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Current Electric Cars
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Quote:A Different Aspect About Electric Cars!! 
INTERESTING -  IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYINGA GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!  WHO WILL BEAR THE BURDEN? 
In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car: 
Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile has never been discussed.
All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with not a mention of the cost to run it.
This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.
Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet it’s being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.
 At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executiveI asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approx. 25 homes),the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla charge.
For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.
 So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system!  This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following.
 Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes,
"For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery.  So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours.  In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
 According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.  The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.  I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $010 per mile.
 The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus.
So the Canadian and American Governments wants loyal citizens not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country. 
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So,,,,,,,, TRUE!!
Excellent article.
Once A Rogue, Always A Rogue!
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#3
Very good points, add to them that each car will need its own parking place with a charge point, the electrical infrastructure will need to be compleaty rebuilt as it will have to run at a 100% 24/7. Each work place will have to have parking places for there employees as all other parking places will be reserved. All that is needed is for a few distribution centers to be taken off line ( fire , terrorism ect) and a whole city will grind to a halt as no one can travel.
Its stupid beyond words.
#4
minusculeredtantrum Yeah, we chatted about this in a previous thread HERE

The UK and most of the EU are being forced into electric vehicles by the BANNING of new Petrol/Diesel car sales by 2040.
But the truth is that the infrastructure AND THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES are nowhere near up to the task yet.

And, as Sky pointed out above - there are hidden costs with electric vehicles... The batteries don't last forever and will need replaced every 2 or 3 years at what cost?? (Both financially and environmentally.) What about the disposal of the "used" batteries?? And how do they plan to generate all of the extra electricity involved??? Nuclear Power Stations? More Gas/Coal burning ones???

It is MADNESS in the extreme.

Why does no one mention Hydrogen power anymore?
Hydrogen is the most abundant chemical element in the universe.
It can be easily produced by passing electricity through water (electrolysis) and by other methods like extracting it from natural gas.

When you burn Hydrogen it doesn't give off any "carbon" based emissions, so no "Climate Change" gases.
It can be used in Hydrogen Fuel Cells to generate Electricity, which in turn can drive electric motors without the need for batteries. The fuel cells work by electro-chemically combining hydrogen, stored in a pressurised tank, with air to generate an electric current; the only emission is WATER vapour, which could (of course) be used to regenerate more Hydrogen!
I heard YEARS AGO that every small-time developer/maker of hydrogen fuel cells and hydrogen car prototypes was being taken over or bought up by the big car makers (to suppress the tech and allow gasoline to rule unchallenged).
There are still one or two out there, but HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THEM??
Every article that I've ever seen about them (and that is only a handful) has been laced with mad-scientist type rhetoric... "Inventor" "dream" etc.

I'll link one of them HERE for you - to prove that I'm not making this all up!! LOL

Thoughts?
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#5
I think people will find that the reason that electric power is been pushed so hard is that the ME countries have been buying the mining rights in country's that are rich in the minerals needed to make batteries and electronics for all the new cars. Any one remember OPEC and the 70s, what we are looking at is version 2 of what was done in the 70s.
#6
An interesting bit of information about making diesels very clean, lets see what TPTB do with this.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/technolo...ailsignout

Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel ENGINES

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[Image: AAwjIIW.img?h=472&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f]© PARobert Bosch GmbH said its engineers have developed a new diesel-exhaust system that cuts emissions far below legal limits taking effect in 2020 and can help automakers avoid potential driving bans in Europe that threaten to doom the engine technology.

“This breakthrough offers the opportunity to shift the heated debate over diesel into new territory and, hopefully, bring it to a close," Bosch Chief Executive Officer Volkmar Denner said Wednesday at a press conference outside Stuttgart.
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Volkmar Denner

The German engineering giant, the biggest supplier of diesel-engine technology to global automakers from Volkswagen AG to General Motors Co. to Fiat Chrysler NV, is stepping up the fight against eroding market share sparked by VW’s 2015 emissions-cheating scandal. While tens of thousands of jobs hinge on the technology, customers are increasingly opting for gasoline engines as cities like Paris and London consider imposing driving bans to improve air quality.

Automakers have relied on diesel to help the industry meet limits on CO2 emissions, a contributor to global warming. But while it emits less CO2 than gasoline-fueled engines, the technology also generates nitrogen oxides that help create harmful smog, a problem most acute in big cities.

Bosch’s new process optimizes thermal management of exhaust temperatures, slashing nitrogen oxide emissions to one-tenth of the legally permitted limit, and doesn’t require new hardware, Denner said. The system keeps emissions stable even at cold temperatures, he said.

[Image: AAwjC6F.img?h=433&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f]© Bloomberg“With this new exhaust technology, blanket driving bans in the centers of the world’s major cities will no longer be an issue. Why? Because we now have the technology to resolve the problem of nitrogen oxides in road traffic," Denner said.

Bosch’s role as leading global supplier has come under scrutiny as German prosecutors investigate potentially illegal diesel-engine technology used by automakers to pass emission tests. Denner reiterated Bosch fully cooperates with the relevant authorities. He called for more transparency in emission tests for cars with combustion engines as well as electric vehicles to allow a realistic view of the exact impact on the environment and air quality.

He said the company is prohibiting technology that recognizes test cycles and its products aren’t allowed to be optimized for test situations any more. Regulators have stepped up efforts to narrow the gap between official emission labels based on lab tests and real driving emissions.

NOW SEE: [url=https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/dieselgate-leaves-uk%E2%80%99s-car-industry-in-crisis/ar-AAwdwqK?li=BBx1bGE&item=personalization_enabled%3afalse]Dieselgate is killing the UK's car industry

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#7
Yeah, NICE ONE @"Wallfire" that's an interesting read for sure!
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#8
Quote:Tesla posts record $710m net loss as it struggles to produce Model 3 cars.

Elon Musk got testy with analysts amid concerns over company’s future, after it burned
through $745.3m in cash during important quarter.

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'Tesla posted a record $709.6m net loss in the first quarter and burned through $745.3m in
cash while struggling to crank out large numbers of its Model 3 mass-market electric car.

The loss and cash burn announced on Wednesday raised questions about the company’s future
and whether it would be able to pay all of its bills by early next year without more borrowing or
another round of stock sales.

During a sometimes testy conference call with analysts, Tesla’s CEO, Elon Musk, conceded that
criticism was valid but said it was “quite likely” the company would make money and have positive
cash flow in the third quarter.

“It’s high time we became profitable,” said Musk, who also promised restructuring this month to
achieve profit goals. “The truth is you’re not a real company until you are, frankly.
That’s our focus right now.”

But Tesla investors gave a rare rebuke to Musk after he cut off analysts asking about future profit
potential, sending shares down 5% despite promises that production of the troubled Model 3 electric
car was on track.

Tesla stock was little changed after the earnings announcement but fell during a conference call with
analysts, when Musk began cutting analysts’ questions short, costing Tesla over $2bn in market
capitalization. 

“These questions are so dry. They’re killing me,” Musk said after an analyst asked what percentage of
Tesla 3 reservation holders have started to configure options for their cars, an indicator of how much
profit Tesla will be able to wring from the vehicles. Another analyst asked about a capital requirement
before being cut off.

Musk then took several questions in a row about plans for a self-driving car network and other long-term
projects from the host of a YouTube channel focused on investing, praising the questions as not boring.

Tesla said its net loss amounted to $4.19 per share. Excluding one-time expenses such as stock-based
compensation, the company lost $3.35 per share. Revenue grew by 26% from a year ago to $3.4bn.

The giant loss in a critical quarter for the 15-year-old company fell short of Wall Street estimates.
Analysts polled by FactSet expected an adjusted loss of $3.54 per share. Revenue, however, exceeded
estimates of $3.28bn.

In April, Tesla said it would not need to return to markets for more capital because it expected to generate
cash from sales of the Model 3. But it has had trouble getting them out the door to several hundred thousand
people who put down $1,000 deposits to order one.

Moody’s Investor Service downgraded Tesla’s debt into junk territory back in March, warning at the time that
Tesla didn’t have cash to cover $3.7bn for normal operations, capital expenses and debt that come due early
next year. At the end of last year the company had a total of $9.5bn in long-term debt.

“The negative outlook reflects the likelihood that Tesla will have to undertake a large, near-term capital raise in
order to refund maturing obligations and avoid a liquidity shortfall,” Moody’s wrote in a note to investors.

Tesla has had only two profitable quarters in its nearly eight years as a public company.
The key to raising cash to cover expenses is production of the Model 3 mass-market electric car, which starts
at $35,000 but can easily top $50,000 with options.

Musk said the restructuring would involve getting rid of third-party contractors that have grown out of control.
“We’re going to scrub barnacles on that front,” he said.
He admitted that Tesla made a mistake by adding too much automation too quickly at the factory.

The plant has missed Musk’s forecasts by a wide mark. When production started last summer he promised to
build 20,000 Model 3s during the month of December. Instead, Tesla made only 2,425 during the entire fourth
quarter.

Then Tesla forecast 10,000 Model 3s per month at the end of the first quarter. As it turned out, just under 9,800
were assembled from January through March, Tesla said in April. The Fremont, California, factory was shut down
for four or five days last month to clear production bottlenecks, Tesla said.

The company, which also makes solar panels, predicted in April that production would climb rapidly through the
second quarter and reach about 5,000 vehicles per week – which would return Tesla to its originally promised
20,000 per month rate – around the end of June. It predicted high sales and strong cash flow in the third quarter.

“As a result Tesla does not require an equity or debt raise this year, apart from standard credit lines,” the company
said.
The Model 3 is the most important piece of Tesla’s plan to become a mainstream automaker.
At one point it had more than 500,000 potential buyers on a waiting list. But in April the company conceded that
some had cancelled, although it refused to give numbers. Tesla said reservations “remained stable” through the
first quarter.

Tesla has had only two profitable quarters in its nearly eight years as a public company...'
The Guardian:


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(05-03-2018, 09:30 PM)BIAD Wrote:
Quote:Tesla posts record $710m net loss as it struggles to produce Model 3 cars.

Elon Musk got testy with analysts amid concerns over company’s future, after it burned
through $745.3m in cash during important quarter...
The Guardian:

ooops! LOL
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#10
Another article about the push to have London as a diesel-free city, although it's written
as if this there's a concern about charger-points being low across the UK.
The Daily Mail being very slippery again!

Quote:The UK's electric car charging is 'playing catch-up', as study reveals 85,500 chargers are needed
in the next two years to meet demand.

*New study estimates that 1million electric cars will be used in the UK in 2020
*Data experts Emu Analytics say 100,000 public chargers will be needed by then
*Currently, there are just 16,500 public chargers in the UK
*A report from the London Assembly said 60% of the capital's drivers will be reliant
on public chargers as they don't have off-street parking at home 


'Another 83,500 public electric-car charging points need to be installed by 2020, if Britain is to keep up
with the increasing demand for zero-emissions vehicles. Currently there are just 16,500 public charge points
in the UK. But with a million plug-in electric cars due to be registered by 2020, this figure needs to increase
sixfold to cope with demand.

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Stock Photo to imply the need for electric cars is casually already underway.

And it's drivers in London and other big cities that are in desperate need for the infrastructure to be improved,
with three in five residents totally reliant on them because they don't have garages or driveways they can use
to safely charge vehicles.

Data firm Emu Analytics said the UK will need 100,000 public charge points in total in two years, if it's to match
the expected increase in ownership of plug-in cars. It estimates that some one million electric vehicles will be
driven by motorists by 2020 as drivers look to switch allegiances from petrol and diesel power due to increased
tax on combustion engine vehicles, city bans and incentives to buy plug-in models.

That will be a huge uptake compared to the 150,000 electric cars in the UK currently.
But already there aren't enough public chargers, with the study identifying that there is just one charging point for
every nine EVs.

Ramping up efforts to meet the 2020 prediction means there will still only be one public charger between every
10 electric models. While charging industry insiders will argue that the majority of owners will replenish their vehicle's
batteries either at home or at their work place, any extended trip will rely on the availability of chargers en route.

The data company said a pure electric car's range is typically between 100 and 200 miles, meaning owners will find
themselves in situations of needing a boost in power from a public charger if covering journeys within or exceeding
the limits of a vehicle's single-charge capability.

The London Assembly Environment Committee has also been looking into the issue of a shortfall in public chargers
this week. It said the number of electric cars in London is 'booming' with over 12,000 models registered in the capital,
and the infrastructure was already trying to play catch-up.

While it argued that those living in the capital fortunate enough to have driveways or garages are most likely to buy an
electric car, this only accounts for 40 per cent of the Greater London population. The remaining 60 per cent would have
to fully rely on on-street chargers, which London Assembly's report said are 'not being installed quickly enough'.
It added: 'Available borough funding for charging points in heavily over-subscribed.'

The report also called on car clubs to incorporate more electric vehicles into their fleets. 
Leonie Cooper, former chair of the Environment Committee, said: 'An electric vehicle is a great option for Londoners in
the minority of cases when a journey can’t be done by public transport, walking or cycling. 

'These cars are cleaner, quieter and much better for the environment. What puts people off though, is not knowing whether
they will be able to find a charger. 'We need to get the number and location of charging points right, as well as raise
awareness of charging points in the capital. This infrastructure is essential if London is to continue the electric vehicles
revolution.'

Emu Analytics' research also looked into the cities with the most and least public chargers per EV owners in the regions.
Newcastle was identified as having one of the best EV charger ratios with 1.45 cars per plug-in point. 

At the opposite end of the spectrum was Peterborough, which had a staggering 485 cars per charger -though more people
in the Cambridgeshire city have off-street parking facilities to charge at home compared to Londoners. 
The study also asked people where they think more chargers should be installed.

Supermarkets were named as the preferred location for charging points, though only three per cent of large grocery stores
currently operate a charging point, with ASDA offering the best coverage at 19 per cent of their premises. 
Tesco, on the other hand, had chargers at 0.4 per cent of its stores.

CEO of Emu Analytics Richard Vilton said: 'Ultimately the UK, by investing in the right way early, has the opportunity to be a
global leader in Electric Vehicles, benefiting businesses, towns, cities and communities by preparing for a sustainable
future.'...'
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For the idea of everyone having an electric car to work, each car must have it own parking/charging place at work and at home, think about trying to do that in London.
The electrical infrastructure will have to work at 100% or very close to it, and there is noway it can do that.
The best way to go is large parking areas outside city's, staggered working times , free transport, and all commercial and public transport, taxis, been electrical driven in the city.
#12
(05-03-2018, 10:33 PM)gordi Wrote: ooops! LOL

On the back of Gordi's 'Ooops!'

Quote:Tesla on fire: UK director Michael Morris' car bursts into flames.

'A Tesla car driven by British TV director Michael Morris burst into flames in Los Angeles, his US actress
wife has said. Mary McCormack tweeted a dramatic video of the incident earlier this week.

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"No accident, out of the blue, in traffic on Santa Monica Blvd.
Thank you to the kind couple who flagged him down and told him to pull over," she wrote.
No-one was injured. Tesla said it was investigating "an extraordinarily unusual occurrence".

Tesla says its electric vehicles are less likely to catch fire than fuel-powered cars.

In her tweet, West Wing actress McCormack also wrote:
"And thank god my three little girls weren't in the car with him (her husband)."

Firefighters were called in and the fire was soon extinguished.
McCormack later tweeted that the car "wasn't a Tesla with auto pilot
or whatever. It was a normal Tesla."

A Tesla spokesperson told ABC News:
"We offer our support to local authorities and are glad our customer is safe. This is an extraordinarily
unusual occurrence, and we are investigating the incident to find out what happened."
McCormack and Morris, a former director of London's Old Vic theatre and of the recent TV series
13 Reasons Why, have been married since 2003...'
SOURCE:
"...Tesla says its electric vehicles are less likely to catch fire than fuel-powered cars." 
For a second there I was worried.
tinysurprised


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#13
This isn't to just bump the thread, it's just a fantastic idea in regards of electric cars that could be a
game-changer.

The idea doesn't help in the logistics of electric-fuel availability, but it could widen the spaces between
pumping stations. It'll be interesting to see how this notion is approached by Big-Oil!

However, the realities of changing the current situation of vehicle manufacturing and all it's trickle-down
benefits in the global economy, will probably mean this idea will be purchased and used in another capacity.

(Oh -and it's scary when I take a post from one website and then clicking onto the Rogue Nation site's
Search facility, the first-thing it offers is 'electric cars'!! WTF?!)

Quote:Researchers say new 'flow battery' could charge electric cars in seconds

'Vehicles would no longer need hours to charge with the pumpable liquid able to store high amounts
of electricity and hydrogen.

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Electric cars could be charged up and ready to go within seconds, according to scientists developing
a new type of energy storage system.

Chemists from the University of Glasgow have developed a flow battery system using a nano-molecule
that can store electric power or hydrogen gas in a new hybrid energy storage system.

Speaking about their "hybrid-electric-hydrogen" flow battery in the Nature Chemistry journal, they said
it was based on the design of a nanoscale battery molecule and that it could release power on demand
as electricity or as hydrogen gas -both of which could be used to fuel cars.

According to the study, when a concentrated liquid containing the nano-molecules is made, the amount
of energy it can store increases tenfold and the energy can be released as either electricity or hydrogen
gas, allowing for flexibility in its use.

A benefit could be that electric cars would no longer need hours to charge with the material being a
pumpable liquid. It means electric car batteries could be recharged in about the same time it would
take to fill up a petrol car.
The new liquid could be used to replace old battery liquid to recharge electric vehicles.

The method was developed by Professor Leroy Cronin, Dr Mark Symes and Dr Jia Jia Chen, who say it
will pave the way for new energy storage systems for electric cars, new ways of storing renewable energy
and lead the development of electric-to-gas energy systems for when a fuel is needed.

"For future renewables to be effective, high capacity and flexible energy storage systems are needed to
smooth out the peaks and troughs in supply," said Professor Cronin.
"Our approach will provide a new route to do this electrochemically and could even have application in electric
cars where batteries can still take hours to recharge and have limited capacity.

"Moreover, the very high energy density of our material could increase the range of electric cars, and also
increase the resilience of energy storage systems to keep the lights on at times of peak demand."...'
SKY News:

Here is the actual article from Gordi's neck-of-the-woods!
Quote:LIQUID BATTERY COULD LEAD TO FLEXIBLE ENERGY STORAGE
Issued: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 18:00:00 BST

A new type of energy storage system could revolutionise energy storage and drop the charging time of
electric cars from hours to seconds.

In a new paper published today in the journal Nature Chemistry, chemists from the University of Glasgow
discuss how they developed a flow battery system using a nano-molecule that can store electric power
or hydrogen gas giving a new type of hybrid energy storage system that can be used as a flow battery or
for hydrogen storage.

Their ‘hybrid-electric-hydrogen’ flow battery, based upon the design of a nanoscale battery molecule can
store energy, releasing the power on demand as electric power or hydrogen gas that can be used a fuel.

When a concentrated liquid containing the nano-molecules is made, the amount of energy it can store
increases by almost 10 times. The energy can be released as either electricity or hydrogen gas meaning
that the system could be used flexibly in situations that might need either a fuel or electric power.

One potential benefit of this system is that electric cars could be charged in seconds, as the material is a
pumpable liquid. This could mean that the battery of an electric car could be “recharged” in roughly the
same length of time as petrol cars can be filled up. The old battery liquid would be removed at the same
time and recharged ready to be used again.

The approach was designed and developed by Professor Leroy (Lee) Cronin, the University of Glasgow’s
Regius Chair of Chemistry, and Dr Mark Symes, Senior Lecturer in Electrochemistry, also at the University
of Glasgow with Dr Jia Jia Chen, who is a researcher in the team.

They are convinced that this result will help pave the way for the development of new energy storage systems
that could be used in electric cars, for the storage of renewable energy, and to develop electric-to-gas energy
systems for when a fuel is required.

Professor Cronin said: “For future renewables to be effective high capacity and flexible energy storage systems
are needed to smooth out the peaks and troughs in supply.

Our approach will provide a new route to do this electrochemically and could even have application in electric cars
where batteries can still take hours to recharge and have limited capacity. Moreover, the very high energy density
of our material could increase the range of electric cars, and also increase the resilience of energy storage
systems to keep the lights on at times of peak demand.”

This research is funded by the University of Glasgow complex chemistry initiative as well as the European Research
Council (ERC) and the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC). 
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#14
OK, that'll never be marketed. 
Great idea for electric car and truck Al Gore types (except Gore doesn't own a electric car) out there thinking they are saving the planet.

We are not those people, actually our Dodge truck 4 wheel drive crew cab 2500 with a 6.7 diesel engine has to be Emission Tested Every Year here in AZ.
Cost is $25. extra and then the cost of your yearly registration is another cost. 
It is a Scam to collect more money for the County.

So, it the Counties in America that order their drivers to have an Emissions Test (cost is Extra) before they can renew their registration, start losing that extra income then they'll have to close down that service and lay-off all those employees.
They'll need to go to the voters and raise some form of tax.

That may be another reason that a Electric Car or two in every garage in America is NOT going to happen. JMHO
Plus if they ever did actually switch over our Semi Tractor-Trailers heavy haulers to all Electric Engines, all our Weight Station in America for weighing the loads on the big trucks Steering tires, drive tires and then the tires on the trailers axles would have to be changed in some way, just think how heavy those electric drive motors on each drive tire (there are actually two drive axles  when you engage the second differential for 8 wheel drive in snow and ice) would be and not to mention the batteries.
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Our CB was in the upper compartment. 
Just our Humble opinion
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#15
(08-14-2018, 08:14 PM)guohua Wrote: OK, that'll never be marketed...

Of course not!
The article is designed to continue the stimulation of the electric car idea and show that Musk wasn't
just a flash-in-the-pan. Remember, we're coming to the end of the silly-season and there's nothing
to write about that doesn't involve discussing the Mueller investigation.

There is marketable inventions out there to enhance travel and with the right management, could
benefit the people, but selling something that would decrease company profits, jobs and lobbyists'
power is a sure-way to find yourself shooting yourself in the head a few times with a shotgun!

But these lazy press-releases will be for some-sort of political prodding.

See...? It's just about media-use to promote Musk's ideas.
'Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund pushed to take Tesla private for two years, Elon Musk claims...'
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#16
That liquid energy stuff isn't Whisky is it????

OK, the big fella may be about to rant....


Quote:...when a concentrated liquid containing the nano-molecules is made, the amount

of energy it can store increases tenfold ...

uhm, what?
The amount of energy the liquid can store is increased tenfold when it is "made"???
Do they mean that the nano-particles can hold 10 times more energy once in the liquid?
or that the liquid itself can hold 10 times more energy once it has been nano-fied???
How much energy can they hold????
arrrggh!

OK, on a practical level... you top up your battery-tank with fresh new nano-particle energy liquid... What happens to the old energy liquid? (I only see one pipe on the filler hose.) Is it toxic? (Bet your a$$ it is!!)
How do they collect it? Can it be re-energised? Can it be safely disposed of?
How do they actually electrically charge up the liquid? (Plug it into the mains?? LOL)

I think I smell Bovine Excrement (at least in the reporting).

OK, I have a suggestion.
IF they are MAD enough to push ahead with this Electric car crap...

CHARGING STATIONS WONT WORK!
On a practical level, it takes far too long to re-charge current battery tech.

So, I propose that:

ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS are FORCED to adopt a SINGLE, UNIFORM, STANDARD BATTERY CELL DESIGN.

ALL VEHICLE BATTERIES to be made with THE SAME SIZE & SHAPE & CONNECTIONS etc.

Then, when your battery becomes low/flat you pull into a "filling station" (Gas station) and EXCHANGE your FLAT CELLS for FRESHLY CHARGED ONES. (Which are kept at the Garage / Gas Station / Petrol Station)

The stations would be responsible for charging the old cells and for replacing any that didn't hold an appropriate amount of charge.

Small City Cars might only need one or two battery cells,
Family cars maybe 4 - 6 cells?
Sports cars and delivery vans maybe 8 - 12 cells?
Larger trucks & commercial vehicles maybe 18 or 20???

BUT the point is.... ALL THE CELLS ARE THE SAME and can be exchanged in seconds (think Plug'n'Play).
It would work like how Calor Gas / Patio Gas / Propane Tanks are exchanged & re-filled.

NO NEW INFRASTRUCTURE required! Just add charging stations to existing petrol/gas/service stations.
Hell, we might even be able to go back to a time when an ATTENDANT actually CHANGES OUT our battery cells for us!!

Old cells which are beyond their useful shelf-life get sent off for recycling.
No long queues at garage forecourts or charging points.
No need for MILLIONS of new roadside charging points.
AND...
In theory, people could still re-charge their own cells at home/work if they wanted to!!

As the technology advances - they could introduce NEW IMPROVED BATTERY CELLS with better Power or Efficiency.
That's fine! They just colour them differently and charge slightly more for the "upgrades".
The system is adaptable, flexible and easy to upgrade/change.

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World, You're welcome. (But DON'T DO IT!!! - Use HYDROGEN!!!!!)
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(08-14-2018, 08:14 PM)guohua Wrote: OK, that'll never be marketed. 
Great idea for electric car and truck Al Gore types (except Gore doesn't own a electric car) out there thinking they are saving the planet.

We are not those people, actually our Dodge truck 4 wheel drive crew cab 2500 with a 6.7 diesel engine has to be Emission Tested Every Year here in AZ.
Cost is $25. extra and then the cost of your yearly registration is another cost. 
It is a Scam to collect more money for the County.

So, it the Counties in America that order their drivers to have an Emissions Test (cost is Extra) before they can renew their registration, start losing that extra income then they'll have to close down that service and lay-off all those employees.
They'll need to go to the voters and raise some form of tax.

That may be another reason that a Electric Car or two in every garage in America is NOT going to happen. JMHO
Plus if they ever did actually switch over our Semi Tractor-Trailers heavy haulers to all Electric Engines, all our Weight Station in America for weighing the loads on the big trucks Steering tires, drive tires and then the tires on the trailers axles would have to be changed in some way, just think how heavy those electric drive motors on each drive tire (there are actually two drive axles  when you engage the second differential for 8 wheel drive in snow and ice) would be and not to mention the batteries.
(after my husband retired he obtained his CDL and drove over the road and I came along for 6 years) (PeterBilt 386 red)
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Our CB was in the upper compartment. 
Just our Humble opinion

Did that thing have a fuller gear box ? ok for driving on the roads but not so good in towns. To be honest I hate fuller gear boxes
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@"Wallfire" 
My husband said it was the  Eaton Fuller 10 speed transmission.
He really liked it, in Texas, Nevada and Kansas late at night (03:00 am) he could be in high 10 and cruise at 85 MPH with a fully loaded 53 ft trailer. (No Speed Governor) on the Cummins, He thinks it was the Cummins ISX15 engine, Peterbilt did all our maintenance because of their Great Warranty on their tractor.
On the interstates and freeways he could shift on the fly (in his words) and not grind a gear.

We miss our truck, but the cost of the different licenses to haul all products and insurance and registration and the diesel prices was just to much to make good money. Fill up two 103 gallon tanks and travel 1000 or so miles is not good at $2.85 a gallon (price at the time roughly).
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If it helps, my total input towards a vehicle discussion is... the truck is red.
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(08-15-2018, 09:17 PM)BIAD Wrote: If it helps, my total input towards a vehicle discussion is... the truck is red.
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Here is a picture from the bedroom area of a 2009 386 Peterbilt.  Ours didn't have the extra bunk bed for a second driver, we had one full size bed, Refrigerator and microwave and small closet space with storage under the bed and above. 
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