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That Old Crusade-Thing, It Just Doesn't Go Away!
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Quote:Jerusalem is Israel's capital, says Donald Trump.

'President Donald Trump has announced that the US now recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital,
overturning decades of official US policy.
Mr Trump described the move as "a long overdue step" to advance the Middle East peace process.

The fate of the ancient city is one of the thorniest issues between Israel and the Palestinians.
Israel called Mr Trump's move "historic" but there has been sharp international criticism.

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Mr Trump said the US still supported a two-state solution to the longstanding conflict, if approved by
both sides, which would essentially see the creation of an independent Palestinian state living alongside
Israel.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called Mr Trump's announcement "deplorable", saying the US
could no longer be a peace broker. The decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital puts the US
at odds with the rest of the international community's view on Jerusalem's status.

The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state, and according to the 1993 Israel
-Palestinian peace accords, its final status is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks.

Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and until now all countries
have maintained their embassies in Tel Aviv. Jerusalem contains sites sacred to the three major monotheistic
faiths - Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

East Jerusalem, which includes the Old City, was annexed by Israel after the Six Day War of 1967, but is not
internationally recognised as part of Israel.

Speaking at the White House, the US president said he had "judged this course of action to be in the best
interests of the United States of America, and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians".
He said he was directing the US state department to begin preparations to move the US embassy from
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Despite warnings of regional unrest over any such move, the decision fulfils a campaign promise and appeals
to Mr Trump's right-wing base. "Today, I am delivering," the US leader said, referencing the campaign pledge.
Recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital was "nothing more or less than a recognition of reality", he added.
"It is also the right thing to do."

The Republican Jewish Coalition have already thanked the president in a New York Times ad. The group is
backed by Republican and Trump campaign mega-donor Sheldon Adelson.
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Domestically motivated
Analysis, by Barbara Plett-Usher, BBC News, Washington
The president emphasised several times that he was delivering on a campaign promise, signalling that domestic
politics was largely what motivated this controversial decision.

The announcement would have made more sense as part of a peace plan, but the White House is still drafting one.
So the president spent much of the speech pushing back against criticism that he was prejudging his own peace
initiative.

He insisted that the US was still deeply committed to facilitating a deal acceptable to both sides, and was not taking
a position on the final status of the holy city. That seemed to imply the Palestinian claim to occupied East Jerusalem
would still be on the table in any negotiations.

But his argument would have been more convincing to them if he had spelled that out, and if he had clearly stated that
the end goal was two states. Instead he said the US would support such a solution if agreed to by both sides -not the
unequivocal endorsement the Palestinians were looking for.
He didn't offer the Palestinians anything, and the speech came across as an endorsement of Israel.

In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was a historic day, and Israel was profoundly grateful to
President Trump. "Jerusalem has been the focus of our hopes, our dreams, our prayers for three millennia," he tweeted.

Mr Abbas, the Palestinian leader, said in a pre-recorded TV speech that the city was the "eternal capital of the state of
Palestine". He earlier warned of "dangerous consequences" through a spokesman, a sentiment echoed by other Arab
leaders, who said there could be unrest.

There were demonstrations in Gaza against the decision before it was announced in response to a call from the Islamist
Hamas movement that runs the Gaza strip, local pro-Hamas media reported.
Hamas said that Mr Trump's decision would "open the doors of hell" on US interests in the region.
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What does the rest of the world say?
The US decision comes despite vocal opposition in the Muslim world, even among US allies.

On Tuesday Saudi Arabia's King Salman had said that the move "would constitute a flagrant provocation of Muslims,
all over the world". Demonstrations have already taken place in Gaza and outside the US consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said it was "a moment of great anxiety".
"There is no alternative to the two-state solution. There is no Plan B," he said.

In other reaction:
*Prime Minister Theresa May said she disagreed with the US decision, which was "unhelpful in terms of prospects for
peace in the region"
*French President Emmanuel Macron said France did not support the move and called for calm
*EU chief diplomat Federica Mogherini voiced "serious concern"...'
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It starts with little moves.


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(12-06-2017, 10:35 PM)BIAD Wrote:
Quote:In other reaction:
*Prime Minister Theresa May said she disagreed with the US decision, which was "unhelpful in terms of prospects for
peace in the region"

*French President Emmanuel Macron said France did not support the move and called for calm

*EU chief diplomat Federica Mogherini voiced "serious concern"...'
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It starts with little moves.

With all due respect to Ms. May, there are already no prospects for peace in that region, and have not been for millennia. This move doesn't make it any worse, it just brings it out into the open.

Muslims in general, and Palestinians in particular, have no desire for peace other than peace on THEIR terms - meaning Islamic domination. It's been that way in Jerusalem since 638 AD, and has no prospects of changing in the near future.

Sure, they'll smile and nod and say "yes, yes!" as long as they are being kowtowed to, as long as they think they are gaining ground in the domination arena But it's not what's in their hearts or their private conversations. It's just for public consumption. They'll pay lip-service to a "two state solution" as long as it's getting them gaining the ground they want, but just change that dynamic a little bit, just backtrack a little or stand your ground, and watch the howling and gnashing of teeth commence!

There will be no "two state solution" - it's a pipe dream,meant to mollify not-muslims. The Palestinians and other Muslims would never allow that, despite the lip-service they pay to it.

Might as well get it out in the open, point out that the Emperor is naked, and let the chips fall where they may, while never again backing down or giving ground. I learned a long time ago that the only way to deal with bullies is make them eat shit, and eat shit good, and not let up until they are your boys.

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(12-08-2017, 01:53 AM)Ninurta Wrote: With all due respect to Ms. May, there are already no prospects for peace in that region, and have not been for millennia.
This move doesn't make it any worse, it just brings it out into the open.

Muslims in general, and Palestinians in particular, have no desire for peace other than peace on THEIR terms -meaning
Islamic domination. It's been that way in Jerusalem since 638 AD, and has no prospects of changing in the near future...'

You won't any disagreement from me with that statement, I think that the general policy of most western countries is:
'Keep giving them a little ground and hopefully, a semi-assimilation will happen'

It just might happen, but it'll be late in the day when the meek realise it's a 70/30 cut and not in the west's favour.
And that's what's happened here, those who had the brains to avoid the grunt-work and enjoyed the trappings of a
nice, happy environment have now found themselves at the corner where the school bullies hang out.
A smile won't do it and no amount of offered candy will placate them. It's the time for meeting fire with fire.

Quote:'...Sure, they'll smile and nod and say "yes, yes!" as long as they are being kowtowed to, as long as they think they are
gaining ground in the domination arena But it's not what's in their hearts or their private conversations.
It's just for public consumption. They'll pay lip-service to a "two state solution" as long as it's getting them gaining the
ground they want, but just change that dynamic a little bit, just backtrack a little or stand your ground, and watch the
howling and gnashing of teeth commence!...'

It's in the Muslim make-up to deceive in the name of spreading their controlling ideology. I get that, nobility in war is
for the movies. The laughable part is that Prime Minister May wouldn't have a chance at the office -not because she's
useless and seems scared, but simply because she is a woman and women are confined to the back of the mosque.

Quote:'...There will be no "two state solution" - it's a pipe dream,meant to mollify not-muslims. The Palestinians and other Muslims
would never allow that, despite the lip-service they pay to it.

Might as well get it out in the open, point out that the Emperor is naked, and let the chips fall where they may, while never
again backing down or giving ground. I learned a long time ago that the only way to deal with bullies is make them eat
shit, and eat shit good, and not let up until they are your boys...'

Nuff said! Meet fire with fire.
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