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Kiss Hong Kong goodbye
#1
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...ore-168200

Quote:U.S. Intelligence Positions Hong Kong as Proxy Conflict With China – Thankfully President Trump Sees Trap…
Posted on August 13, 2019 by sundance
The situation in Hong Kong is a geopolitical dynamic that will likely become much more volatile in the next few weeks, months and/or years.  One constant in an ever-changing universe is how the UniParty in DC will attempt to drag the U.S. into the issues.
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First, Hong Kong is China.  Whether a generation of people look back with regret to the time when Great Britain ceded the territory to Beijing is irrelevant.  China has, and will have, full control over Hong Kong; and that’s the way it is.  This will not be reversed.
Any effort for the people within Hong Kong to reverse the situation and escape the clutches of oppressive communism while retaining their liberty will only lead to massive bloodshed.
Unfortunately for Hong Kong, as President Trump decouples the U.S. economy from the duplicitous communist Chinese enterprise, Beijing will grasp more control over the heavily Western-influenced economic strata in/around Hong Kong.

[Image: trump-kim-summit-11.jpg?w=300&h=200]Stand back and look at the bigger picture.  President Trump has neutralized, essentially made irrelevant, Beijing’s use of their proxy province, North Korea.  President Trump has embraced Kim Jong-un, not as much out of a position of warmth – but rather as a tactic to block China from weaponizing the DPRK as leverage during the U.S-China trade confrontation.
Beijing still uses their influence to shoot rockets, test missiles etc and president Trump ignores it now.  Why?  Because North Korea already has nuclear missiles; they’re the same nuclear missiles China has… and it is silly now to think China will remove their nuclear missiles to gain an economic benefit.
If U.S. policy isn’t trying to remove nuclear weapons from China, then why would U.S. policy try to remove nuclear weapons from the DPRK.?  They’re the same nukes.
Losing their DPRK leverage, and understanding Beijing has no direct tools to defeat the U.S. in an direct economic confrontation, means China will look elsewhere. That’s where Hong Kong comes into play.
[Always remember, despite the U.S. tariffs on China, there are no tariffs on Hong Kong]
Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator for life in Chairman Xi Jinping?  Sure we do.  But they made these choices decades ago… now they have the consequences.
If Hong Kong tries to resist Beijing, they will be crushed.  Hundreds more will be arrested and disappeared.  Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, will be killed.  There is already a ongoing flight of wealth out of Hong Kong as the smart and wealthy position their assets overseas to survive the arrival of Beijing’s storm troopers.
The future for Hong Kong is dark.  It is not going to end in anything resembling what exists today.  Hong Kong will be Beijing 2.0, and will be entirely dominated by Chinese authoritarian rule.  The difference in 2019 is the speed at which it is happening.
Things are speeding up now in direct proportion to the severity of the U.S. decoupling our economy from China.   As the Chinese economy weakens, Beijing will get more desperate.
Many voices around President Trump will cry out for intervention.  The UniParty will demand intervention and decry President Trump’s instinct to stay away from the self-made crisis.
It is not our issue; and engaging in Hong Kong only opens up another pathway for China to play the duplicitous leverage game…. Beijing will play the “we’ll spare, delay, or dilute the Hong Kong absorption, if you agree to our trade terms” game. [lies, lies, lies]
President Trump needs to engage with China and Hong Kong as one nation, under one rule, with one motive and intent.   Trying to win a Chinese trade conflict while parsing the economy of China from the economy of Hong Kong, is like trying to parse the nukes in China from the nukes in North Korea.
Hong Kong is lost.  Hong Kong belongs to China.  Thousands of Hong Kongers will be killed or disappeared into camps as Beijing absorbs the region.  The U.S. cannot continue to engage globally in an effort to protect nations from the consequences of their own decisions.
If Great Britain wants to send an armada of battle ships to warn Beijing against aggression with Hong Kong, then we should support.  Wait… wha?  Oh, Great Britain no longer has a Navy because the high-minded EU collective wanted to hold hands and sing ‘we-are-the-world’ instead of planning to defend its interests for the past twenty years….  I digress.
Hong Kong is not our issue.
The CIA will try to make it our issue.  The State Department will try to make it our issue.  The UniParty in DC will try to make it our issue.  John Bolton will try to make it our issue. Activists in Hong Kong will try to make it our issue.  All of the far-left globalists will try to make it our issue….  Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue; but it’s not our issue.
We pray for peace and send our prayers, but we cannot succeed in the larger economic confrontation with cunning China if we attempt to ignore the direct connective tissue between Beijing and Hong Kong.
Instead, start applying the Chinese tariffs on Hong Kong as soon as Beijing tanks arrive.
Tough love.
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#2
That's a pretty excellent analysis.

It does seem to me that Hong Kong is a game piece in some international chess.

All of the Usual Suspects, as mentioned, will agitate for US involvement, when the only winning move is to not get involved and instead apply the fate of Mainland China to Hong Kong as well when push comes to shove. The mentioned "Usual Suspects" are not all Left Wingers - on the surface. John Bolton for one. he's supposed to be a Republican, isn't he?

But he's not. He's a Neocon, a "former" left wing faction seeking to complete a takeover of the Republicans. It was Irving Kristol, I believe, the father of the Neocon Conspiracy, who outright stated that Neocons are liberals who grew a conscience, or something like that. They are NOT Conservatives, and had they succeeded in taking over the republican party (which they nearly did, and still might), then we would be governed by a single party under two separate names. All of the name-calling and apparent animosity between liberals and Neocons was just for show, to try to distance the two in hopes of pulling the wool over Conservative eyes.

The same applies here - all of the name-calling, gnashing of teeth, and talk of intervention by US "Progressives" like Pelosi, Cortez, and Schumer will be for show, in an attempt to distance them from the Communist Party of China. Same goes for neocons like Bolton. They expect they can divide and conquer by making a show of division where there really is no division. By talking the US into a display of intervention, they would put the US at a severe disadavantage in the Bigger Game afoot.

The overall goal here is Globalist. They want to rule one big unified Earth, all under the Globalist banner, with a Communist political structure for all.

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#3
Here's an interesting view of China's control regarding Hong Kong and may explain the UK's balefulness
with what's happening in one of its past colonies.



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#4
Most of us knew it was coming we just needed to figure out how it would be forced down the throats of the citizens of Hong Kong.

IMO Thacher should have made the offer of British citizenship to the inhabitants of Hong Kong when she gave the Island back to The communist country of mainland China but she believed (just as many did) that a one country two government rule would work as China would be more civilized and westernized given time. At least Briton could have had a hard working bunch of people from Hong Kong instead of the many uneducated free loaders from the M.E...

Yes a different time back then as the west thought if we helped the CCP they would become more western and civilized.. That sounded great obviously as many believed it would work... In reality all it did was embolden the CCP/PLA to do as they please to whom they please...
Now the question becomes what the west will end up doing as far as trade agreements with Hong Kong (no tariffs) as China seems to be out of favor at present..
Quote:BEIJING: China's parliament said Thursday it will introduce a proposal for a national security law in Hong Kong at its annual session, in a move likely to stoke unrest in the financial hub.

Beijing has made clear it wants new security legislation passed after the semi-autonomous city was rocked by seven months of massive and sometimes violent pro-democracy protests last year.

"This is the end of Hong Kong, this is the end of One Country, Two Systems, make no mistake about it," Civic Party lawmaker Dennis Kwok told reporters.

Pro-democracy lawmaker Tanya Chan said Beijing had "shown zero respect for Hong Kong people" by attempting to enact the law without consultation.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/192209...ter-unrest
COVID slowed the game plan down but it was never shelved with regard to the crack down....IMO

Much of S.E. Asia pussy foots around anything that might be considered negative about the CCP.

IMO they have to to a certain extent as China's trade and tourist account for billions of dollars in GDP. It is not nice to mess with the CCP as they have a habit of black balling anyone who even frowns at them.

China to impose sweeping national security law in Hong Kong, bypassing city's legislature
Quote:HONG KONG - China's Communist Party will impose a sweeping national security law in Hong Kong by fiat during the annual meeting of its top political body, officials said Thursday, criminalizing "foreign interference" along with secessionist activities and subversion of state power.

The move is the boldest yet from Beijing to undercut Hong Kong's autonomy and bring the global financial hub under its full control, as it works to rewrite the "one country, two systems" framework that has allowed the territory to enjoy a level of autonomy for the past 23 years.

After steadily eroding Hong Kong's political freedoms, Beijing signaled that the national security law will be a new tool that allows it to directly tackle the political dissent that erupted on Hong Kong's streets last year. The months-long and sometimes violent protests began last June and fizzled out only over public health concerns related to the coronavirus outbreak.

The new tactic marks an escalation in Beijing's crackdown in the former British colony and the clearest indication that it views Hong Kong as a restive region to be brought to heel after last year's protests.
The city's future has become a point of contention in the intensifying rivalry between China and the United States; on Wednesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Washington was "closely watching what's going on" in Hong Kong. Pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong have directly appealed to Washington for intervention, frequently waving American flags on the streets, and see themselves as the last bastion of resistance against an increasingly assertive Beijing under President Xi Jinping.
Other than doing something about the tariffs along with the favorable banking and trading agreements just what does anyone expect the USA or other western powers to do other than blow hot air ? Bad situation and I truly am sorry for the people of Hong Kong who know what freedom from the CCP/PLA means.

I have spent some time in Hong Kong back in the 70s and had a great time. The people were hard working straight forward more like the Taiwanese than the mainland communist control freaks. I have friends who have done manufacturing in mainland China one of them yesterday said if someone nuked the CCP headquarters during a meeting China would be 10,000 better off.... I would say he is not a CCP/PLA respecter or lover by any stretch !
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/artic...285627.php
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#5
I think this is a way that the CCP is trying to draw attention away from the virus. If they do "invade" HK the world will move back to the old "TUT TUT bad people" and do nothing.
At the moment the world is very pissed off at the CCP and many countries are pulling out of China and starting to build everything they need at home.
Or perhaps the CCP fear a revolution at home and want to show the people they still have teeth.
I dont know but it looks like no matter what the poor Chinese people will have to suffer once again.
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#6
The Liberals will claim this is to protect the Hong Kong Peoples from the Virus.
Once A Rogue, Always A Rogue!
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#7
With facing up to 4 years in jail or worse you gotta hand it to the citizens of Hong Kong for not bending over and taking it from the CCP. Problem is, signs and chants do not do much to deter a determined police force or a military tasked with breaking up any protest..
www.cnn.com...
Updated 1212 GMT (2012 HKT) May 24, 2020
Quote:Protesters march along a downtown street during a pro-democracy protest against Beijing's national security legislation in Hong Kong, Sunday, May 24, 2020.
Several thousand people marched nevertheless, chanting slogans which became a familiar refrain in the city during the over six months of anti-government unrest, including "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our times."


They were met with water cannons and tear gas in many cases after the government called the protest illegal.. China has the fastest laws in the east if anyone does something they do not approve of IMO...But they only make the laws if someone is watching...just ask the Uyghars.

The only reason it has taken the CCP this long to move against Hong Kong is world opinion and the money this would have cost them IMO.

At one time Hong Kong was a big slice of China's GDP 18% and now because of the mainland China's growth Hong Kong only represents 3%.
www.vox.com...

Quote:When China gained control of Hong Kong in 1997, it represented an economically significant addition to the territory under Beijing's control. Mainland China had almost 200 times as many people as Hong Kong, yet they did not even produce six times as much stuff. In the 17 years since the handover, though, the Chinese economy has grown a lot faster than Hong Kong's economy has:


I wish them luck in Hong Kong but.... I would not put money on a positive outcome for the residents as I have total faith in the ruthlessness of the CCP/PLA.
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