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The Roswell Flying Saucer Crash Incident and Government UFO Cover Up
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Staying with Wallfire's missile posting...


If there was one thing I could never understand about the so-called Roswell Incident was that if the ragged scraps of
foil, wooden-supports for the targets the illustrated tape that held the silver material to the 'unbreakable' sticks and the
balloon itself, were just commonplace in that area of New Mexico, then why confuse the public by announcing you had
a flying disc?

Regardless of a classified project to acquire atmospheric particles to prove the Soviets had tested a nuclear device, why not
just say it was another weather balloon and fudge the records? In fact we can go further and ask why didn't the Roswell Army
Air force Base lazily comment that a test rocket had veered off course, nose-dived or exploded in mid-air?

A week before the Roswell Incident, on May 29, 1947, a modified V-2 rocket, called a Hermes B-1 vehicle, which was a highly
classified top secret project at the time, was launched and somehow inadvertently got wires physically crossed in the guidance
system.

Instead of heading up range toward the north as intended, the rocket headed south, slamming into the Tepeyac Cemetery across
the border in Mexico, a mile and a half outside the city of Ciudad Juarez. Travelling at the speed of sound, the crazy rocket blew a
25 foot deep hole in the ground and left damage 30 feet in diameter, which we can all agree should be something we quietly sweep
under the carpet.

It seems the Nazi scientists of 'Paperclip' weren't the geniuses we'd taken them for because it wasn't their first or last screw-up.
However, 120 minutes later, recovery teams had slipped over the border and retrieved what wreckage was left. Phew.

Two weeks before the US began unintentionally bombing Mexico, another Hermes B-1 rocket crashed out in the desert east of the
impact zone on the outskirts of Alamagordo, New Mexico. Being sparsely populated at the time, the tales of wayward flying torpedoes
get lost very easily and of course, records were immediately classified.
But it shows 'impact zones' were a thing and that Wernher von Braun's inventions had the capacity to not do what they were told.

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To date, they were at least four others fired from the White Sands V-2 Launching Site known as 'Complex 33', but I'm sure there
were more. Again, the records regarding this place were classified until recently.

So was it these experimental rockets - ancestors of Wallfire's silo-sitting bad-asses, that the military were hiding...?
Was it the sensitive nature where testing can go awry that caused Col. Blanchard to phone his public information officer of the 509th
Bomb -Walter Haut and tell him to announce we had a flying disc on our hands?

It sort-of makes sense, a highly-secretive device comes down in a place where the US public could be in danger and to vent-off any
concerns, the military uses a trend of the time to titillate the media with 'men-from'Mars' and later retract it.
The material is unrecognisable, whatever the post-Nazi scientists were trying was classified, so a cover-story seems the natural way
to go.
But would you do that for a balloon...? Why not just say it was a balloon?

Just like the rocket that took a trip down Mexico way, I think the original narrative may have gotten its wires crossed. Mac Brazel had
already given his account of what he'd found on the Foster ranch to the local radio station and possibly to whoever else he'd come into
contact with.

Brazel didn't recognise the material, his comments of the unusual qualities of the material were a problem and if you throw in the
eye-witness 'glowing-lights-in-the-sky' reports of the evening before the wreckage discovery, maybe Blanchard thought that instead
of denying they had a 'disc' in their possession, he could take the story and control it.

Such damaged material would be flown out from Roswell for examination to see what went wrong and of course, to keep away from
prying eyes. It's a bit weak, I admit, but the only alternative was that the Base Commander was merely telling the truth.
And he may well have been telling the truth if he'd been kept out of the loop that anything from White Sands had disappeared from
radar-tracking and crash landed somewhere.
.....................................

In 1947 the radar equipment used at White Sands was said to be composed of SCR-584 mobile units.
These were classed as "modified and of an experimental nature". These units were set onto a trailer and though had a gross weight of
ten tons, known as mobile.
On 14th October 1947, these radar vehicles tracked Chuck Yeager in his record breaking supersonic flight of the Bell X-1 over Muroc Dry
Lake as he accelerated to a speed of Mach 1.06 at an altitude of 42,000 feet.

Some might wonder what radar has anything to do with a suspected downed flying-saucer, but since we tend to think of this kind of
technology as a single source transmitting and receiving electromagnetic waves in the radio or microwaves domain, what was going
on down in White Sands was completely different.

A 1991 book written by G. Harry Stine titled 'ICBM' explained that for the White Sands Missile Range V-2 testing program in the 1940's
there were cameras, radars (including SCR-584 Doppler radio positioning  system) and tracking telescopes linked with 100,000 miles of
open wires run by the US Army Signal Corps. All under the blanket of secrecy at the time and so, possibly unknown to Blanchard.

This means a vast electrical field-grid laying across that desert area and if this could interfere with a passing disc's flight, then we may
have the source why some of the early rumours that came out regardiing the Roswell Incident were that the Army had brought down
the unknown craft with the use of radar.

Not included in that on-base array were many interconnected "beyond the fence" remote sites. For example, in 1947 there was a radar
site for far-field tracking of missiles launched from White Sands located just north of U.S. 60 about forty-five miles west of Socorro,
New Mexico.
Again, an interference that we know little of when it comes to these discs, but if such a flyover took place, then surely the radar screens
would've registered its movements and maybe even where it crashed.
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But it's all still jigsaw pieces and whether the debris Brazel found and the possible larger crash-site near Capitan belonged to aliens,
the remains of a V2 rocket or just a storm-damaged balloon, the need to remove it from the Roswell base on the same day -or even
before, of the disc press-release is very telling.
And so it went to Fort Worth... where we should go next.

Here's the schedule for the White Sands missile launch.
It's curious on who these launches were for. Telephones?

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Now... where are we at? Oh yes, some stuff finally arrives at Roswell Army Air force Base.
I'm hoping that at some point, we can get to Fort Worth Texas with the same militaristic-haste that the debris, Marcel and
his superiors showed during that week in July 1947.

The confusing dates, the images that are said to be from the Roswell Army Base -when in fact, are from Carswell Army Base
in Fort Worth and the surprising morning visits to Colonel Blanchard's office from a General and his Brigadier General.
All for the sake of some scraps of a weather-balloon?

Unless, what we're really talking about is TWO separate collections of material, the scraps of foil and un-burnable 'sticks' that
Mac Brazel found on his sheep-herding land, and something else reported to have been found by civilians near the northern
area of the Capitan mountain range the evening before the rancher's finding.

But can that be proven...? Could we be dealing with a misdirection ploy here?
It seemed that only later in the years that researchers became aware of the indication of a second interesting location and with
it, more players stepped up to offer what they said they knew.

Part of RAAF public information officer Walter Haut's press-release from Tuesday 8th July 1947. Dictated to him via telephone
from Colonel William Blanchard:

"...The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week.
Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office,
who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office.

Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell
Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."

However, after Haut died, a sealed affidavit surfaced that didn't quite tally with what the Roswell Base information officer
first claimed.


Quote:DATE:  December 26, 2002
WITNESS:  Chris Xxxxxx
NOTARY:  Beverlee Morgan

(1) My name is Walter G. Haut
(2) I was born on June 2, 1922
(3)  My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203
(4)  I am retired.

(5)  In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public
Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private
residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

(6)  I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by mid-morning after my return to duty
at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base
commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site
just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.  Besides Blanchard,
Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses
S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his
chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance.

The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx.
75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. 
Samples of wreckage were passed around the table.  It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which
resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from
man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. 
Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. 
Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location.
Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed.
I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession
a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters.
I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world.
Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home
and "hide out."

(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located
on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside
and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. 

It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. 
Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic.  No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin.
Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.
The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child.
At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

(15)  I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

(16)  Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office
and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out
of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup.
 I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

(19)  I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.

(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed:  Walter G. Haut
December 26, 2002

Signature witnessed by:
Chris Xxxxxxx
SOURCE:
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This -if true, puts a different slant on why Brazel's discovery was focused on and why it was felt that General Ramey and Brig.
General Dubose had to fly out to Roswell on the day after the retrieval. Later, when the alleged debris was transported back
to Fort Worth, the images -that are now well known, don't even identify Dubose sitting with Ramey during an examination of
some material in the General's office!

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General Ramey, Brig. General Dubose and the photo take from the Star-Telegraph newspaper.

This may seem odd at first until realising the problem of Brig. Gen. Thomas Jefferson Dubose reporting to have said to have
never actually seen the Roswell debris, which as the photo from the Star-Telegraph of Fort Worth, proves false.
That is, if we assume the debris in the photograph is the same material Mac Brazel found and Major Marcel brought to the Base.

As Dubose stated plainly in his affidavit:
"The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. 
The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press."

This means the material taken to 'higher headquarters' could have been the more substantial unknown hardware retrieved from
the Capitan location and not appropriate material to display to the public. Added to that, what if part of that discovery needed
urgent medical assistance due to it still being alive? What if this crashed vehicle held occupants?!

So you can see why the media's attention had be kept on a curious tale of 'is-it-or-isn't-it' until such times that a downed disc
could be removed and taken to a place of security. This would make sense when Dubose also spoke of an earlier, highly secret
shipment of debris ordered by Gen. Clements McMullen (Deputy Commander of the Strategic Air Command) in Washington.

Dubose also added that a Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright
Patterson AFB] would take possession of this material via a 'colonel courier' at a later date.

Still think it was a weather-balloon?!


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Quote:Still think it was a weather-balloon?!
@BIAD  NOPE!  tinysure
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Without tarrying on cases like Glen Dennis -Roswell's Undertaker and others who came out of the woodwork
during Stanton Friedman's later investigation of the Roswell incident, it might be prudent to look at those in the
military who witnessed the transportation of the wreckage of the supposed weather-balloon.

Considering the crumpled foil and tape-covered sticks' ordinariness, one may be puzzled why such interest from
the 'higher-ups' was enough that the debris had to be flown to one -if not more, other military bases.
But it is an indication that something wasn't quite right with -what many people around that area of New Mexico
would've thought, an everyday event.

First Lieutenant Robert Shirkey was an Assistant Flight Safety Officer at Roswell Army Air field in July of 1947
and he recalled an unusual situation during the time of the flying-saucer affair.

Being notified that a B-29 Superfortress was ordered by Col. Blanchard to be readied and was waiting outside
of the Base Operations Quarters, Shirkey ordered a crew to prepare the flight for 2.00.pm. on that day, 8th July
(Tuesday).

1st. Lt. Shirkey witnessed -accompanied by Col. Blanchard, several boxes being brought out to the plane's ramp
and loaded into the B-29. At the two o'clock, the four-engined heavy bomber took off for Fort Worth Texas.
He also partially saw what the carried boxes contained:

"...One man had a piece, carrying under his arm right out in the open, about 16 by 22, coffee table sized.
Maj. Jesse Marcel went through carrying this box with scraps of metal in it and one of the I-beams sticking
up in the corner.
Meanwhile a staff car had pulled up underneath the tail and they were handing some boxes up into the back
door entrance..."

But that wasn't the end of Shirkey's involvement in the crashed weather-balloon aspect. Being the Assistant Flight
Safety Officer, he was connected with two other flights involving something top secret that was to be taken from the
Roswell military base. Several days later, a B-25 was scheduled to take something to Fort Worth and a third flight
was a B-29 going directly to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.
The pilot for the Wright Patterson flight was Oliver "Pappy" Henderson, someone we will get back to.

Up to now, we're still dealing with material, confusing scraps of foil, 'I-beams' and -what Lt. Shirkey described as:
"...one piece that was 18 x 24 inches, brushed stainless steel in color...". Major Marcel is reported to still be with the
wreckage, but Counter-Intelligence agent, Captain Sheridan Cavitt -who accompanied Marcel at the Foster Ranch
is no longer mentioned. Marcel also boarded the B-25 and flew with the weather-balloon to Fort Worth because of
its importance... the remains of a weather-balloon.

Considering that the poor discoverer of this debris -Mac Brazel, had now been 'quarantined' in the same place that
the stuff was being stored, the haste to get the material off the base and to where it could be better-secured, and
the high status of rank involved, Brazel's original comments of the material's qualities don't seem that bizarre.

You don't don't fly broken weather-balloons -escorted by a Major, to other sites for identification, you just don't.
You don't arrest a man and keep him away from the media, his family and the general public for nine days, either.
You don't have the FBI threaten -via teletype machine, a local Radio Station (KOAT Radio in Albuquerque) to:
'immediately cease all communication' on Brazel's discovery, you just don't.

But you would if the material belonged to something that was vital to the country's security, you would if what the
rancher found was somehow attached to another discovery, that of a downed craft with real goddam aliens strewn
around the place!

Anyway, 1st  Lieutenant Robert Shirkey had something more to add regarding the second flight of the B-25 to the
Carswell Base at Fort Worth:
"...I learned later that a Sergeant and some airmen went to the crash site and swept up everything, including bodies. 
The bodies were laid out in Hanger 84. Henderson's flight contained all that material..."

Oh sh'*t, the tale has taken a sudden turn!
It was fine following a narrative of a few armfuls of broken weather equipment and the small-town musings of something
that was all the rage in the press, but 'bodies'...?

Shirkey also noted that within two weeks after both flights, the Sergeant of the Guards and all the crewmen involved in
the removal of the material from Roswell, were shipped out to other bases and ergo separated. Shirkey -himself, was
transferred to the Philippines only nine days later to a post that did not even exist!
(Nine days, the same amount of time Brazel was a 'guest' at the Base.)

Could it be that this second flight was later because of the logistics to retrieve whatever a second crash-site contained
took longer? Shirkey mentions Hangar 84 and that does still exist. The large shelter on the Roswell  Air Field is still in
a good condition, but back then... could the hangar have been the setting of actual alien dead bodies?

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Hangar 84 then and now.

If we're moving into a narrative where other-world corpses and a crashed vehicle are involved, then the delay in recovery
-compared to a few boxes of light-weight scraps would make sense. The only puzzle is why move the entire collection from
the hangar? Surely any investigation and analysis could've been done on-site within the guarded base, unless the material
was so important that it had to be removed from the immediate area due to the announcement earlier that day of a crashed
flying-saucer capture.
Or that someone else -apart from the media, could come looking for it?!

Also, notice that Blanchard is still involved on the 8th July, even though an official order had been signed on 6th July 1947
stating that Lieutenant Colonel  A.C. Payne Jennings was to take command of the Roswell Army Air Force Base on the 8th.

Colonel William Blanchford -if some researchers are to be believed, should have been on leave from his command position
from Tuesday 8th July. Yet, he's reported to have ordered his Public Information Officer -Lt. Walter G. Haut, to announce the
capture of a downed-disc on that day and later, took a few days off with his wife enjoying the hospitality of Santa Fe.

That's quite a sh*t-creek to leave the guy who's covering your position, in! But to understand what was really happening, we
would have to look at the situation through the eyes of someone who took a more security-based view on what they actually
had in that Hangar 84.

Blanchard had done his job, but screwed-up with the press release. LT. Colonel Jennings, an officer held in high regard for
his work as commanding officer of the Air Transport Unit during the Bikini-Atoll  atomic bomb testing, had taken charge and
in my view, was given the task of making the problem go away.

Assistant Flight Safety Officer Shirkey stated the plane to the Carswell Base in Texas was piloted by Lt. Col. Payne Jennings.
By the way, do you know who flew Lt. Shirkey nine days later to San Francisco on a B-29 to hasten his transfer to the islands
in Southeast Asia...? No other than Lt. Col. Payne Jennings!

The other connection to Col. Jennings and someone else we've already mentioned, is a link to the pilot who flew the B-29 to
Wright-Patterson, that being Oliver Henderson. If you recall, Jennings was the commanding officer in the transporting system
during the atom bomb tests in mid-1946. 

Pappy' Henderson -named due to being older than his fellow squadron pilots in the World War II, spent over thirteen years at the
Roswell base running the 'Green Hornet Airline'. This transport service involved flying C-54s and C-47s, carrying VIPs, scientists
and materials from Roswell to the Pacific during the same atom bomb tests that Lt. Col. Jennings was involved with.
This certainly assured Henderson would have a top secret clearance for this responsibility.
Both logistical no-nonsense officers and did what they were told.

At the beginning of the eighties, Oliver Henderson's wife -Saffo, stated in regards of a newspaper article on aliens, that he had
witnessed such beings during their time at Roswell, New Mexico. He told her that he had actually flown the wreckage of a craft
to Dayton, Ohio and due to his clearance, got the opportunity to see the dead bodies of such extraterrestrials.
He added that it was this top secret burden that had stopped him from discussing the incident with her earlier.

Saffo related her husband's description: "...the beings as small with large heads for their size. 
He said the material that their suits were made of was different than anything he had ever seen. 
He said they looked strange.  I believe he mentioned that the bodies had been packed in dry ice
to preserve them..."
Henderson died in 1986.
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So now we have some partial remains of a weather-balloon-come-flying-saucer dumped onto the floor of General Roger Ramey's
office at the Carswell Base and a facility in Ohio that dealt with a German  V-1 flying bomb that was reversed engineered in 1944.

Wright Patterson Base also held German and Japanese aircraft and captured equipment the year before. This material was kept
in six buildings, a large outdoor storage area, and part of a flight-line hangar for Technical Data Lab study.
An ideal place to analyse deceased pilots and experiment on a crashed flying-saucer they had flown.

But why have the small pieces laid out in Ramey's office...? Oh yes, for the media, of course. Sadly, along with the scraps of
foil ready for the scrambling press, Major Marcel -the man who'd never stopped believing what he'd brought back fro the ranch
was 'not of this Earth', waited for the scribbling minions and their flash-bulb cameras.

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Five airmen demonstrate a radar device being attached to a weather balloon at Fort Worth Army Air Base
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@BIAD 
Excellent article you found.
There was a crash and bodies and I believe just maybe one or two Aliens survived.

I also understand that was not the only crash site recovered.
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