobic” as they ordered him into the back seat, George Floyd demanded to be placed on the ground. So, the officers did not thrust him down to the ground and then put their knee on George’s neck, as the bystander’s video suggests.
 
Let's delve into the evidence.
 
From Officer Thomas Lane's body camera, at 8:09 PM, officers approached George's vehicle, tapped on the window, instructing him to either put his hands up or put his hands on the steering wheel. But George refuses.
 
Ten separate times, police either instructed George to let them see his hands, or to put his hands on the wheel. Finally, George puts his hands on the wheel, protesting he had “not done anything.
 
At 8:17 PM, officers walk George across the street. He keeps arguing, as they order him into the back of the squad car.
 
“I'm claustrophobic,” he claims, twice, resisting as they again order him to sit in the back seat. He screams, fights and resists getting in the squad car.
 
At 8:18:08, still standing beside the car and fighting the officers, he says, for the first time, with no knee on his neck, “I can't breathe, officer!” At this point, police are still ordering him into the back seat.
A bystander urges George to stop fighting. “You can’t win,” the bystander says.
 
George fights anyway.
 
Police push him in the back seat. He keeps resisting.
 
Nine seconds later, fighting from the backseat of the police car, George says three times, in rapid succession, beginning at 8:18:19, “I want to lay on the ground! I want to lay on the ground! I want to lay on the ground!” He repeats it a fourth time, five seconds later, “I want to lay on the ground!”
 
Then, as if he knows he is dying, says, “I’m going down.
 
At 8:18:39, fighting in the backseat, he again says, three times in rapid succession, “I can’t breathe!” Then again,” I can’t breathe.” And then, again, at 8:18:50 repeats, “I can’t breathe!”
 
At this point, George had demanded to be laid on the ground four times and said “I can't breathe” at least six times, while in the back seat of the squad car, with no knee on his neck.
 
At 8:19:06, he again says, “I can't breathe,” for the seventh time.
Of course he can’t breathe. A fentanyl overdose stops a man from breathing.
George fought the officers non-stop for over ten minutes before officers finally removed him from the car and put him down on the ground, beside the squad car, as George himself demanded.
 
Bystanders then film George on the ground, declaring, “I can’t breathe,” as if this was the first time George said, “I can’t breathe,” and as if Officer Chauvin’s knee (not the fentanyl) caused George’s breathing problems.
 
Fox 9 in Minneapolis reported that Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, in a memorandum filed May 26 concluded, “The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.”
 
In other words, Dr. Baker initially ruled out Chauvin’s knee as causing George’s death.
 
In a second memorandum filed June 1, Baker described Floyd’s fentanyl level as “pretty high,” and a potentially “fatal level.
Dr. Baker reported Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, adding, “If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3."
 
In other words, while levels of 3 ng/mL have caused fatal fentanyl overdoses. George ingested nearly four times that amount, or 11 ng/mL of fentanyl, in his bloodstream. In another document, Dr. Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
 
Granted, mounting political pressure led to subsequent private autopsy reports, paid for by the family, showing the cause of death as a combination of both fentanyl and asphyxiation from the officer’s knee.
 
Of course they do.
 
But the prosecution, to obtain a conviction, must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They must prove that the officer’s knee, and not the massive fentanyl dosage, killed George Floyd.
 
That’s a tall order.
 
Not only that, but the infamous, “knee-technique,” which should be banned, was authorized by the Minneapolis PD. Officer Chauvin followed authorized procedure, a technique for keeping a suspect on the ground, after George Floyd had fought officers for over ten minutes, and after, only -- and this is the kicker -- George requested, repeatedly, to lay on the ground.
 
But Chauvin’s knee is a red herring. The issue here is fentanyl.
 
Here's how the respected website, WebMD, describes the effects of fentanyl:
“[F]entanyl has rapid and potent effects on the brain and body, and even very small amounts can be extremely dangerous.
“It only takes a tiny amount of the drug to cause a deadly reaction,” “Fentanyl can depress breathing and lead to death. The risk of overdose is high with fentanyl.
 
Here’s what the CDC says about fentanyl. “It is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine.”
https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/opioids/fentanyl.html
 
Of course George couldn’t breathe -- because fentanyl, mixed with methamphetamines, kills breathing. Despite the bad optics, “I can’t breathe” was not because of the officer’s knee.
 
The medical examiner’s statement on lethal fentanyl, and the previous protestations of “I can’t breathe,” even before he got into the back seat of the squad car, and long before Chauvin applied the notorious “knee” technique, shows that George was already dying from the lethal fentanyl overdose before officers put him in the back seat of the car. That fentanyl, with methamphetamine ingestion, and cannabinoids -- that’s right, George popped some meth alongside the fentanyl, plus a little reefer too -- raises more than a reasonable doubt in favor of these policemen.
 
Here’s the prosecution’s problem - proving beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the officer’s knee, and not the massive fentanyl overdose, that killed George.
 
No one can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, not in this case, that Chauvin killed Floyd, not with any intellectual honesty. George overdosed on fentanyl, and mixed it with meth, and reefer. That’s why he’s dead. Without the overdose, George Floyd would still be alive. The officers should be acquitted.
 
Which begs the question, who killed George Floyd?
 
Sadly, George Floyd killed himself.
 
Don Brown, a former U.S. Navy JAG officer,
 
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The "knee technique" used by the cop does not kill by asphyxiation. It kills by cutting blood flow off to the brain. There is no reason an autopsy should find evidence of asphyxiation.

The knee in his neck did not cause asphyxiation, but it sure as hell didn't help the situation, either. Keeping it there for a couple minutes AFTER Floyd was unconscious didn't help, either, and is enough evidence for me that it was murder. The only reason to keep blood flow to a brain cut off after unconsciousness sets in is an intent to kill. It takes 4 minutes or less after the blood flow is cut off to kill. Floyd's brain was blood deprived by that knee for between 8 and 9 minutes, at least double the killing dose.

I've been "authorized" to do a lot of things I didn't think were prudent, so I didn't do them, authorization or not.

And, finally, since when does the detainee get to call the shots on where he sits? Floyd's request to lay on the ground should have been met with the sound of the patrol car door locks latching while he was inside it.

These cops seem to me to be a bunch of Keystone Kops. Not my call on whether they should do time, but they sure as hell should never work again as cops.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


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(09-20-2020, 06:59 AM)Ninurta Wrote: The "knee technique" used by the cop does not kill by asphyxiation. It kills by cutting blood flow off to the brain. There is no reason an autopsy should find evidence of asphyxiation.

The knee in his neck did not cause asphyxiation, but it sure as hell didn't help the situation, either. Keeping it there for a couple minutes AFTER Floyd was unconscious didn't help, either, and is enough evidence for me that it was murder. The only reason to keep blood flow to a brain cut off after unconsciousness sets in is an intent to kill. It takes 4 minutes or less after the blood flow is cut off to kill. Floyd's brain was blood deprived by that knee for between 8 and 9 minutes, at least double the killing dose.

I've been "authorized" to do a lot of things I didn't think were prudent, so I didn't do them, authorization or not.

And, finally, since when does the detainee get to call the shots on where he sits? Floyd's request to lay on the ground should have been met with the sound of the patrol car door locks latching while he was inside it.

These cops seem to me to be a bunch of Keystone Kops. Not my call on whether they should do time, but they sure as hell should never work again as cops.

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Cant argue with what you wrote. But this was a no win, if they had left him in the car wile he was screaming to be put on the ground, it would be "The pigs left him in the car to die" The whole thing feels like a set up to me.
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Not going to be a fair trial. They need a sacrificial lamb. Who in this country has not heard of this situation? Imagine if the cops get found not guilty, the rioting would triple in size. Remember, we now live in a country where you are not responsible for your actions. Everyone gets a trophy, even criminals.
minusculechairshot
#5
Yeah, this is going to be a shit-show trial.  I think the jurors are going to be threatened to find them guilty, even if the evidence shows they aren't.
The cop who put his knee on his neck should be charged with something, but, was it intentional murder?  I don't know. I don't know what was going through his mind at the time.

If the cops are let off, get ready for fireworks like we haven't seen yet. minusculespooked
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(09-20-2020, 11:52 AM)Wallfire Wrote: Cant argue with what you wrote. But this was a no win, if they had left him in the car wile he was screaming to be put on the ground, it would be "The pigs left him in the car to die" The whole thing feels like a set up to me.

When you put 'em in the car, it's for transport to lockdown. Now I grant that he probably would have died during transport, but there would have been no video of a cop closing off his carotid artery for BLM to hang their hat on, and the drug overdose would have been much easier to promote, as it would have been the only explanation for the death.

Controlling someone by their neck is always a bad business. If I have someone down, and I want them to stay down without killing them, I control their head, not their neck. No one can go anywhere that their head does not go first. If anyone does not believe that, try this: lay down on a floor, and let a kid put ONE FINGER on the forehead, between the eyes, and then try to get up.

Skulls are harder to crush than carotid arteries. A knee on his head would have been a better choice if the cop just HAD to knee him somewhere to verify his virility.

I have used necks a few times, but never when my opponent was already down. Once I lifted a guy by his neck and pinned him against a brick wall with his feet off the ground and dangling. he couldn't get any purchase to continue fighting, and it took all the fight right out of him. Another time I dragged a guy across his own desk by his adam's apple, but he did most of the work and fairly jumped across the desk once I got a grip on him. It seems he really didn't want that adam's apple to be damaged, and gave his complete co-operation to that end in crossing the desk.

Carotid holds like that are for putting folks beddy-bye without killing them, or taking out sentries by holding it longer than necessary until they are dead.

That department either needs a better hand to hand combat instructor, or else they need to ban killing holds in non-lethal situations.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’


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(09-20-2020, 06:59 AM)Ninurta Wrote: And, finally, since when does the detainee get to call the shots on where he sits? Floyd's request to lay on the ground should have been met with the sound of the patrol car door locks latching while he was inside it.

These cops seem to me to be a bunch of Keystone Kops. Not my call on whether they should do time, but they sure as hell should never work again as cops.

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i've been  told by quite a few police officers that's it's a common practice to remove a combative/ resisting suspects from the car for the suspects protection or to place them in hobble or wrap restraints, or to prevent them from bang their heads against the doors or shields between the front and back seat, kick windows out and cut themselves, and if there are actual or a possibility of life threatening circumstances it is easier for responding emt's to access them outside the car.
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(09-20-2020, 07:23 PM)hounddoghowlie Wrote: i've been  told by quite a few police officers that's it's a common practice to remove a combative/ resisting suspects from the car for the suspects protection or to place them in hobble or wrap restraints, or to prevent them from bang their heads against the doors or shields between the front and back seat, kick windows out and cut themselves, and if there are actual or a possibility of life threatening circumstances it is easier for responding emt's to access them outside the car.

That's true, but they didn't hobble him - no hobbles could even be seen - they cut off blood flow to his brain. He was immobilized on the ground, and with 4 of them working on him, they could have had him hobbled in short order.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’




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