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What is really behind this COVID move?
#21
@"xuenchen" - There is definitely something at play here, behind the scenes. It's becoming more and more obvious.
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#22
(06-25-2020, 12:33 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: We have to have a second wave; it's the only way the Dems can push the mail-in ballots in November. Too dangerous to go to your polls to vote. 

They are lying! 

And wearing a mask is bad for you. You need to breath in oxygen, not your own C02 that you just exhaled through a mask. Lack of oxygen has been causing people to faint. Not good. 

I've heard some people say the tests are tainted with the virus to make it show a positive result. I have no source on this other than someone saying it on Twitter. Don't know if they had proof, or not. 

They also have to push it to make people fearful so they can push their vaccine on people, even though it's been proven by numerous doctors that HCQ works in the beginning stages to kill it.

The PCR tests are horrible for diagnostic purposes. This piece is pretty good.. Covering a lot of bases, with facts, personal interjection, etc. I consider it a beautiful piece of journalism, beyond being relevant to PCR tests.

This vid covers the issue with the whole "reinfection" topic:


There are massive issues with testing. Fauci and others are the common factor between HIV/AIDS & SARS-CoV-2/covid19.

The masks topic is quite interesting. We hear about "viral load," and that the masks are for if someone is sick but doesnt know it.. And whats the result for a patient who might have otherwise been "fine," but wears a mask constantly increasing viral load? Hmm...

HCQ, specifically when considered as a zinc ionophore+zinc, has nearly 2 decades worth of research. Not just in stalling/preventing viral replication in general, but specifically for SARS/MERS & many respiratory tract infections. Its actually incredible stuff that has implications far, far beyond a single pathogen. Now.. That doesnt necessarily mean it will apply with this novel coronavirus, but case reports show pretty damn clearly it is incredibly promising at the absolute least.

Basically.. Stall/prevent viral replication early on. If that isnt possible, stall/prevent the cytokine storm. Outside of very, very serious preexisting conditions, that will pretty much handle things for the vast majority of patients. There will still be some patient-specific needs, like some may need a protease (like lumbrokinase) to assist with blood issues. 

There are a ton of ways to accomplish those goals too, many of which are nearly universal. A cytokine storm can present in a staggering variety of ways, which can lead to the impression it has "All The Symptoms Evar!" But, they can be handled similarly across the board. Corticosteroids in particular are effective immunosuppresants.

Notably, this cytokine presentation means that typical vaccines which provoke an immune response can have disastrous results. Exactly as we see from earlier attempts at SARS vaccines.

ETA: To be clear though, even most "experts" are coming out and putting the IFR at .25%-1%. That doesnt mean its not dangerous for some (like countless pathogens out there), but the research in the past 2 decades holds a lot of answers. Particularly in terms of Zinc, Vit D, Vit C, and things like Artemesinin (from Artemesia annua). Also.. Not a doctor. Just have access to the same research (most of its public).
#23
(06-24-2020, 03:13 AM)Sol Wrote: My ears are open to opinions. What do you think?
I had to ponder on this for a while. I think it depends on who you are referring to.

Remember, there is no "Illuminati." There are, instead, "illuminatis" (plural), all with their own little basket of pet agendas. All want power above all else, but not all are aligned on everything that happens. They are not even really aligned on some things when their actions say different; the same actions can have different goals.

I think China (the CCP, not the people) is using this virus as a way to attack the US economically. Trump just signed a Phase I trade deal with them, and it is far less profitable to China than the previous poor excuse of trade. The tariffs are destroying them from the inside. They desperately need either a bargaining chip or to get Donald Trump out of office as quickly as possible and replace him with someone they know can be bought. Why then did it infect other countries? Because the CCP didn't care about the other countries.

The DNC is using the virus to rid themselves of Donald Trump. Trump is dangerous to their way of life, always calling them out on the idiocy of their programs and actions, and opposing them in implementing policies. If social distancing is still required at election time and mail-in balloting becomes law, it will be far easier to shift the election results.

The Democratic governors are trying to assist the DNC and cover their own butts by making it more difficult to congregate and talk. Hair salons and bars are always a good place to strike up a conversation; is it any real coincidence that they are te places being closed the longest? If people cannot talk among themselves, they will get their information from the DNC controlled media.

Trump himself is caught in a web of conspiracy. I think he knows that this is all a big scam, but if he comes out and says so the political fallout will destroy him. So he's doing the only thing he can right now: talking up the economy and trying to get the 50 governors to open their economies.

Most of the Republican governors (at least, the ones not beholden to the Establishment) got caught as well, and are actually trying to open their states without being seen as reckless by the public and the media. I'm sure some (like Kay Ivey) are actually terrified of what could happen if they don't get the states open... you think an unruly mob of leftists are bad news? You obviously have never seen a ticked off mob of rednecks. There's a reason people in Washington DC are talking about a Federal lynching law when there hasn't been a lynching in living memory.

The Democratic mayors of the larger cities are caught in a web of their own making. When George Floyd was murdered, it started a revolt. People were already going stir-crazy from the lockdowns, so the protests turned into riots. The mayors couldn't very well try and deny the revolts without being seen as racist themselves by the same definitions they have been using against their opponents. Then they couldn't very well go shooting BLM supporters without putting themselves in the same group as Floyd's murderer. They had no choice but to try appeasement; anything else was political suicide by bazooka.

Appeasement, though, never works for long. Now the cities are coming apart at the seams.

At the same time the cities are falling into chaos, Trump is avoiding blame for the virus and is being seen as sympathetic to the Floyd family. Biden is seen as cowering in his basement. The governors need a second wave of panic, but at the same time the mayors are fighting a losing battle with their own issues. Thus we have the DNC fighting itself in order to try and control two uncontrollable issues. Is it any wonder things are falling apart?

It's going to get worse, too. Buckle up.

Other countries have their own power struggles... but all of them are geared to one and only one objective: gain power over people. The one thing God never gave Adam dominion over.

TheRedneck
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#25
I think it's a kind of 'reset' on specific levels-mainly finance. I haven't ironed out all the wrinkles
to this theory, but global fiat money is definitely high on the list along with social-control testing.

Testing the public's willingness to go along, for what..? I don't know. But one thing I'm sure of
and have been from the very beginning is that they are looking for something that is connected
to blood or the ingredients that make up particular individuals.

INMHO.
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#26
Everything said here I more or less agree with, the virus was man made and released to study how virus spreads and how to control the people.
I would like to add my little bit to this story but under "what if"
What if this virus was a targeted virus, designed to attack a set group but with designed over spill to other groups. We have all the reaction and fear of every one and people running for a vaccine. Now the people who invent the vaccine are not the people who make the vaccine, so during the mass production of the vaccine X is added, say to help it shelf life. But what X does is protect better the group you wish to protect with the next virus and weaken the group you wish to target. New virus new vaccine more accuracy more  targeted, and over time you can control the sort of world population you want without all the fuss of people shouting about it.
In time they will release a virus that will kill if a vaccine is not taken. So change the X in the vaccine and you can kill or control the people of the world. What group lives what group dies, what group can have children what group cant, what group has a high IQ what group a low IQ.
There is nothing you can do about it, dont take the vaccine and the virus kills you, take the vaccine and you are controlled.
Could humans be so cruel, well the person who started chemical warfare in WW1 won the Noble peace prize.
I dont know about other people but this made my ass hairs stand up. Some times I wish I did not think so deeply
#27
(06-25-2020, 10:25 AM)Wallfire Wrote: Everything said here I more or less agree with, the virus was man made and released to study how virus spreads and how to
control the people...
I had to laugh when I listened to a news report that stated the virus wasn't exactly designed to attach itself in
the most efficient way and ergo, couldn't be man-made. What bothered me wasn't the virus's alleged failings that
sort-of proved it to be natural, it was there had to be a MSM news article SAYING it wasn't man-made!!
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#28
Another thing I have been thinking about over the years, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, all the same thing but with different colour underwear.
If this is so, then why are they fighting.? Well if we look at the Catholic church and the Protestant church. They both believe in the same thing, have the same sort of members, want to do Gods will are over 90% the same but the one different is who they want to be  the boss. And because of this they will kill each other. Same thing different colour underwear
#29
(06-25-2020, 10:25 AM)Wallfire Wrote: Everything said here I more or less agree with, the virus was man made and released to study how virus spreads and how to control the people.
I would like to add my little bit to this story but under "what if"
What if this virus was a targeted virus, designed to attack a set group but with designed over spill to other groups. We have all the reaction and fear of every one and people running for a vaccine. Now the people who invent the vaccine are not the people who make the vaccine, so during the mass production of the vaccine X is added, say to help it shelf life. But what X does is protect better the group you wish to protect with the next virus and weaken the group you wish to target. New virus new vaccine more accuracy more  targeted, and over time you can control the sort of world population you want without all the fuss of people shouting about it.
In time they will release a virus that will kill if a vaccine is not taken. So change the X in the vaccine and you can kill or control the people of the world. What group lives what group dies, what group can have children what group cant, what group has a high IQ what group a low IQ.
There is nothing you can do about it, dont take the vaccine and the virus kills you, take the vaccine and you are controlled.
Could humans be so cruel, well the person who started chemical warfare in WW1 won the Noble peace prize.
I dont know about other people but this made my ass hairs stand up. Some times I wish I did not think so deeply
 The biggest problem I have with this whole virus vaccine thing is the lack of commonsense that is being utilized.

First, why was it necessary to shut down the world for a virus they admit they don't known a darn thing about, but what they do know, tells them that even if 100% of the people get it, 98% will survive it?

2. The virus is supposed to be novel, meaning they have never seen it before, yet they call it COVID-19, why not a novel name for a novel virus?

3. Vaccines have to have a recognized virus to manipulate, and it takes a long time to formulate, even after the production of a vaccine on a known and familiar virus, the efficacy rate is not 100%. So why would you dare risk fast tracking a vaccine for a virus that you admit you know very little about. 

4. Why would a government use people as guinea pigs to test a vaccine for a virus, when doing nothing, has better odds of survival than taking an unknown solution, concoted for an unknown virus, with an unknown cure.

Now my truly number one question is, who in their right mind would willing allow someone to put that unknown solution, thrown together at "warp speed", into their body or the body of a loved one?

This my dear friends will be the supreme test. Anyone lining up to take this vaccine will be the ones that they have won. The ones that have fully entered the Borg matrix. The ones that will seal our fate. 

When it becomes mandatory to take the vaccines, it is over. They won the beta testing with the face masks. They proved they could get 75% compliance for something that makes no damn sense, has no true proof of efficacy, and people can be used to self police the noncompliant.

I am not saying it is "the" end times. I am saying that the time for sitting on the fence is about to come to an end.

The time to sh*t or get off the pot is right around the corner.

......Oh! On another note. Just how much is our dollar really worth? Just what is backing that dollar? Can you run a financial system on debt? If you can, then we have nothing to worry about, because we have more than enough of that.

For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not. 

Yet I still post.  tinyinlove
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#30
How do you force people to take the vaccine, fear, lose your job, house, car, no money to feed the children, take the vaccine you get everything back.
The vaccine is not about this virus but about targeting the next group with the new virus. Also this virus the one we have now has a 99.4% survival rate. This is one reason I believe its about the vaccine not the virus.
#31
(06-25-2020, 02:25 PM)Wallfire Wrote: How do you force people to take the vaccine, fear, lose your job, house, car, no money to feed the children, take the vaccine you get everything back.
The vaccine is not about this virus but about targeting the next group with the new virus. Also this virus the one we have now has a 99.4% survival rate. This is one reason I believe its about the vaccine not the virus.

Crikey... your suggestion makes sense. "take the vaccine you get everything back" is a helluva drive to someone
who's still reeling from the media's fear-porn.
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#32
(06-25-2020, 02:25 PM)Wallfire Wrote: How do you force people to take the vaccine, fear, lose your job, house, car, no money to feed the children, take the vaccine you get everything back.
The vaccine is not about this virus but about targeting the next group with the new virus. Also this virus the one we have now has a 99.4% survival rate. This is one reason I believe its about the vaccine not the virus.

They have been setting the groundwork for mandatory vaccines for a long time. I used to be a hospital Case Manager. I left because the hospital tried to force me to wear a mask when I refused the vaccine, even though I had very little actual physical presence time with the patients, and almost no physical contact. I walked out of that job without hesitation.That was just back in 2014. I was highly blessed because very shortly after I left, I was recruited for a position as a Forensic's Nurse.

If you go back and just look over the old normal, you will see all the bread crumbs that lead right up to where are today. We can't even use the excuse that we didn't know. We were warned. We knew. We just hoped it would never affect us. We knew many where going to get hit, we just thought if we kept our distance or carried our umbrellas we would not get rained on or be splattered.

So here we are. All together now. Pointing fingers, and fighting everything and everyone, except for those "we" should be fighting. Again, thinking the other guy deserves it, and that we will be spared. Go back to the beginning and you will see it is a never ending circle. We never change, so we keep ending back at the beginning.

For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not. 

Yet I still post.  tinyinlove
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#33
(06-25-2020, 02:28 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 02:25 PM)Wallfire Wrote: How do you force people to take the vaccine, fear, lose your job, house, car, no money to feed the children, take the vaccine you get everything back.
The vaccine is not about this virus but about targeting the next group with the new virus. Also this virus the one we have now has a 99.4% survival rate. This is one reason I believe its about the vaccine not the virus.

Crikey... your suggestion makes sense. "take the vaccine you get everything back" is a helluva drive to someone
who's still reeling from the media's fear-porn.

Except, we need to stop thinking like Charlie Brown. Our Lucy is never going to let us kick that football.

They lie, and we have been conditioned to believe the lies. Oz is a fictitious construction of the mind, that only exists if you are willing to play by their rules, if you are willing to invest in someone else providing your needs, or fixing your problems. The world of peace they are selling is yours, if you are willing to throw others under the bus to "maybe" move ahead one space in the line, or if you choose the short cut through a field of poppies, designed to make you feel good about not caring and not doing anything.

They won't have to physically force anyone to do anything. All they have do is sell them an excuse they can use and make others believe. We know they lie to us, but we will never admit that we lie to ourselves.

For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not. 

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#34
Health workers must take the yearly flu shot in Finland but so far nothing said about covid varus. However Denmark has already passed a law that when the covid vaccine is ready EVERYONE must take it. I think most countries will do the same
#35
(06-25-2020, 04:38 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Health workers must take the yearly flu shot in Finland but so far nothing said about covid varus. However Denmark has already passed a law that when the covid vaccine is ready EVERYONE must take it. I think most countries will do the same

I refuse to be a guinea pig. If it comes to that I will go into full retirement and just live simply and isolated back in the hundred acre woods.

I am too tired. It is up to each individual. I can barely fight my fight. I can't fight alone. If we don't do it together then we will fail together.

For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not. 

Yet I still post.  tinyinlove
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(06-25-2020, 05:07 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 04:38 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Health workers must take the yearly flu shot in Finland but so far nothing said about covid varus. However Denmark has already passed a law that when the covid vaccine is ready EVERYONE must take it. I think most countries will do the same

I refuse to be a guinea pig. If it comes to that I will go into full retirement and just live simply and isolated back in the hundred acre woods.

I am too tired. It is up to each individual. I can barely fight my fight. I can't fight alone. If we don't do it together then we will fail together.

I think the same, but we have already lost, it will be take the vaccine or no job, no money, no bank loans ect
#37
(06-25-2020, 02:28 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 02:25 PM)Wallfire Wrote: How do you force people to take the vaccine, fear, lose your job, house, car, no money to feed the children, take the vaccine you get everything back.
The vaccine is not about this virus but about targeting the next group with the new virus. Also this virus the one we have now has a 99.4% survival rate. This is one reason I believe its about the vaccine not the virus.

Crikey... your suggestion makes sense. "take the vaccine you get everything back" is a helluva drive to someone
who's still reeling from the media's fear-porn.

That won't work with me. The Democrat virus (so named because it apparently votes Democrat) hasn't hurt me financially at all... if anything, I'm $1200 to the good, not to mention what I have saved on gas.

Haven't worn a mask yet, although I do social distance (there's a stoopid virus airborne that does scare me). Never had a flu shot and still not dead. Not gonna get this one either. They'll just have to forgive me for not dying like a good little soldier. Some people have trouble with math... I have trouble with dying. Not my forte.

TheRedneck
#38
(06-25-2020, 05:17 PM)Wallfire Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 05:07 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 04:38 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Health workers must take the yearly flu shot in Finland but so far nothing said about covid varus. However Denmark has already passed a law that when the covid vaccine is ready EVERYONE must take it. I think most countries will do the same

I refuse to be a guinea pig. If it comes to that I will go into full retirement and just live simply and isolated back in the hundred acre woods.

I am too tired. It is up to each individual. I can barely fight my fight. I can't fight alone. If we don't do it together then we will fail together.

I think the same, but we have already lost, it will be take the vaccine or no job, no money, no bank loans ect

I doubt that they'll go that far. In the medical field here in Montreal, vaccines are mandatory. H1N1 was mandatory. Flu shots are mandatory. No doubt that the covid 19 vaccine will be mandatory - for people working in the medical field.

For the whole population...they will strongly recommend, like they did with every other shot or vaccines. They'll troll the medias to have people shit their pants with fear and a lot will be convinced that it's a good thing, like it happened in the past.

Ain't working with me.
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#39
I have taken the flu shot every year for many years, im not so sure about this covid shot, so i will wait and see
#40
(06-25-2020, 05:24 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: That won't work with me. The Democrat virus (so named because it apparently votes Democrat) hasn't hurt me financially at all... if anything, I'm $1200 to the good, not to mention what I have saved on gas.

Haven't worn a mask yet, although I do social distance (there's a stoopid virus airborne that does scare me). Never had a flu shot and still not dead. Not gonna get this one either. They'll just have to forgive me for not dying like a good little soldier. Some people have trouble with math... I have trouble with dying. Not my forte.

TheRedneck

I am in the medical field but I left hands on Nursing decades ago.

If it gets to the point where I have to take the vaccines, I will stop performing any services that require face face personal contact.

Luckily my job has a position that can be performed through tele-medicine, that requires no direct patient contact. 

If my job still requires the vaccine, then I will just hang up my camera and my virtual stethoscope, and pass the baton.

For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not. 

Yet I still post.  tinyinlove
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