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Ethiopian Airlines crash en route to Kenya
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There were no survivors in this crash that took the lives of all 157 aboard.  The plane had just lifted off when the pilot sent out a distress call and was given clearance to return to the airport; they didn't make it.

The picture of the wreckage shows the devastating impact, with little left from the plane. This, and the fact that there were 30 nationalities aboard makes me question if this was deliberate. Who was aboard that NEW plane that someone wanted taken out?

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In this photo taken from the Ethiopian Airlines Facebook page, the CEO of Ethiopian Airlines, Tewolde Gebremariam, looks at the wreckage of the plane that crashed shortly after takeoff from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, Sunday March 10, 2019. An Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed shortly after takeoff from Ethiopia's capital on Sunday morning, killing all 157 people thought to be on board, the airline and state broadcaster said, as anxious families rushed to airports in Addis Ababa and the destination, Nairobi. (Facebook via AP)


I'm sure there will be more coming out on this breaking story once the passenger list is made available, and we can start digging into the backstory of who's who.

Quote:ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia (AP) — An Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed shortly after takeoff from Ethiopia's capital on Sunday morning, killing all 157 on board, authorities said, as grieving families rushed to airports in Addis Ababa and the destination, Nairobi. More than 30 nationalities were among the dead.

It was not immediately clear what caused the crash of the Boeing 737-8 MAX plane, which was new and had been delivered to the airline in November. The pilot sent out a distress call and was given clearance to return, the airline's CEO told reporters.

The state-owned Ethiopian Airlines, widely considered the best-managed airline in Africa, calls itself Africa's largest carrier and has ambitions of becoming the gateway to the continent. It is known as an early buyer of new aircraft as it assertively expands.
The airline said 149 passengers and eight crew members were thought to be on the plane. Kenyans, Canadians, Chinese, Americans, Ethiopians, Italians, French, British, Egyptians, Indians, Slovakians and others were among the dead, said the airline's CEO, Tewolde Gebremariam.

The plane crashed six minutes after departing Addis Ababa on its way to Kenya's capital, plowing into the ground at Hejere near Bishoftu, or Debre Zeit, some 50 kilometers (31 miles) south of Addis Ababa, at 8:44 a.m.

The airline later published a photo showing its CEO standing in the wreckage. Little of the plane could be seen in the freshly churned earth, under a blue sky.

The CEO "expresses his profound sympathy and condolences to the families and loved ones of passengers and crew who lost their lives in this tragic accident," the post on social media said.

The plane had showed unstable vertical speed after takeoff, air traffic monitor Flightradar 24 said in a Twitter post. Visibility was clear.

The airline has said 157 people were thought to be on board. State broadcaster EBC reported that 33 nationalities were among the victims. The airline's CEO said those included 32 Kenyans and nine Ethiopians.

Authorities said other victims include 18 Canadians; eight each from China, the United States and Italy; seven each from France and Britain; six from Egypt; five from the Netherlands and four each from India and Slovakia. Spain's foreign ministry said two Spanish nationals were on the passenger list.

The Ethiopian prime minister's office offered its "deepest condolences" to families. "My prayers go to all the families and associates of those on board," Kenya's President Uhuru Kenyatta said.

The Addis Ababa-Nairobi route links East Africa's two largest economic powers and is popular with tourists making their way to safari and other destinations. Sunburned travelers and tour groups crowd the Addis Ababa airport's waiting areas, along with businessmen from China and elsewhere.

At the airport in Nairobi, worried families gathered.
"I came to the airport to receive my brother but I have been told there is a problem," Agnes Muilu said. "I just pray that he is safe or he was not on it."
 "Why are they taking us round and round, it is all over the news that the plane crashed," said Edwin Ong'undi, who had been waiting for his sister. "All we are asking for is information to know about their fate."

The Boeing 737-8 MAX was new, delivered to Ethiopian Airlines in mid-November, the airline's CEO said. Its last maintenance was on Feb. 4 and it had flown just 1,200 hours. The pilot was a senior one, joining the airline in 2010, he said.
The Boeing 737-8 MAX was one of 30 being delivered to the airline, Boeing said in a statement in July when the first was delivered.

In a statement, Boeing said it was "deeply saddened" to hear of the crash and that a technical team was ready to provide assistance at the request of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board.

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Apparently the Abel Danger crew also thinks there's something fishy with this plane crash.

If you have a Twitter account, check out his Tweet/thread here:  https://twitter.com/Telford_Russian/stat...2452941824
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#3
Update:  We have some of the names who perished in the crash, but not all.



Quote:Thirty-five countries from all over the world lost citizens in the deadly incident — 32 Kenyans were the majority of lives lost.
(MORE: Airline carriers ground Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft after crash)

At least eight U.S. citizens were among the victims. The U.S. Embassy in Ethiopia and the U.S. Department of State haven't released their identities, but ABC News has confirmed the names of four.

Antoine Lewis, 39, of Matteson, Illinois, was a U.S. Army captain stationed in Ottawa, Canada, who served in Afghanistan. He was on vacation in Ethiopia doing Christian missionary work, according to his parents. They said Lewis equally valued the country he fought for and the home of his ancestors.

"That’s what he died doing," his mother, Antoinette Lewis, told ABC Chicago station WLS in a recent interview. "His passion was just to make a better world, make a better place, both here and our mother country."
Lewis leaves behind a wife and a 15-year-old son.

"I’m still in disbelief," his wife said in a statement obtained by ABC News. "I feel it's a dream [I'm still] awaiting his call to tell me he has safely touched down."

"Antoine was so loving," she added. "He was always interested in learning new things, forever on a journey becoming a better version of himself each day. He was so smart and just wanted to share his wealth of knowledge with those who’d listen."
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Ike and Susan Riffel of Redding, California, lost their only children in the crash, Bennett and Melvin Riffel. The brothers were on vacation traveling to a few different countries as part of an adventure ahead of the birth of Melvin's first child, according to the family.

Melvin and his wife, Britney, were expecting a baby girl in May.
"We appreciate the outpouring of love and support from the community," a spokesperson for the Riffel family told ABC Redding affiliate KRCR in a statement. "We ask for continued prayers."
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IQAir, a Switzerland-based company that specializes in improving indoor air quality, confirmed that one of its employees, Matt Vecere, was aboard the doomed flight. Vecere grew up in Sea Isle City, New Jersey, and later moved to California.

"Matt was an amazing writer, an avid surfer, and a truly selfless person," IQAir said in a statement. "He was most at home helping others, as evidenced by his dedication to the people of Haiti following the devastating earthquake in 2010."
"We will miss his laugh, his wit, his sense of humor, but most of all, the kinship and friendship that he brought to everything he did," the company added.
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Ethiopian Airlines identified the pilot of the ill-fated plane as Yared Mulugeta Gatechew, who had more than 8,000 flight hours. The co-pilot was Ahmed Nur Mohammod Nur, who had over 200 flight hours.

The United Nations said at least 21 of its employees were among those killed in Sunday's crash.
The staffers hailed from around the globe and worked for various U.N. agencies, which regularly made trips to Kenya by way of Ethiopia to visit Africa's United Nations Office headquarters, located in Nairobi. Many were traveling to attend a five-day assembly of the United Nations Environment Programme.
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The World Food Programme (WFP), the food-assistance branch of the United Nations, released the names of seven team members who died: Ekta Adhikari, 26, of Nepa; Maria Pilar Buzzetti, 30, of Italy; Virginia Chimenti, 26, of Italy; Harina Hafitz, 59, of Indonesia; Zhen-Zhen Huang, 46, of China; Michael Ryan, 39, of Ireland; and Djordje Vdovic, 53, of Serbia.

"As we mourn, let us reflect that each of these WFP colleagues were willing to travel and work far from their homes and loved ones to help make the world a better place to live," the WFP's Executive Director David Beasley said in a statement. "That was their calling, as it is for the rest of the WFP family."

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees named three colleagues who also died: Nadia Ali, 40, of Sudan; Jessica Hyba, 43, of Canada; and Jackson Musoni, 31, of Rwanda.

"We’ve been struck by sudden and terrible loss," U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, Filippo Grandi, said in a statement. "We are doing everything we can to help Nadia’s, Jessica’s and Jackson’s families at this most difficult and painful time."
The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) said it lost a program officer in the gender and safeguards unit, Victor Shangai Tsang, of Hong Kong, China.

"Victor took up this position with vigor and enthusiasm, striving to make our projects fully gender-sensitive," UNEP said in a statement. "His work defined him as an individual, and he, in turn, helped define our own work."
Victor leaves behind his pregnant wife and son.
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The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations confirmed it lost fisheries officer Joanna Toole, who was "passionate about making the world a better place."

Another victim in Sunday's plane crash was Max Thabiso Edkins, a 35-year-old dual-national of Germany and South Africa. He worked as a communications officer for the World Bank's Connect4Climate program.

"We were devastated to learn that we lost a cherished colleague in the plane crash in Ethiopia," the World Bank Group's interim president, Kristalina Georgieva, said in a statement. "Max was deeply committed to the fight against climate change and brought tremendous creativity, energy and passion to his work. Our deepest sympathies go to his family and loved ones, and to those of the other victims of this tragedy."
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Cedric Asiavugwa, a third-year law student at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C, was traveling to his native Kenya to attend the funeral of his fiance's mother, according to a press release from the school.

Born and raised in Mombasa, Kenya, Asiavugwa's work on social justice issues led him from his native country to Uganda, Tanzania and Zimbabwe, before coming to Georgetown University Law Center. The 32-year-old planned to return home to Kenya after graduating to continue serving refugees and other marginalized groups.

"With his passing, the Georgetown family has lost a stellar student, a great friend to many, and a dedicated champion for social justice across East Africa and the world," the law school said in a statement.

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This is really sad. My thoughts go out to the family and friends of those lost. 

I'm going to wait and see if Field McConnell has more to say about this in the coming days. If anyone would know who was aboard "they" wanted to kill, it would be him.  The 8Chan Anons might find some information also. 
If I learn more, I'll certainly come back here to update.
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President Trump says Boeing 737 Max 8 and 9 planes "are grounded effectively immediately". 
I'm sure he knows what's going on.
With the testimonies coming out from Lisa Page now providing evidence that the Obama DOJ is behind the Russia Hoax, and allowing Killary to walk away from her crimes, it would be easy for the Deep State to use plane crashes as a form of retaliation. It would also take the news off what the public needs to see; the real collusion was done by the Dems and Obama gave the order to do it.

It's all coming out. 

There is a video on this Twitter post where President Trump is talking about this, but I can't link it here. Go to the tweet to watch it.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1105903709618425859
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Okay, there is some interesting information coming out regarding this plane "crash" now.  Field McConnell says this flight path is similar to the radar shown with the missing Malaysia plane a few  years ago. He said the plane was taken over by remote control  and flown to... well, I don't want to misspeak, so listen to the video I'll post at the bottom of this post where he talks about the Malaysia flight.

Anyway, this Ethiopian flight shows a similar flight path, and NO BODIES were found in the wreckage.  Isn't that odd? minusculethinking 

Who was aboard that they wanted?  Was this a rescue by the White Hats, or an act of evil by the Black Hats?  That question remains to be seen.

A tweet by MilSpce Ops Monkey:


Quote:Ethiopian 737 flight app data discrepancy. According to the FlightStats data, this aircraft completed its flight. Look at the filters, one planned, one actual. Note the flight turns south where the other app shows it end at 9k feet and 470 mph.



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If this makes no sense to you, watch Abel Danger's video below and it will.





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Some info

Quote:ASN Accident Digest Boeing 737 MAX 8 Ethiopian Airlines 



Status:
Preliminary
Date:
10 MAR 2019
Time:
08:44
Type:
Boeing 737 MAX 8
Operating for:
Ethiopian Airlines
Registration:
ET-AVJ
C/n / msn:
62450/7243
First flight:
2018
Engines:
2 CFMI LEAP-1B
Crew:
Fatalities: 9 / Occupants: 8
Passengers:
Fatalities: 149 / Occupants: 149
Total:
Fatalities: 157 / Occupants: 157
Airplane damage:
Destroyed
Location:
near Bishoftu (Ethiopia)
Phase:
En route
Nature:
International Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport:
Addis Ababa-Bole Airport (ADD)
Destination airport:
Nairobi-Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (NBO)
Flightnumber:
ET302

Narrative: Ethiopian Airlines flight ET302, a Boeing 737 MAX 8, crashed shortly after takeoff from Addis Ababa-Bole Airport, Ethiopia. There were no survivors among the 157 occupants. The aircraft took off from runway 07R at Bole Airport at 05:38 UTC (08:38 local time). The airline reports that contact was lost at 08:44 local time. In a press conference the CEO of Ethiopian Airlines stated that the pilot reported difficulties with the aircraft to ATC. He was given clearance to return to the airport. 
Weather at the time of the accident was fine with a visibility of 10+ km, few clouds at 2500 feet.
Several countries/airlines have grounded the Boeing 737 MAX as a safety precaution in the wake of the fatal accident involving Ethiopian Airlines flight 302, the second loss of the type after the crash of Lion Air flight 610: all operators in China and Indonesia and Cayman Airways; Comair; Ethiopian Airlines; and Royal Air Maroc.



AIRCRAFT PROFILE BOEING 737-8 MAX
  • Last fatal accident involving a Boeing 737-8 MAX: 29-OCT-2018 Boeing 737 MAX 8 PK-LQP Lion Air - 189 fatalties (4 months, 2 weeks ago)

  • Total number of hull-losses: 2 (of which 2 were accidents)

  • 2nd worst accident involving a Boeing 737-8 MAX

  • Survival rate for all fatal Boeing 737-8 MAX accidents: on average 0 % of all occupants survived fatal accidents

AIRCRAFT PROFILE BOEING 737
  • Last fatal accident involving a Boeing 737: 29-OCT-2018 Boeing 737 MAX 8 PK-LQP Lion Air - 189 fatalties (132 days ago)

  • Total number of hull-losses: 211 (of which 193 were accidents)

  • 3rd worst accident involving a Boeing 737

  • Survival rate for all fatal Boeing 737 accidents: on average 34.6 % of all occupants survived fatal accidents



COUNTRY PROFILE ETHIOPIA
  • Last fatal airliner/bizjet accident in Ethiopia: 30-AUG-2018 DHC-6 Twin Otter 300 ET-AIU/808 Ethiopian AF - 18 fatalities (6 months, 2 weeks ago)

  • Total number of fatal airliner/bizjet accidents: 18

  • Total number of airliner/bizjet fatalities: 242

  • worst airliner/bizjet accident in Ethiopia

  • The country is rated Cat. 1 in FAA's International Aviation Safety Assessment Program (IASA)
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#7
The 737 max both the 8 and 9 series have extra big engines which provide extra thrust. Being bigger they are mounted slightly more forward that say the normal new generation 737s.. when power is added the nose of the aircraft will pitch up.. I have flown many aircraft that would do the same but all one has to do is trim the aircraft and over come the nose up tendency.. a Lear jet would eat your lunch if you were not on top of it

 So... Boing installed an electronic stick puller/pusher. If the angle of attack is to high the control column will be pushed forward automatically..(control column pulled back houses get small while control column forward houses get big quickly) The nose up attitude is detected by the angle of attack sensor located on either side of the aircraft nose.. evidently the software for the angle of attack sensor is fubar. 


Many of the new generation aircraft pilots are told to engage the auto pilot at 1000 ft above ground and let the aircraft fly the departure procedure they have programed into the flight management system. Even before I retired many of the new generation pilots were great button pushers but pretty weak as far as stick and rudder guys/gals which works as long as everything else works as advertised. 

Boeing tried to make the 737 max series fall under the same type rating as the 737-200, 300, 500, 700, 800, 900, series so a different type rating would not be required for the pilots or a new certification process for the aircraft which both requires time and money for the airlines and Boeing.. So far that ain't working out very well as for months pilots have complained the max series is a 737 in name only...

They will get all this sorted out pretty quickly as grounded aircraft do not make an airline money.. I just hope the fix is indeed a fix and not a band aide/plaster that is libel to come off in the future..
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https://www.rt.com/news/453809-boeing-73...ng-pilots/
Quote:Boeing 737 MAX 8 pilots reported their planes nosedived and lost altitude in at least two incidents before the current safety scandal that has seen the aircraft grounded across the world.
As Boeing deals with the fallout of its Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes being banned around the world following two deadly crashes, reports of the aircrafts nosediving have been revealed while other reports cite safety concerns.
Pilots on at least two US flights reported their aircrafts nosedived and lost altitude quickly when using autopilot mode on the 737 MAX 8 in the last few months, according to pilot reports compiled in the Aviation Safety Reporting System database administered by NASA. The data shows there were 11 reports about the Boeing 737 MAX 8 logged between April 2018 and December 2018, USA Today reports.
In one incident, as soon as the captain put the plane on autopilot, the co-pilot said, “Descending,” and a cockpit audio low altitude warning said, “Don’t sink, don’t sink!” The pilots turned off autopilot and the plane stopped descending.

“With the concerns with the MAX 8 nose down stuff, we both thought it appropriate to bring it to your attention,” the captain wrote in the report, in reference to the Lion Air crash in Indonesia in October which killed 189. He guessed that the dip could have been caused by airspeed fluctuation due to a weather system overwhelming the plane’s automation.
The second incident saw an aircraft tipping downwards at a rate of 1,200 to 1,500 feet (365-460 meters) a minute just seconds after autopilot was engaged. The cockpit’s audio warning system issued a warning and the pilot turned off the autopilot mode. The co-pilot said he could not “think of any reason the aircraft would pitch nose-down so aggressively.”
The reports are volunteer safety ones and don’t reveal details of the airlines and pilots involved, or the location of where the incidents took place.
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The MCAS system takes data from the angle of attack indicator plus the computed air data.. I will automatically trim the nose down just about 2 degrees. But if the data remains the same it will trim nose down again pause and trim again and again etc. If the pilots are knowledgeable about what is going on instead of fighting the trim system all they have to do is turn the electric trim off.. There are two toggle switches on the back of center throttle pedestal that turn the electric trim off.. That stops a runaway trim situation.. You then pull the handles out of the trim wheel and trim manually. 

I am going to say this and it will sound horrible but I really do feel that if I had been in command of either of those two flights there would not have been a crash if the information I have is correct.. No ego promise.. 


I was always serious about knowing the aircraft and emergency procedures whether written or not.. and was always spring loaded to fly the aircraft when the automation started doing something it was not supposed to do which was usually due to FMS programing error or a system that goes fubar..
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(03-17-2019, 04:13 PM)727Sky Wrote: The MCAS system takes data from the angle of attack indicator plus the computed air data.. I will automatically trim the nose down just about 2 degrees. But if the data remains the same it will trim nose down again pause and trim again and again etc. If the pilots are knowledgeable about what is going on instead of fighting the trim system all they have to do is turn the electric trim off.. There are two toggle switches on the back of center throttle pedestal that turn the electric trim off.. That stops a runaway trim situation.. You then pull the handles out of the trim wheel and trim manually. 

I am going to say this and it will sound horrible but I really do feel that if I had been in command of either of those two flights there would not have been a crash if the information I have is correct.. No ego promise.. 


I was always serious about knowing the aircraft and emergency procedures whether written or not.. and was always spring loaded to fly the aircraft when the automation started doing something it was not supposed to do which was usually due to FMS programing error or a system that goes fubar..

So taking in all possible variables -no matter how rationally ludicrous, what in your professional opinion as a veteran pilot,
could or did cause this crash?
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(03-17-2019, 04:29 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(03-17-2019, 04:13 PM)727Sky Wrote: The MCAS system takes data from the angle of attack indicator plus the computed air data.. I will automatically trim the nose down just about 2 degrees. But if the data remains the same it will trim nose down again pause and trim again and again etc. If the pilots are knowledgeable about what is going on instead of fighting the trim system all they have to do is turn the electric trim off.. There are two toggle switches on the back of center throttle pedestal that turn the electric trim off.. That stops a runaway trim situation.. You then pull the handles out of the trim wheel and trim manually. 

I am going to say this and it will sound horrible but I really do feel that if I had been in command of either of those two flights there would not have been a crash if the information I have is correct.. No ego promise.. 


I was always serious about knowing the aircraft and emergency procedures whether written or not.. and was always spring loaded to fly the aircraft when the automation started doing something it was not supposed to do which was usually due to FMS programing error or a system that goes fubar..

So taking in all possible variables -no matter how rationally ludicrous, what in your professional opinion as a veteran pilot,
could or did cause this crash?
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I'm sure 727Sky can answer the reason based on the technical issues, but the question I have (being a critical thinker) is WHY?  What was the deeper reason behind this?

To answer that, you have to look behind the curtain and do some deep diving into what people call "conspiracies".  I've heard some good answers from several different people.
One is that China has the next best plane to offer to the market, so if they can cause the 7Max and 8Max to be grounded for a long length of time, that would give them a big advantage in sales.

Another answer is who was on board that they wanted to get rid of?   This is still being looked at by researchers who I trust.

The uninterruptible auto pilot has been used to take over a plane remotely from the ground and crash it, according to Field McConnell. He says he knows this, and has the documentation, which he has provided on his videos, and because his sister has told him things. She used to be at the head of SES, which holds the patents to this device... and she has loose lips around Field.

I'll post more when I learn more about this crash.
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(03-17-2019, 04:13 PM)727Sky Wrote: The MCAS system takes data from the angle of attack indicator plus the computed air data.. I will automatically trim the nose down just about 2 degrees. But if the data remains the same it will trim nose down again pause and trim again and again etc. If the pilots are knowledgeable about what is going on instead of fighting the trim system all they have to do is turn the electric trim off.. There are two toggle switches on the back of center throttle pedestal that turn the electric trim off.. That stops a runaway trim situation.. You then pull the handles out of the trim wheel and trim manually. 

I am going to say this and it will sound horrible but I really do feel that if I had been in command of either of those two flights there would not have been a crash if the information I have is correct.. No ego promise.. 


I was always serious about knowing the aircraft and emergency procedures whether written or not.. and was always spring loaded to fly the aircraft when the automation started doing something it was not supposed to do which was usually due to FMS programing error or a system that goes fubar..

It is a simple case of You My Friend are A Pilot, they were just setting in the seat.
Sorry to sound so cruel about those dead Pilots and Co-Pilots, but I have to think that they trusted in Automation and Computers to much to train to the level you had and I believe your Military Flight Training and Experience had a lot to due with it.

If you're a Pilot, then be a Pilot and not a Switch or Button Pushing Seat Warmer.  
So many People Would Be Alive Today.
JMHO
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Maybe it's me, but I thought this was a very strange thing...


Quote:Ethiopian Airlines: Empty coffins buried after Boeing 737 Max 8 crash.

'Empty coffins representing the Ethiopian victims of last week's Ethiopia Airlines plane crash have been buried in
the capital, Addis Ababa. None of the bodies has yet been formally identified because of the impact when the Boeing
737 Max 8 aircraft crashed shortly after it took off for the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, killing all 157 people on board.

Some relatives were overcome with grief, while others threw themselves on the red coffins draped with the Ethiopian
flag at the Holy Trinity Cathedral in Addis Ababa. Some family members have been given charred earth from the crash
site to help remember their loved ones.
Families have been told it could take up to six months to identify the remains.

Meanwhile, flight data from the Ethiopian Airlines disaster a week ago suggest "clear similarities" with a crash off
Indonesia last October, Ethiopia's transport minister has said...'
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(03-17-2019, 10:18 PM)BIAD Wrote: Maybe it's me, but I thought this was a very strange thing...


Quote:Ethiopian Airlines: Empty coffins buried after Boeing 737 Max 8 crash.

'Empty coffins representing the Ethiopian victims of last week's Ethiopia Airlines plane crash have been buried in
the capital, Addis Ababa. None of the bodies has yet been formally identified because of the impact when the Boeing
737 Max 8 aircraft crashed shortly after it took off for the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, killing all 157 people on board.

Some relatives were overcome with grief, while others threw themselves on the red coffins draped with the Ethiopian
flag at the Holy Trinity Cathedral in Addis Ababa. Some family members have been given charred earth from the crash
site to help remember their loved ones.
Families have been told it could take up to six months to identify the remains.

Meanwhile, flight data from the Ethiopian Airlines disaster a week ago suggest "clear similarities" with a crash off
Indonesia last October, Ethiopia's transport minister has said...'
SOURCE:

That is odd.  I would think having a Wake, or just a gathering to celebrate the life of their loved one should suffice until something was found to place in the coffin. 
Does this mean when the body parts are found they'll have to dig up the coffin and throw the parts in?  tinysurprised
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(03-17-2019, 04:29 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(03-17-2019, 04:13 PM)727Sky Wrote: The MCAS system takes data from the angle of attack indicator plus the computed air data.. I will automatically trim the nose down just about 2 degrees. But if the data remains the same it will trim nose down again pause and trim again and again etc. If the pilots are knowledgeable about what is going on instead of fighting the trim system all they have to do is turn the electric trim off.. There are two toggle switches on the back of center throttle pedestal that turn the electric trim off.. That stops a runaway trim situation.. You then pull the handles out of the trim wheel and trim manually. 

I am going to say this and it will sound horrible but I really do feel that if I had been in command of either of those two flights there would not have been a crash if the information I have is correct.. No ego promise.. 


I was always serious about knowing the aircraft and emergency procedures whether written or not.. and was always spring loaded to fly the aircraft when the automation started doing something it was not supposed to do which was usually due to FMS programing error or a system that goes fubar..

So taking in all possible variables -no matter how rationally ludicrous, what in your professional opinion as a veteran pilot,
could or did cause this crash?
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Automation and screwed up soft ware (plus pilots not flying the aircraft) was the cause IMO but. There are switches that kill the automation......from our limited information 'they' the pilots chose to fight instead of kill the auto trim.. we do not have all the facts as of yet...and we may never have the real facts as CYA will be involved. …. BUT.... that is where the fault lies IMO..
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(03-19-2019, 06:53 AM)727Sky Wrote: Automation and screwed up soft ware (plus pilots not flying the aircraft) was the cause IMO but. There are switches that kill the automation......from our limited information 'they' the pilots chose to fight instead of kill the auto trim.. we do not have all the facts as of yet...and we may never have the real facts as CYA will be involved. …. BUT.... that is where the fault lies IMO..

Thank you, it's interesting that we -as passengers, don't appreciate the pilots' multiple decision-making
situations involved in flying.
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Here you go... proof.  This is what Field McConnell has been preaching about for years.
Finally, someone is reporting on it.


Quote:A GOVERNMENT official revealed that he and his team of IT experts remotely hacked into a Boeing 757 as it sat on the runway and were able to take control of its flight functions.

Read the article here: PLANE FAILING Boeing 757 controls HACKED remotely while on the runway, officials reveal
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(03-21-2019, 02:50 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Here you go... proof.  This is what Field McConnell has been preaching about for years.
Finally, someone is reporting on it.


Quote:A GOVERNMENT official revealed that he and his team of IT experts remotely hacked into a Boeing 757 as it sat on the runway and were able to take control of its flight functions.

Read the article here: PLANE FAILING Boeing 757 controls HACKED remotely while on the runway, officials reveal

O.K. I read the article...Now let me explain something to you.. 737, 757, 767 and the 777 all use hydraulic assisted controls. When you put in a control movement all it does is direct hydraulic pressure to an actuator.. Only on fly by wire aircraft could the control systems theoretically be hacked.. 


Remember the stories about Mercedes accelerator being hacked or the windows.. can do as they are an electric computer controlled device.. Electronic Computers do not control the hydraulic Pressure and there are two devices one for the feel the pilot receives and one that regulates the pressure to the actuator, both mechanical.....no electronic computer is involved.. 


With a complete hydraulic failure (pretty hard to have unless it was a DC-10 which blew its' #2 engine and severed all the hydraulic lines or the aft pressure bulk head of a 747 that was not repaired correctly and blew out in flight which killed all hydraulic lines and even severed the manual reversion control cables.) Manual reversion control in the event of hydraulic pressure is lost.... move the small little tabs on the big control surfaces say down and the big control surface is moved up... Believe it or not that is what controlled the ailerons and elevators on the MD-80.. No hydraulic assist and the aircraft flew very well.. In the 727we practiced complete hydraulic failure and I do not ever remember crashing the aircraft.. For some reason I do not remember doing the same thing in the 737 so that either means we did not do it or is was of such small consequence that it just was not a big deal or I just forgot about it ? 


I do remember having to manually trim during an electrical failure but that is why there are pop out handles on the trim wheel.. 


Now having said all that could they possibly hack into the flight management system.. Maybe/probably.. The FMS flies the aircraft when the auto pilot is coupled. It has your route, departure/arrival procedures, and can even be used to land the aircraft in very bad visibility which is called a CAT 3 approach procedure.. We practices those procedures all the time as well as CAT 2 .. copilot monitors the progress as the Captain at 300 feet starts looking for the approach lights if no joy at 200ft you go around if the aircraft is not CAT 3... CAT 3 the FMS lands the aircraft.. slightly better than a controlled crash..hahahah

Either way unless the pilot is lazy you still have an approach/departure/plate (paper saying what to do) and even a map out during the flight. Besides the aircraft built in navigation systems (think GPS) we also have VORs, ADFs, ILS, which are all land based radio signals we can use to navigate with or land an aircraft..
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@727Sky 
Thank you for that very in-depth explanation.
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