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yesterdays prophecies / todays headlines
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I suppose I'm really in neither camp here. As happens so many times in life, I reckon I've got a funny way of seeing things, different from just about everyone else.

I think the world ends every single day - for someone. Every bird, every rock, every tree, every flower and every person ceases to exist for that person when the end of time comes for them. Is that when "Jesus comes in the clouds"? I dunno. I ain't got there yet, but it seems logical to me. Might not be, though. We won't know until the end of time comes for each of us.

I also think that walking around waiting for Jesus to pop through the clouds with a conquering army is an utter waste of time better spent on other things. Whether he does or not, the time spent waiting for it is wasted time. See, if I'm walking along, looking up into the sky for that cloudburst to come, and get hit by a bus crossing the street while I'm looking up, the end of time just came for me, and I was out to lunch and got blindsided. Missed the Rapture altogether while looking for it.

I believe that living each day for the day, as if it were your last (because one of them WILL be, some day), and being right with God NOW is a lot better than waiting on the magnum opus of the deity - waiting for it is a waste of the time you could have spent enjoying it NOW.

Waiting for God to come save us? Look around you. If you don't already see It, your focus is in the wrong place, and you never will.

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(12-24-2017, 01:46 AM)guohua Wrote:
(12-23-2017, 08:31 PM)guohua Wrote: Mr.G. Here.

I'll say I'm Sorry in advance.  tinybiggrin

But, what is really being talked about is the last days.
The Messiah Returning to Earth.
(So where has he /she been this whole time?)

The Messiah, (Jesus Christ), will return at the very end of the coming ‘Apocalypse’ to save the remnant of Israel from the armies of the world which will one day gather against the Nation of Israel. He will then rule and reign over Israel and over ALL The Nations of the World. (Really) 

 
Jesus says when He returns to rule there will be no question it is Him. When He again steps forth from Eternity every eye will see Him Coming In The clouds, with Millions from Heaven, in Power and Great Glory. (REALLY?) 

Here are just some verses I remember.

"Behold,

     He is coming with Clouds, and EVERY eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the Earth will mourn because of Him "

     (Revelation 1:7)
OK,,, Ask yourself, What is the reference to Clouds?

 

 

  "For behold,

     the LORD will come

     with Fire and with His Chariots, like a Whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with Flames of Fire.

     For by Fire and by His Sword, the LORD will judge all flesh and the slain of the LORD shall be many."
     (Isaiah 66:15-16)

Ok,,,, what are his actual Chariots?


I'm Sorry, but first.
Neither, God or Jesus has been seen or heard from in How Many Years?
Did the All Knowing God or the Loving Jesus Stop Hitler, Stalin, Mao or some many others.

Sounds a lot like to me, we're waiting for the arrival of our Alien creators.
I don't know what to say about your keyboard problems,,,,, sorry.

But my Husband said that He Did Apologize in Advance for his post  smallgreenangel



Ha! I don't know what to say about my keyboard problems either! It's only happening on the laptop.  

Anyway, my frustrations were with losing all I typed, not once but repetitively - as I'm sure you can imagine - not with Mr. G  OR his comments . :) I guess I could have worded that a bit better, and for that I apologize. 

So.. I'm on the phone and have a TON of baking to do today but ill just say this to Mr. G (have him read this) 

Hello Mr. G. 

The one thing I'm sure you know by now, is that the Bible explains itself. In my post immediately prior to your comments, I had mentioned that we cannot understand prophecy without God.. This is a good way to have God help us, read the definitions directly from the Bible. 

So let's go with Isaiah here. You quoted 66:16. 

Sword needs defined so let's define it biblically.  

"Put on Salvation as your helmet and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians" 6:17

So, swords are defined in the Bible as the Word of God. Why would it be described that way? 

In Hebrews 4:12 it says:

"For the Word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

So, the word of God is described as a sword because of this. FYI, Jesus was also described as having a sword coming from His mouth in Revelations 19:15 because He speaks the Word of God and that Word is what will be used to judge men. 

An FYI is that when men are slain, it is describing an unsaved state. Life is Eternal life in heaven with God, and Death is judgement in the negative and eternal separation from God, the second death as the Bible calls it. This is the slaying the Word of God does... the second death after being judged by or according to, the Word of God. 

So... we now have sword and slaying described and interpreted.  

Fire in the Bible is depicting sometimes God's presence, other times His wrath in the figurative sense, other times it's describing the trials and tribulations God's people face that ultimately benefits them, that is called refining in fire, or purification by fire... fire meaning the trials and tribulations.  

So... since there are many possibilities with what fire is according to the Bible, using some measure of logic we can determine what it can be talking about in the context presented in Isaiah:

"So by fire and by Sword, the Lord will judge all flesh and the slain of the Lord will be many. "

Therefore, in context we can accurately say that fire here as it's a means to judge people by, is not God's wrath as wrath is judgment only and not a means to judge by.. therefore we can accurately say that fire here is describing trials and tribulations - as people's reactions to that show man the heart of himself. 

Nothing like learning yourself through hard times, and how you react to those hard times says a lot about you. Some people rise above it all, even in the worst of situations, others let the situations define them - am I right? 

So in this passage we see what God is saying, and accurately interpret it to mean:

"So through trials and tribulations, and by the Word of God I will judge all men - and many are those who will see the second death and be separated from God for eternity."

Jesus is also called the Word of God, and can rightly be called Judge as we will be judged or saved depending upon whether or not we accept salvation through His finished work on the cross.

Clouds - so you know, can rightly be defined as the Glory of God... The Glory of God all through the Bible is depicted as a Cloud or Clouds... 

But what the Glory of God is, is His presence and/or His nature - nature including both His being the Just Judge as well as His Mercy... 

Jesus is (did) coming on the clouds or with the clouds describes the coming of Jesus in the nature of God..  basically, when Jesus comes back it will be in the fullness of the Glory of God. Not a light, not a cloud, but as the full embodiment of the nature of God.

(THINK, and in that day I will pour out my spirit on all flesh... although that doesn't mean everyone will react the same way to it. :) )

When the Bible says that men look for signs but no sign will be given it but the sign of Jonah, (which is speaking of the death and resurrection of Christ) This is why... we see the nature of God embodied in His Mercy and His Judgement - in short, in the finished work of Christ (Hebrews 1:3).  THAT is the sign. ... that is the ONLY sign that matters.. that Christ lived, died, and on the third day rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father. That is the power of God, His unfailing Mercy, and the ability to Judge men by that Mercy.  

And that are what those passages in Isaiah are speaking of.  No aliens involved. . Lol.

Love you... ttyl. (I'm sure I could have worded all that better, but I'm kind of rushing... so if I need to explain better later I will)

Like Nin said, if you spend all your time looking up in the sky for Jesus to come in clouds, your just going to end up hit by a bus.

ETA: This is also why the Bible says when people say here is the Christ or there is the Christ not to believe them (Matthew 24:23)... it's not a physical thing.
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#63
@Grace 
Very Well Done with your interpretations of the word of God.
That was Excellent.  minusculeclap 

But, you have to believe in a God and the fact He or she or It cares about the Human Race and is returning for the Faithful and has been here watching over Humanity and Cares.

Sorry, but believing in a supposed being that created the human race and then impregnated a virgin with a son to preach to the other unwashed masses that were not of the Jewish race is not what i believe,,,,,, anymore.

I'm not going to try and change anyone beliefs.

But this is how I see the Bible being written and then then content being control by Man.
OK, the Bible we all know was written by Men and only Men. This Bible was put together by other Men who I believe had an Agenda to promote Their Beliefs and Amass Wealth and Power.
The had the Modern Bible and the Books of the Bible put in the order they wished to keep the masses Dumbed Down by believing in their version of the written word of God.
When in fact there where other chapters written by other men and Women!
YES, It's believed Women wrote of their experiences.

Now, what was written?
What did they see and have to say?
Did they see or actually touch a God?
Was this God or Gods 3 feet tall or look like a Reptile or maybe a large Insect? 
Were any of these people that wrote those missing chapters ever taken for a ride in a Chariot, and did they write a better description of what they seen, felt or just plain witnessed?
Just maybe they did and That Could Never Be Allowed To Be Part Of A Bible, where people are needed to read and believe that the only way to Heaven is by giving their money to a MAN who says HE KNOWS THE WAY TO GOD and For you soul to walk those Streets Of Gold and Talk To Jesus and God Himself.

Why did they say Sword and Fire come out of God's Mouth? Why couldn't they have just said, "The Words God Spoke From his Mouth slayed ".
It doesn't make sense. 

It's just this.
I've seen to, to, to, too much death and suffering in my life. After the age of 18 &1/2 I was witness to the deaths of very young men and children calling out for their mothers.
Even the very religious men I knew that were dying next to me, Never said, "Look I see the Son Of man Coming To Take Me Home."

I've seen what men and women an do, kill/executed without remorse for really no other reason except the fact you are considered a threat to their governments security or a traitor. 

Sorry, I'm Very Jaded in my religious beliefs.
I believe in Myself and Reincarnation.

BUT, don't let me or anyone else take your beliefs from you.
It's what makes you feel good and comfortable in your Life that is most important.
You did Great Work with your reply. 
I Respect you Greatly.

Sorry for being so long winded.
Mr.G.
Once A Rogue, Always A Rogue!
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(12-24-2017, 05:33 PM)guohua Wrote: @Grace 
Very Well Done with your interpretations of the word of God.
That was Excellent.  minusculeclap 

But, you have to believe in a God and the fact He or she or It cares about the Human Race and is returning for the Faithful and has been here watching over Humanity and Cares.

Sorry, but believing in a supposed being that created the human race and then impregnated a virgin with a son to preach to the other unwashed masses that were not of the Jewish race is not what i believe,,,,,, anymore.

I'm not going to try and change anyone beliefs.

But this is how I see the Bible being written and then then content being control by Man.
OK, the Bible we all know was written by Men and only Men. This Bible was put together by other Men who I believe had an Agenda to promote Their Beliefs and Amass Wealth and Power.
The had the Modern Bible and the Books of the Bible put in the order they wished to keep the masses Dumbed Down by believing in their version of the written word of God.
When in fact there where other chapters written by other men and Women!
YES, It's believed Women wrote of their experiences.

Now, what was written?
What did they see and have to say?
Did they see or actually touch a God?
Was this God or Gods 3 feet tall or look like a Reptile or maybe a large Insect? 
Were any of these people that wrote those missing chapters ever taken for a ride in a Chariot, and did they write a better description of what they seen, felt or just plain witnessed?
Just maybe they did and That Could Never Be Allowed To Be Part Of A Bible, where people are needed to read and believe that the only way to Heaven is by giving their money to a MAN who says HE KNOWS THE WAY TO GOD and For you soul to walk those Streets Of Gold and Talk To Jesus and God Himself.

Why did they say Sword and Fire come out of God's Mouth? Why couldn't they have just said, "The Words God Spoke From his Mouth slayed ".
It doesn't make sense. 

It's just this.
I've seen to, to, to, too much death and suffering in my life. After the age of 18 &1/2 I was witness to the deaths of very young men and children calling out for their mothers.
Even the very religious men I knew that were dying next to me, Never said, "Look I see the Son Of man Coming To Take Me Home."

I've seen what men and women an do, kill/executed without remorse for really no other reason except the fact you are considered a threat to their governments security or a traitor. 

Sorry, I'm Very Jaded in my religious beliefs.
I believe in Myself and Reincarnation.

BUT, don't let me or anyone else take your beliefs from you.
It's what makes you feel good and comfortable in your Life that is most important.
You did Great Work with your reply. 
I Respect you Greatly.

Sorry for being so long winded.
Mr.G.


I totally respect you and your opinions. I understand the depth of suffering in the world at the hands of men - men who gain power by the will of other men. 

We are all different in how we react to life... some people see evil and can never recover. Some people see evil and realize if that exists then so does good. 

No manner of opinions can move me, I believe - that will forever be unchanged. You and everyone else knows my story and knows why I believe - just as I know yours and why you dont. Your unbelief has no power to change my belief anymore than my belief has the power to change your unbelief. We are what we are in the end.. :) Its a matter of respecting the other in the end, and I respect you just as greatly.  

As a beside, chariot has a meaning too.. haha, but I won't get into it. Too many other concerns today, like I have bread to knead!  

Merry Christmas to you! :)
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(12-24-2017, 05:58 PM)Grace Wrote:
(12-24-2017, 05:33 PM)guohua Wrote: @Grace 
Very Well Done with your interpretations of the word of God.
That was Excellent.  minusculeclap 

But, you have to believe in a God and the fact He or she or It cares about the Human Race and is returning for the Faithful and has been here watching over Humanity and Cares.

Sorry, but believing in a supposed being that created the human race and then impregnated a virgin with a son to preach to the other unwashed masses that were not of the Jewish race is not what i believe,,,,,, anymore.

I'm not going to try and change anyone beliefs.

But this is how I see the Bible being written and then then content being control by Man.
OK, the Bible we all know was written by Men and only Men. This Bible was put together by other Men who I believe had an Agenda to promote Their Beliefs and Amass Wealth and Power.
The had the Modern Bible and the Books of the Bible put in the order they wished to keep the masses Dumbed Down by believing in their version of the written word of God.
When in fact there where other chapters written by other men and Women!
YES, It's believed Women wrote of their experiences.

Now, what was written?
What did they see and have to say?
Did they see or actually touch a God?
Was this God or Gods 3 feet tall or look like a Reptile or maybe a large Insect? 
Were any of these people that wrote those missing chapters ever taken for a ride in a Chariot, and did they write a better description of what they seen, felt or just plain witnessed?
Just maybe they did and That Could Never Be Allowed To Be Part Of A Bible, where people are needed to read and believe that the only way to Heaven is by giving their money to a MAN who says HE KNOWS THE WAY TO GOD and For you soul to walk those Streets Of Gold and Talk To Jesus and God Himself.

Why did they say Sword and Fire come out of God's Mouth? Why couldn't they have just said, "The Words God Spoke From his Mouth slayed ".
It doesn't make sense. 

It's just this.
I've seen to, to, to, too much death and suffering in my life. After the age of 18 &1/2 I was witness to the deaths of very young men and children calling out for their mothers.
Even the very religious men I knew that were dying next to me, Never said, "Look I see the Son Of man Coming To Take Me Home."

I've seen what men and women an do, kill/executed without remorse for really no other reason except the fact you are considered a threat to their governments security or a traitor. 

Sorry, I'm Very Jaded in my religious beliefs.
I believe in Myself and Reincarnation.

BUT, don't let me or anyone else take your beliefs from you.
It's what makes you feel good and comfortable in your Life that is most important.
You did Great Work with your reply. 
I Respect you Greatly.

Sorry for being so long winded.
Mr.G.


I totally respect you and your opinions. I understand the depth of suffering in the world at the hands of men - men who gain power by the will of other men. 

We are all different in how we react to life... some people see evil and can never recover. Some people see evil and realize if that exists then so does good. 

No manner of opinions can move me, I believe - that will forever be unchanged. You and everyone else knows my story and knows why I believe - just as I know yours and why you dont. Your unbelief has no power to change my belief anymore than my belief has the power to change your unbelief. We are what we are in the end.. :) Its a matter of respecting the other in the end, and I respect you just as greatly.  

As a beside, chariot has a meaning too.. haha, but I won't get into it. Too many other concerns today, like I have bread to knead!  

Merry Christmas to you! :)
Thank You So very Much For Understanding.

Yourself and Your Husband are Very Much Respected, Know That.
You're right, We Are Who We Are.

Like I've told my wife when we've discussed are beliefs.
I Really Wish a Bible with all the Books wrote by all the Men and Women who knew of this God and Jesus was available.
Of-Course I believe there are Books with Chapters written that are Lost or Destroyed.

Maybe there was some information in those lost or destroyed Books and Chapters that explain so much missing information about God and His World and where he/she came from.

My wife believes in Ancestors and Reincarnation. Yes she is basically and Buddhist.
But she does talk to her ancestors (at least two I know) and can feel their presence.

Thank You 
Mr.G.
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@guohua

Mr. G. 

I am glad you found your peace... :)
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We all have our reasons for believing as we do, and we all react differently to situations as they present themselves. In a group of a dozen people all witnessing the exact same event, you will get 12 different reports of what transpired. It's not that all of them saw something different, for they all saw the self-same event. It's that their perceptions are different, because each has his own personality, and to be honest, each is going to notice different facets and miss other facets that someone else noticed.

When I was a kid, learning to track, I discovered that if I was looking for a particular track, I could suddenly see them everywhere. It's not that the tracks weren't there before, it's just that when I tuned in to them, I saw them where I had missed them before. That's why I believe that people see different things in the same event. It's a matter of what they tune in to, as individuals.

even the same person will react differently at different times. Myself, for example - some days I am jaded and the entire world is just in shades of gray, other days I have hope, and a rainbow may add some color to the scene. Maybe it's unfounded hope, maybe not, but either way it adds the colors.

With the things you've seen, Mr. G, you know as well as anyone that each man fights his own war, even though they may be on the same battlefield... and each man brings his own war back home with him, and has to come to terms with it the best way he can. He has to make his own sense of it, if there is any sense to be made of it at all. There's no fault in that - it's what makes the world go around, the differences in folks. What a boring world this would be if we all saw everything exactly the same - there would be nothing to discuss at all!

Merry Christmas, y'all! We got a smattering of snow, and I'll bet you didn't... I kinda envy that, because the older I get, the less I like the cold - and I was never much of a fan of it to begin with!


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Heart 
For me any religion that has lost or never had respect for others is just a cult that uses violence and hate to gain power for its sick leaders and followers.
To all our friends here, I wish that for a few days each year we all find what it is to love and be loved, and to hold it in our hearts and share it with others for the year to come.

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The ‘Great Harlot’ of Revelation is Perverting the World ... Dec 31, 2017

 
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(By Jason and David Benham) Since we graduated high school in 1994 (dang, we’re getting old!), we’ve made it a goal to read through the Bible every year. This time of year, we end up in the book of Revelation before renewing our commitment to do it all over again.  Some years, we just blow through the last book, not fully comprehending everything because of all the end-time prophecies. But this year, given the current sociopolitical context of the sexual revolution, the “great harlot” in Revelation 17 jumped off the pages at us ........... continue

There will be in the tribulation period a great apostate ecclesiastical system headed up under a powerful religious leader .. drawing after it thousands of deluded worshipers .. who in reality are worshiping the devil and the beast .. this enormous world-system will be brought to a fearful end and all those connected with it will share its fate . . . many bible students believe that we have here the Roman Catholic system headed up in a fearfully apostate state .. a woman is symbolical of “church” (2 Cor 11:12) .. this woman (Rev 17:5) stands in contrast to the Church of Christ .. which is a “chaste virgin” .. the true Church is “espoused to one husband” .. this one is given up to the kings of the earth .. the Church is the “mystery of godliness” .. this one is “mystery Babylon” .. the Church offers “the cup of Salvation” .. this one offers “cup full of abominations” .. Mystery Babylon is rich .. and it has its seat on seven hills (Rome) .. Christ is seen here as the .. One Who shall overcome all false systems .. establishing himself as Lord of lords and King of kings ..... gty.org
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