Rogue-Nation3

I tried to tell you all not to use those DNA testing sites, like 23andMe and Ancestry.com. You never know what their real agenda is when tempting you to turn over your DNA.
I hate to say I told you so, but...

Quote:It might be time for people to reconsider before they spit in a tube. Online genetic testing services are wildly popular. Many people use services such as 23andMe and Ancestry.com to learn about their ancestral pasts. Many also use these services to gain more profound insights into their biological makeup, which is often used to assess risk for degenerative diseases, such as cancer. This information offers use for more trivial insights, such as a person’s rate of metabolism in concern with substances like caffeine.

Pharmaceutical companies with access to such genetic information would be able to develop new products in more efficient ways.

GlaxoSmithKline, seeking to take advantage of just that, has announced a four year deal with 23andMe that allows them access to everyone’s genetic information for precisely the purposes pertaining to drug research.

Drug research?  To develop new products in more efficient ways?

I'm sorry, but I just don't trust ANYTHING Big Pharma has it's fingers in.  They may be developing drugs to be more efficient, but my bet is that it's to be "more efficient" in keeping people sick so they can continue lining their pockets with our money; but they DO NOT want people getting well, trust me!
Think logically! If the majority of sick people got well, that would put them out of business, right?

Quote:In some ways, it was obtuse or naive to assume the online genetic testing frenzy was ever to end well.

Do they see what's coming too?    

Quote:Essentially, UK based GlaxoSmithKline, one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical ventures, just paid $300 million to sift through thousands upon thousands of genetic records of people who are primarily unaware or apathetic to the consequences of such activity.

Concerning privacy, it isn’t difficult to see the severe breach in consumer trust. GlaxoSmithKline nor the Mountain View, California based 23andMe signed into a massive scale deal without a clear interpretation that 23andMe’s user agreements and privacy policy were in order. But an advantageous positioned gained through confusing and often distracting user agreements shouldn’t take away from the unsavory conflict of interest happening here.

You have to read the fine print Folks!

Quote:GlaxoSmithKline is using the 23andMe deal as a way to breath more life into its drug research programs; an initiative ran by its chief scientific officer and president, Hal Barron. Barron, as GSK’s good fortune would have it, is a former Genentech executive. In other words, Barron has an excellent understanding of the importance of DNA data to drug research.

Another way for them to keep their drug research programs open, all the while PRETENDING to be hunting cures.
And I have a bridge for sale in the NV desert.  Anyone interested?

Quote:The ability to access such high volumes of saliva data is likely worth much more than $300 million. The variety of genes, the uniqueness, and variance of individual profiles is something rarely achieved by request or payment for such things.

Worse more, 23andMe has become a blatant, unabashed wing of the pharmaceutical industry. The company has current deals with Pfizer and Lundbeck.
Additionally, some believe that 23andMe may transition into the drug development sphere in a more independent undertaking. Like GSK, 23andMe also has a former Genentech executive, Richard Scheller, running a part of their operation. Scheller and Barron have a relationship that goes back before either worked for their current companies.

Translation: Don't trust anyone in the pharmaceutical industrial complex. They lie, just like their political cohorts.
Hmm... Scheller and Barron. I'm going to have to do some deep-dive research on those guys.

Scrolling on down the article, if you have used these companies for DNA testing, there is a way to delete your information from being seen.

Quote:To delete your DNA sample, click the DNA button on the top of Ancestry.com, then visit SETTINGS, then on to DELETE TEST RESULTS.

Read Full Article

Good luck Folks. I hope they don't use your DNA in  some monstrosity experiment. Maybe there will be a "good guy" working there who uses yours to actually help mankind in some way.  

The headline is a bit misleading - GSK IS "Big Pharma". They've actually signed a deal with "Big DNA Research", I guess you would call it. I'm probably pretty obtuse, but I failed to see the danger described anywhere in the article. 23andMe plainly states in their disclaimers that the data can and will be used in research, so it's not like they are hiding anything. They further expound on precisely HOW that data will be used in the aforementioned research, and allow you to opt out of having your data used in the research projects without having to delete it - deleting the data deletes your account as well, and unless you've saved it page by page, everything you paid to know will be gone.

Could you be a little more specific as to what you consider "dangers" inherent in being included in the research? To be honest, the warning presented at 23andMe and AncestryDNA are quite a lot scarier than the vague "threats" presented in the article. For example, at both, you are warned that if insurance companies gain access to your data, they may be able to deny you insurance based on "pre-existent genetic conditions" - which is a non-starter for me, since I don't play the insurance lottery game anyhow.

You are also warned at some sites that Law Enforcement may gain access to your data via insidious, nefarious, and entirely unethical methods, and discover that you or a relative may be a long-lost and undetected rapist or something of that nature by comparing your results against their crime scene DNA. That's how they busted that California rapist from decades ago recently - he didn't have HIS DNA tested, but a relative did, and the rest is history. That can be pretty bad news if one is in the habit of leaving his or her DNA laying around at crime scenes.

There are also other dangers they warn you of, such as the mental anguish and shock of finding out your dad really ain't your dad if that turns out to be the case, and mom having a lot of 'splainin' to do... and, of course, the corollary of your unknown kids you've seeded the Earth with finding YOU.

Now, if any of those things are something one lays awake at night worrying about, then DNA testing might not be a good idea. But I seriously don't see the danger in my unidentified DNA being included in aggregate data for studies on drugs I will never use anyhow. Mine probably wouldn't interest them much, anyhow - I tested negative for ALL of the genetic anomalies that lead to disease. That by itself was sort of scary - there is a slight danger that I may live forever, which would get unimaginably boring, I would think.

On the other hand, by having myself, my ma, and as many siblings as possible tested, I am presented with a jigsaw puzzle of my dad's DNA, which was never collected. I expect it will take longer than my lifetime to work that puzzle, though. Each kid gets a different set of the parents' DNA, and by having one parent tested, you can isolate which DNA belongs to which parent, and put as much of the untested parent's DNA together as was carried into the next generation.

I found that I am 0.1% Nigerian, from an individual who is estimated to have been born between 1600 and 1700, which was something of a shock... but now I can always remind Grace that "once you go black, you never go back"!

I found that I have 4th cousins in the UK, Saudi Arabia, Jamaica, and Australia, which also freaked me out just a little - my entire lineage has been in the US since 1750, so how the hell does THAT happen? I got in touch with one of the UK individuals, and found that her pa was an American from my state, although the name was entirely unfamiliar. Still, problem solved. The cousin in Yorkshire is still a mystery, but I suspect something of the like to the one in Cornwall occurred. The one in Saudi Arabia is a blonde-haired, round-eyed all American beauty queen, married, apparently, to some sheikh. It's not hard to figure out what happened there. The Aussie is also a mystery, as their user name is utterly unpronounceable, so I haven't contacted them - folks obscure their names for a reason. The Jamaican, I suspect, came from the loins of that same long-ago Nigerian, but via a different route.

Makes me wonder if there are pirates that would fall out if I shook the family tree.

I found that I am more Neanderthal than about 3/4 of the US population. I found that my son really IS my son - despite what his mom tried to tell me in a fit of rage.

With that data, I can track my dad's dad's dad's etc lineage a LONG way back - thousands of years. Same for my mom's mom's moms' etc. lineage. With it, I know my sources - the populations that, in combination, produced the unique anomaly that is me. I've downloaded the data and can run it through my own tests, right here on this computer, that tells me things about myself that I never knew, and the DNA testing companies won't tell.

All of that is of more value, to me, than the off chance that a pharmaceutical company may use my DNA to develop a cure for the common cold - they probably should, since my DNA says I shouldn't ever catch anything.

So what are the dangers? If I found that @"BIAD" and I were related, would we have to wear matching dresses? I'm more of a granny dress kinda guy, since I don't have the legs for it any more.

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(12-31-2018, 06:01 AM)Ninurta Wrote: [ -> ]....I found that I have 4th cousins in the UK, Saudi Arabia, Jamaica, and Australia, which also freaked me out just a little
- my entire lineage has been in the US since 1750, so how the hell does THAT happen? I got in touch with one of the UK individuals,
and found that her pa was an American from my state, although the name was entirely unfamiliar.
Still, problem solved.

The cousin in Yorkshire is still a mystery, but I suspect something of the like to the one in Cornwall occurred.
The one in Saudi Arabia is a blonde-haired, round-eyed all American beauty queen, married, apparently, to some sheikh.
It's not hard to figure out what happened there. The Aussie is also a mystery, as their user name is utterly unpronounceable,
so I haven't contacted them - folks obscure their names for a reason.
The Jamaican, I suspect, came from the loins of that same long-ago Nigerian, but via a different route.

Makes me wonder if there are pirates that would fall out if I shook the family tree...

This is why television was invented, to keep the men-folk in at night!

Quote:...So what are the dangers? If I found that @BIAD and I were related, would we have to wear matching dresses?
I'm more of a granny dress kinda guy, since I don't have the legs for it any more...

The European Union are looking in this, they haven't actually said yet whether a sort of licence or a tariff would be
needed to wear similar garb, but it all depends what mood Juncker is in.

Seriously, I can see the concerns of misusing the DNA information if one assumes companies that deal with ancestry
discovery will lean to a malevolent way of gaining power over those who take part.
But I'd think your name and address would have more importance today than who you're related to when it comes
to selling information in the business world.

Personally, I would be hesitant because of the small community I came from. It was jokingly called 'Indian Village'
because a person who stemmed from one family would look remarkably like the father of another family.
The other reason for a frown is that the Glaxo-Kline facility in my area only do six-month contracts and when my
son when for a job there, it was realised that you can't get a mortgage for a house without a guarantee of permanent
employment.

I'd be interested to see if law enforcement can access such collections of DNA data from these private companies and
why -if possible, it would be used.

However, I'm sure Glaxo-Kline are working on medicines that can improve the look of men's legs.

@"Ninurta", I just took my title from the article title. Confusing? Ask them.

As for the dangers: People need to read the fine print, which most don't; they may not realize what all they are "selling". I know it's not the company's fault; they put it there in black and white, but people don't take the time to read pages and pages of legal disclaimers.

As for the dangers of using our DNA in the pharmaceutical industry, you would have had to hear some of the stories told by insiders who work in these type of labs to realize what they are doing.  I'm talking about the programs that go on underground, not things the "normal" public would hear about. According to the whistle-blowers, they take a person's DNA and mix it with all kinds of other life forms just to see what the result would be. Sometimes it's not pretty. There is an island off all to itself where some of these experiments take place, and also underground bases.

And I can assure you, if they do find a better way to treat diseases, it will be left out of the reports and swept under the rug.
I watched a documentary with a man who used to work in a lab for a pharmaceutical company several years ago. He said he found a cure for cancer, I believe it was (or some other life-threatening disease), and when he turned it over to his boss, his boss told him to destroy the evidence he had found. He told him what kept the lab in business was "hunting" a cure, not "finding" a cure.

My "guess" is that they will find a better way to treat some ailments, but these will have side affects that create something else that needs medication, just like they do now. They MUST have a way to keep pushing the pills on us for this or that to stay in business.

It's all a money racket. They don't care about making us well.

(12-31-2018, 10:51 AM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]This is why television was invented, to keep the men-folk in at night!

Sadly, the TV ploy works on me, and works very well - usually in the form of a pirate or viking show on the idiot tube (yes, I'm a dinosaur, and my TV still has a video tube rather than a flat LCD screen).

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I'd be interested to see if law enforcement can access such collections of DNA data from these private companies and
why -if possible, it would be used.

However, I'm sure Glaxo-Kline are working on medicines that can improve the look of men's legs.

Law Enforcement use so far has been through third-party sites, I believe it was "gedmatch" or something like that in particular. The problem with using the originating services such as 23andMe or AncestryDNA is that a quantity of saliva is needed to run through the genotyping testing chip, which they generally aren't able to obtain from a crime scene. Instead, they have to convert the DNA data they DID obtain to a particular format which strips most of the actual DNA data out and only retains certain "markers", and then upload it to that site for comparisons. Then, in order for the underhanded trick to work, someone else with similar or related DNA must have also unwittingly uploaded THEIR data to the same site. Even thought the site is "free", there is considerable expense in converting the DNA data to the usable format before the upload, which is why it isn't done more frequently. The Golden State Killer is a prime example of how it works for discovery. One has to have committed a pretty spectacular crime, have gone undetected, AND left a usable quantity of DNA at the crime scene before the expense is merited.

There are 3.2 BILLION base pairs in the human genome. These sites test for and return only 650,000 to 750,000 "markers" from that huge dataset (much, MUCH less than a miniscule 1% of the DNA information). Typical DNA files from testing companies are around 16 megabytes. I had mine "imputed" for a full genome, and it returned a file over 2 GIGAbytes in size - on the order of a thousand times more information. That version is under lock and key encryption, for safekeeping, but it is what would be needed for "cloning" experiments or "mix and match species" experiments. A thousand years from now, someone may break the encryption and clone me so they can study cave men, but I will never know it - only the clone will know. I'll be gone to dust.

Maybe GSK will have developed leg-improvement drugs by then which will benefit my clone.

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(12-31-2018, 03:36 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]@"Ninurta", I just took my title from the article title. Confusing? Ask them.

As for the dangers: People need to read the fine print, which most don't; they may not realize what all they are "selling". I know it's not the company's fault; they put it there in black and white, but people don't take the time to read pages and pages of legal disclaimers.

And that is on the user - we've been told over and over again for generations now to read the fine print, yet some folks will still fail to do so. Maybe it's their attention span. I read all of it, not just enough of it to scare me, and it was written in clear, understandable language. There's no excuse but laziness for NOT reading it.

Quote:As for the dangers of using our DNA in the pharmaceutical industry, you would have had to hear some of the stories told by insiders who work in these type of labs to realize what they are doing.  I'm talking about the programs that go on underground, not things the "normal" public would hear about. According to the whistle-blowers, they take a person's DNA and mix it with all kinds of other life forms just to see what the result would be. Sometimes it's not pretty. There is an island off all to itself where some of these experiments take place, and also underground bases.

Again, I don't see the dangers to me in that. At best, with the information provided by my DNA test, they could, for example, give my steel gray eyes to a gerbil or the like, and I don't know WHY they would want to do that, but some folks are just plain weird. As far as I know, there were no unique mutations found in my DNA - in other words, the markers tested can be found in thousands of other people. The only thing unique to me is the combination of markers that made me to be me, and not a different human. In other words, there is no new or groundbreaking DNA to be found in my genome that can't be found in thousands of others, which I don't see as sufficient reason to withhold information from myself in the interests of protecting humanity, or clones, or mutants.

Quote:And I can assure you, if they do find a better way to treat diseases, it will be left out of the reports and swept under the rug.
I watched a documentary with a man who used to work in a lab for a pharmaceutical company several years ago. He said he found a cure for cancer, I believe it was (or some other life-threatening disease), and when he turned it over to his boss, his boss told him to destroy the evidence he had found. He told him what kept the lab in business was "hunting" a cure, not "finding" a cure.

While I can't doubt that individual's veracity, I can't find the sense in the logic, either, especially if it is predicated on making money. Most people will pay, and pay very, very well to keep from dying. Now, if one has cancer, is he more likely to pour money into research that may, someday long after he is dead, find a cure for what killed him, or is he more likely to mortgage everything he has for a CURE NOW that will save him? While I can't doubt what he said, neither can I find the rationale if making money is the motivation.

Quote:My "guess" is that they will find a better way to treat some ailments, but these will have side affects that create something else that needs medication, just like they do now. They MUST have a way to keep pushing the pills on us for this or that to stay in business.

It's all a money racket. They don't care about making us well.

Yeah, I get a kick out of the TV commercials for drugs that say "we can treat this specific ailment with this drug" in the first 3 seconds, followed by 27 seconds of "and this is all the ways this drug will kill or permanently damage you". That's one of the reasons I stay away from doctors and drugs now!

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(12-31-2018, 06:35 PM)Ninurta Wrote: [ -> ]...A thousand years from now, someone may break the encryption and clone me so
they can study cave men, but I will never know it - only the clone will know. I'll be gone to dust.

Maybe GSK will have developed leg-improvement drugs by then which will benefit my clone.

And this is all based on your cantankerous-self being allowed off this mortal coil!

@"Ninurta", the following can't be verified with proof (that I've come across yet), that's why I didn't say it before, but some people who have friends in high places say that they are looking for "certain people" with DNA that matches the so called "Elite" who rule over us at the very top of the pyramid.
I'm talking about a lineage that goes all the way back to the ETs who came here and manipulated our DNA, took out parts that would have allowed us to know our powers, be like super soldiers, etc.  They want to find the "true, pure bloodlines", and then they will take those people somewhere safe and kill off the rest of us. They want this planet all for themselves.
Or, maybe they want to harvest their relatives before incorporating the Georgia Guidestones so they will be safe from the destruction they reign down on the rest of us.  They'll need some left to use as slaves.



Now I know that sounds crazy, but I'm not willing to take any chances.
Yes, I do believe ETs came here eons ago and messed with our DNA. Someone did. There is scientific proof of this.  How could a caveman have done it?

@"Mystic Wanderer"  This part is absolutely true (according to my husband).

Quote:they are looking for "certain people" with DNA that matches the so called "Elite" who rule over us at the very top of the pyramid.

yes, this is one reason children since the 80's have had their DNA stolen during a physical exam, this is another reason way you'll notice when a person 40 years old and a little older (the Elderly 65 & Older are not important) go to a doctor for a check up, they draw blood or do a mouth-swab (for a culture  :smallundecided:) it's to put you in their database.

My husband said that all Military Branches and Government Agencies take a DNA test with out your knowledge or Permission.
IF, you're discovered to be of the Elite Gene Pool, that person is watched closely and if found to be intelligent or gifted enough he/she will be taken under the protective Wing of another Elite and Advance Quickly up the promotion lander and disappear from being around us Little People/Slave's/Commoner's, the Expendable One's.

If everyone will think about this, you'll all remember Some-One who just Promoted Quickly and didn't associate with you anymore or much at all.

(12-31-2018, 08:53 PM)guohua Wrote: [ -> ]@"Mystic Wanderer"  This part is absolutely true (according to my husband).

Quote:they are looking for "certain people" with DNA that matches the so called "Elite" who rule over us at the very top of the pyramid.

yes, this is one reason children since the 80's have had their DNA stolen during a physical exam, this is another reason way you'll notice when a person 40 years old and a little older (the Elderly 65 & Older are not important) go to a doctor for a check up, they draw blood or do a mouth-swab (for a culture  :smallundecided:) it's to put you in their database.

My husband said that all Military Branches and Government Agencies take a DNA test with out your knowledge or Permission.
IF, you're discovered to be of the Elite Gene Pool, that person is watched closely and if found to be intelligent or gifted enough he/she will be taken under the protective Wing of another Elite and Advance Quickly up the promotion lander and disappear from being around us Little People/Slave's/Commoner's, the Expendable One's.

If everyone will think about this, you'll all remember Some-One who just Promoted Quickly and didn't associate with you anymore or much at all.

I appreciate the backup Ms. G.  I was kind of feeling like people out there in the land of lurkers would all think I'm nuts. 

@"Mystic Wanderer" 
You're Not NUTZ!! 

China has the same DNA test of all school children but for adults, only the Higher Class and Very, Very Upper Middle Class is tested, certainly Never a Common Villiger.

There was a reason President Jinping Xi  was elected President For Life in China.
There is a Reason Vladimir Putin was re-elected  and has not allowed real elections or stepped down.
The list continues right here in America, The Fix was in for Hillary, but somehow there was a Wrench Thrown into the Gears by a Disgruntled Elitist (Luckily For America).

Then you have the E U, what a Bunch of Elitist running around there, Screwing things up.

(12-31-2018, 08:58 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]...I was kind of feeling like people out there in the land of lurkers would all think I'm nuts. 

There's only one person on this site that wears the crown of being nuts... and he doesn't wear underpants.

(12-31-2018, 09:24 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2018, 08:58 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]...I was kind of feeling like people out there in the land of lurkers would all think I'm nuts. 

There's only one person on this site that wears the crown of being nuts... and he doesn't wear underpants.

I feel much better now.  

(12-31-2018, 08:21 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]@"Ninurta", the following can't be verified with proof (that I've come across yet), that's why I didn't say it before, but some people who have friends in high places say that they are looking for "certain people" with DNA that matches the so called "Elite" who rule over us at the very top of the pyramid.
I'm talking about a lineage that goes all the way back to the ETs who came here and manipulated our DNA, took out parts that would have allowed us to know our powers, be like super soldiers, etc.  They want to find the "true, pure bloodlines", and then they will take those people somewhere safe and kill off the rest of us. They want this planet all for themselves.
Or, maybe they want to harvest their relatives before incorporating the Georgia Guidestones so they will be safe from the destruction they reign down on the rest of us.  They'll need some left to use as slaves.



Now I know that sounds crazy, but I'm not willing to take any chances.
Yes, I do believe ETs came here eons ago and messed with our DNA. Someone did. There is scientific proof of this.  How could a caveman have done it?

Nah, I don't think you're crazy. I think you may be, at times a little too open-minded, but definitely not crazy, and that you an I have very different ways of seeing the same things sometimes. As a matter of fact you often spark some of my more interesting discussions, and that keeps me young - sort of.

Now logically, if these "Elite" were searching for their relatives to save via the DNA tests, why would I NOT take one? If the rationale is that they are going to kill off the rest of us anyhow, and there is a chance they might discover something in me they wanted to save, would it not be more logical to take the test on that off chance, knowing that the alternative is a certain death because they never knew I had "what it takes"? And, if they are going to kill me anyhow, what do I care if they have my DNA, too? They could always take it from my lifeless corpse anyhow, but by that point it would no longer benefit ME.

They won't find any "pure bloodlines", because, among other reasons, there aren't any to find. DNA works in a complicated manner, recombining every generation. Furthermore, we only have a fixed amount of DNA per person, and as it recombines over generations some gets left out each generation until, at about 6 or 7 generations, entire individuals may not have passed any DNA on at all to a particular individual. As we go back farther in time, even more ancestral DNA gets lost. So, while someone may have been your biological 10th great grandpa, you may not have inherited any DNA from him at all. That inherited DNA will vary even between siblings. For example, I found 4th cousins in Cornwall, York, and Jamaica. My sister, whom I share about half of my DNA with, found 4th cousins in York (that same one as me), Saudi Arabia, and Australia. My Cornish cousin did not show up in her DNA because different bits of DNA were shared, and her Arabian and Australian 4th cousins did not show up in mine, for the same reason.

So, there aren't any "pure bloodlines" even in identical descent people. Can I use DNA to trace my ancestry back to a cave man who lived between the Caspian and Black seas 24,000 years ago? Yes. Can I trace ALL of my ancestors from 24,000 years ago and find out where they lived? Nope. Not a chance. Can the Elite poke around in my DNA and say that Alien Zazzlefratz tinkered with Cave Woman Oggette's DNA in Upper Slumgullia 30,000 years ago, and that she was my thousands-back great granny? Again, no.
 
Now, in connection with your thoughts, one thing HAS always bothered me about genealogical DNA research. For some reason, that no one has ever been able to explain to me, Ashkenazi Jews always march to the front and center of the research. Wherever you go on the internet looking for answers, they crop up, and I have no idea why. I just don't understand why that particular population, among all the populations of Earth, keep cropping up in discussions. I don't even know what Ashkenazi Jews are, other than I think they are not real, biological, Jews - I think they are really just run of the mill Eastern Europeans who converted to Judaism, and they aren't even particularly interesting. So it puzzles me.

Who gives a crap if I have Ashkenazi DNA? I have VIKING DNA! Who would you rather have on your side in a fight? Who would you rather go to a bar with? Hell, I'd rather go to a SYNAGOGUE with a viking - they take the gold and keep life , erm, "interesting"! Ashkenazis? They're pretty boring, and they talk funny.

Elites? I can't say that they are NOT scanning DNA, but I can say that if they are looking for "pure bloodlines", they'll never find them... and if they were that interested in it, they should have kept better records of who tupped whom and produced offspring for their Master Race.

Hell, I dunno - I might be one of 'em and not know it. I do seem to rise to the top pretty fast wherever I work, but on the other hand I never forget my roots, nor do I ever forsake and look down upon "the little people" - I never leave them behind. I never forget where I came from, nor do I ever forget that those "little people" are my source - I came from them, and without them - even though I am second most senior manager where I work now - I would not have a job at all. If there is no one to manage, you really don't need a manager, now do you? So I take care of my people, because they take care of me.

So I guess maybe I'm NOT one of the Elites unknowingly - they seem to be pretty highly inbred, and that tends to produce idiots and overbites (and multiple fingers, etc). If that's the case, then I reckon I'm slated for destruction in The Great Culling. So be it - come get some, y'all! I'm ready whenever you are, and if ya got my DNA, then surely ya have my address, too!

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Quote:Nah, I don't think you're crazy. I think you may be, at times a little too open-minded, but definitely not crazy, and that you an I have very different ways of seeing the same things sometimes. As a matter of fact you often spark some of my more interesting discussions, and that keeps me young - sort of.

Thanks @"Ninurta". 

"A little too open-minded"?  Nah, I just like to look at everything from a different angle than the rest. :smallwink: 

A guy that did a deep dive on my personality profile many years ago when he was helping me find what I would be good at, told me my brain processes information differently than the majority of people. He assured me it wasn't a bad thing, it just makes me unique.

I like being unique.