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RE: Your Thoughts. - Ninurta - 12-07-2021 (12-07-2021, 10:30 AM)Bally002 Wrote: Going out on a limb here from the religious perspective. Being RC and having gone through the nuns, brothers and priests. I'm not a church goer but in answer to the original post, Jesus died on the cross to save us all, weel okay, but his death would be considered a suicide and he knew the outcome. He had a choice if you believe that part of the bible. And then there was Saul, I believe, who "fell upon his own sword". Apart from smarting and leaving a mark, that action probably resulted in a voluntary self termination. Did Saul go to hell for that? Or did he have bigger issues to send him to hell that overshadowed a mere suicide? OR, did he cash in his Believer's Get Out of Jail Free Card and skate past the brimstone gates? In the end, the decision belongs to God alone. . RE: Your Thoughts. - Freija - 12-08-2021 I want one! I’ve avoided this thread because, well you know, stereotypes and all and the popular 41% statistic about trans folks and suicide but frankly, I’ve lived with suicide ideation as far back as I can remember as an attractive exit strategy. So much so that it is my sincere hope that I am able to die by my own hand rather than illness or accident with the fear being my brain rots from dementia or Alzheimer’s disenabling me from controlling my own destiny which is something that ranks pretty high on my list, obviously. I’ve actually come close a couple of times and thought about it real hard more times than that. My junior year of high school (1971/72) when I was 16/17 was probably the most difficult, darkly depressed and desperate year of my life and ending it all seemed like the best and easiest option. I was full of anger, hate and rage and saw no way out of my situation and no possibility of ever having any sort of normal future plus finally starting a very late puberty at 15½ after I’d already begun living as a girl, I was absolutely aghast at what was happening to my otherwise androgynous body and just wanted to die. Fortunately, after years of counseling and therapy with absolutely clueless doctors, my folks found one that understood my transsexualism and started me on estrogen and explained to otherwise clueless me why I was the way I was. Up until then I just thought I was broken and defective so the hormones and a better self understanding of my situation and that there were other people like me gave me the strength and hope to go on and improved my outlook and attitude. Then again around 21 things became so hard and seemingly hopeless that death loomed as an escape from my pain and heartbreak. I was frustrated at the hopelessness of not being able to obtain the surgery I’d always seen as necessary to fix what I considered a birth defect or grand cosmic mistake piled on top of what I saw as the loss of being a fulltime stay at home parent to another woman’s child I had raised as my own from birth for two years. I was a wreck and ended up living with my parents for a while with my mother figuratively talking me down from the ledge a couple times. What kept me going was her noting that even though I couldn’t have my baby all of the time I would still have her part of the time and because we were so tightly bonded, what would my loss do to her young life and that thought helped me soldier on and not think solely of my own misfortunes. That thought alone and my responsibilities as a mother saved my life more than a couple times throughout other dark times I’ve been through and by the time I was 22, the needed surgery thing finally happened. By the time she was 11, “my daughter” was once again living under my roof with me fulltime until she moved out on her own at 18 and being a good parent that was there for her was important to me. (She’s 47 now and we’re still close – I talked to her yesterday and she came to visit last month) The thought of ending it all is something that has been with me a very long time and even as recently as two years ago when my businesses collapsed and I lost everything and was facing homelessness, I had thought of and planned the least impactful way of doing it. There’s really only three people that would care and I discussed my feelings with all of them and to some degree, they were understanding and actually surprised I hadn’t taken myself out long ago. All of them know of my desire to have some degree of control over my final exit and having an option like the Sarco that doesn’t paint my walls with brain matter or leave someone to find my rotting corpse is rather appealing. Here’s two articles I’ve read about this device and death with dignity. Link: Here's Why I Invented A 'Death Machine' That Lets People Take Their Own Lives Quote:A Sarco death is painless. There’s no suffocation, choking sensation or “air hunger” as the user breathes easily in a low-oxygen environment. The sensation is one of well-being and intoxication.” Link: Controversial Assisted Suicide Pod Cleared for Use in Switzerland Quote:The capsule is sitting on a piece of equipment that will flood the interior with nitrogen, rapidly reducing the oxygen level to 1 per cent from 21 per cent in about 30 seconds,” Nitschke told SwissInfo. “The person will feel a little disoriented and may feel slightly euphoric before they lose consciousness. Death takes place through hypoxia and hypocapnia, oxygen and carbon dioxide deprivation, respectively. There is no panic, no choking feeling.” This might also be used as a more humane way of capital punishment? RE: Your Thoughts. - hounddoghowlie - 12-08-2021 (12-07-2021, 09:50 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(12-07-2021, 10:30 AM)Bally002 Wrote: Going out on a limb here from the religious perspective. Being RC and having gone through the nuns, brothers and priests. I'm not a church goer but in answer to the original post, Jesus died on the cross to save us all, weel okay, but his death would be considered a suicide and he knew the outcome. He had a choice if you believe that part of the bible. 1st Samuel is one of my favorite books of the old testement He used his get out of jail free card, when the witch called what she thought would be a demon pretending to be Samuel, it was actually Samuel that showed up. Samuel told him after dressing him down that after the battle tomorrow Saul and his sons would be in paradise with him. Quote:1 Samuel 28 Saul was anointed by God with the holy spirit, and Samuel told him he would be a changed man, Quote:1 Samuel 10 Over time the sinful part of him caused him to disobey God and it was down hill from there, this is like what many call a carnal Christian( those that believe but live as if they don't.) Here is pretty good site that explains it better than I can. Will King Saul be in Heaven? RE: Your Thoughts. - Ninurta - 12-08-2021 (12-08-2021, 04:20 AM)Freija Wrote: So much so that it is my sincere hope that I am able to die by my own hand rather than illness or accident with the fear being my brain rots from dementia or Alzheimer’s disenabling me from controlling my own destiny which is something that ranks pretty high on my list, obviously. I saw a news story today about a new study out that indicates Viagra reduces Alzheimer's occurrences by 69%. One might choose to explore that route before the terminal one. Quote:Here’s two articles I’ve read about this device and death with dignity. That;s a nice try, but they're not going to convince me that oxygen starvation doesn't result in gasping and clawing. Quote:This might also be used as a more humane way of capital punishment? I can't think of a good reason to make capital punishment humane. I don't know of any capital criminals that considered the humanity of the actions that got them there. If they had, they might not have ended up on death row. . RE: Your Thoughts. - Bally002 - 12-08-2021 I'm sorta a bit surprised at this capital punishment by lethal injection. I'm not too sure of the procedure but anaesthetic puts me to sleep immediately. No pain. If I died, I wouldn't know. Like to go that way. I have a procedure next week. If I don't wake up I guess I'd never need worry. Kind regards, Bally.:) RE: Your Thoughts. - Bally002 - 12-08-2021 (12-07-2021, 06:53 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:(12-07-2021, 10:30 AM)Bally002 Wrote: Going out on a limb here from the religious perspective. Being RC and having gone through the nuns, brothers and priests. I'm not a church goer but in answer to the original post, Jesus died on the cross to save us all, weel okay, but his death would be considered a suicide and he knew the outcome. He had a choice if you believe that part of the bible. Appreciate your answer and post. Your opinion is valued. I guess what I was alluding to was that if Jesus had the choice, would he have chosen the capsule option and was it necessary to die the way he did. Then again it was a public display and his fore knowledge of his impending doom has me contemplating that this was a suicide to teach a lesson of forgiveness with regards the sinners. Yes, he had the choice to live. So simply then make a statement and be remembered the modern version might be aligned to death by cop shooting. This is miles away from the death of Jesus but I simply draw the parallel. Please feel free to offering your opinion further. Loves you all at Rogue, Bally:) RE: Your Thoughts. - NightskyeB4Dawn - 12-08-2021 (12-08-2021, 10:45 AM)Bally002 Wrote: Appreciate your answer and post. Your opinion is valued. I guess what I was alluding to was that if Jesus had the choice, would he have chosen the capsule option and was it necessary to die the way he did. Then again it was a public display and his fore knowledge of his impending doom has me contemplating that this was a suicide to teach a lesson of forgiveness with regards the sinners. Yes, he had the choice to live. Suicide by cop, and the likes, is putting yourself in a position, to delibarately, generate a resulting death. The goal was to injure yourself, with the prize being death. If a person steps in front of a speeding vehicle to protect others from harm, some would see that as a suicide move. I would see it as a sacrifice. One is a move with the sole purpose of ending one's own life. Without regard of how it may impact others. The other is a move with the purpose of preserving life, at the expense of your own life. With total regard of how it may impact others. Entering into a situation that is likely to assure death as an outcome, is suicidal, if death is the only goal. If the preservation of life is the goal, then I can't see it as suicide. RE: Your Thoughts. - ABNARTY - 12-09-2021 Wow! Long thread. I am not sure why it takes such a contraption to do so. Seems like a long way to go. Maybe if someone is in a bad physical state, lot of pain, can barely control their body. On the spiritual side, I suppose it depends on what you believe. I was taught you are God's creation and you have no right to end that creation. However, if God created you with all your warts and flaws, to include mental/emotional/spiritual pain and/or instability, he/she would know what you are going through and would know the outcome before you were even conceived. Yet, here you are. Lot's of questions without answers I guess. I have a strong Christian faith and am at peace with it. Still, I wonder where Cain and Able's wives came from. Seems like a big plot hole. Will the pod make sure you are jabbed against C19 before it kills you? I mean without that, you are on the southbound for sure. RE: Your Thoughts. - 727Sky - 12-09-2021 To many people on their knees praying as the executioner draws the blade across their throats for me to have much fear of a god as man seems to be the one to fear. Religions have been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy who has mankind write what the god supposedly wants us to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. The religious factions preach and proclaim tolerance while in truth anyone who does not fall within their sects hierarchy are condemned to a fate worse than death to include eternal damnation. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power or live in a fantasy of their own creation.. Islam is a classic example of the dregs of a religion/government because they can not be separated. If oil had not been found in the Sunni country of Saudi Arabia and their funding of mosque and terrorist cells around the world had been eliminated earth would be a safer place IMO. Some people need to feel there is a light at the end of the tunnel of death even if in reality there is just more darkness; but belief/faith is a strong force for life . If I were ate up with cancer or unable to do anything but lay in a bed and shit myself the capsule would be wonderful; not to mention cutting off the for profit hospitals from stealing everything I ever worked for and anything my living relatives might receive. If there are pearly gates and a judgement any god who would fault my decision can discuss the situation face to face and explain all the people he has smited/killed/infected with horrible diseases for little or no reason .. RE: Your Thoughts. - Ninurta - 12-09-2021 (12-09-2021, 02:10 AM)ABNARTY Wrote: Wow! Long thread. If you look carefully, man is created twice in Genesis. I don't think Abel was ever married, but Cain's wife was found in The Land of Nod, Eastward of Eden. It's a little hazy, but I reckon folks can either believe that he married his sister, he married a gal from the other creation, who happened to be living in Nod, or she was a special creation just for him, making a third creation I guess. Who knows? There used to be a whole big ruckus about how the Children of Cain differed from the Children of Seth, but you don't hear much about that anymore since God has changed in the minds of men over time to love everyone and become a kinder, gentler kind of god who just can't say "no" any more. There used to be a lot if fire and brimstone about an Angry God, but I reckon he must have moved to the coast, tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. Might even wear flowers in his hair now. . RE: Your Thoughts. - Ninurta - 12-09-2021 (12-09-2021, 08:50 AM)727Sky Wrote: To many people on their knees praying as the executioner draws the blade across their throats for me to have much fear of a god as man seems to be the one to fear. Religions have been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy who has mankind write what the god supposedly wants us to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. And there is the rub. Whether there is a God or not - I happen to believe there is, but to each his own - most folks don't know that God, and can't see it for the label that priests and acolytes have tried to wrap around it to achieve their own ends. They change the perception of a god in the minds of the masses, and the masses never look beyond what is placed at the end of their noses, and so never see past the man-made label... and the ingredients on that label change to suit the narrative of the day. I also think that anyone who fears God has issues that they'll never be able to resolve. They've taken the bait, listened to too many preachers and priests, and didn't do enough seeking on their own. They settled for the labels offered, to their own detriment. There is always a reason for fear, and if it is present, they better spend more time looking inward, and less looking outward seeking advice from others who know no more than they do. . |