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OK China has started basing fighter aircraft in the newly built islands. They have also decided to install air defense missiles. The USA has just said you are not going to declare an ADIZ (air defense zone) around the islands so we will just ignore your claims and preparations.  


Think many know the Obama admin is full of hot air and will do nothing 
:smartass:




I don't believe China much cares what Obama wants to say they can or can't do. He said they couldn't build the Islands. They ignored him. He said they couldn't move onto them...and they ignored him some more. He warned them against moving military anything to them...and they promptly made plans to militarily reinforce the new Islands.

When a President is this weak, no one much cares what the nation has to say.
USA moving assets into Viet Nam, Cambodia, and no telling where else.







Indonesia "Attacks" China in South China Sea! 










I have seen some of this with my own eyes as China comes into a country with bags of cash for infrastructure projects with unbelievable good joint project deals. The USA has typically just bought a few politicians in the past which seem to be ousted once the population catches on to their corruption and real reasons for their leadership (which is usually selling out their countries interest/assets)... Sorry sounds rather bad but it is what I have seen first hand...


Thanks for keeping up with this and sharing it!

Good work

:thumbsup:
Nothing major just more talk and intractability by both sides.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160401/10...lands.html

Quote:Chinese President Xi Jinping has warned against attempts to violate his country's sovereignty and undermine its national interests under the pretext of freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, according to Xinhua.

China will not tolerate actions aimed at violating its sovereignty and breaching its security interests under the pretext of freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, the Chinese state news agency Xinhua quoted the country's President Xi Jinping as saying.

He made the remarks during his meeting with US President Barack Obama on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington on Thursday.
"China respects and protects the freedom of air and maritime navigation of all countries, based on international law. At the same time, Beijing will not accept any action that damages China's state sovereignty and national interests under the pretext of freedom of navigation," he pointed out.
 






Birth of the Chinese Aircraft Carrier Force


http://www.popularmechanics.com/military...g-by-2020/

Quote:The Asia-Pacific Region will spend $533 billion on defense annually by 2020. That's very close to what the United States spends on defense, and a lot more than the region used to. Bloomberg reports that China and countries squaring off against China are responsible for the unprecedented surge.
The People's Republic of China has been increasing defense spending about 10 percent annually for more than two decades. Although dramatic, for most of the 90s and aughts, it still left the impression that China was militarily weak: In 1989, it spent only ten times more on its military than New Zealand and hadn't been involved in a shooting war for decades.

All of that changed after 2010, when China took an assertive, even aggressive stance against Japanese territorial claims in the East China Sea, including the establishment of an Air Defense Intercept Zone over the sea. Since then, China has gone on to claim approximately 90 percent of the South China Sea, alarming its neighbors.

This newly assertive behavior has spooked the rest of Asia, and as a result defense spending started to creep upward. According to Bloomberg, military spending globally is up one percent, but spending in Asia and Oceania is up five percent. Almost every country in Asia—Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and others—are all raising spending. If current trends hold, all of Asia will be spending $533 billion by the year 2020. 

What impact will this have for the United States? The Asia-Pacific region is actually a very friendly towards the U.S., with most countries having cordial relationships—and some, like South Korea and Japan have outright military alliances. The only real possible threat to U.S. superiority in the region is China, which will account for just over half of the $533 billion total in 2020. The rest of that spending will be by pro-U.S. countries—or countries like Vietnam with goals that align with those of Washington.
http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-ne...b836630727
We're in Asia for decades, US tells China
Quote:June 4, 20161:57pm

AAP

US Defense Secretary Ash Carter has urged China to join a "principled security network" for Asia, saying that the United States would remain the world's most powerful military and the main guarantor of regional security for decades to come.
In an attempt to counter concerns in Asia about US staying power, Carter told a regional security forum in Singapore the US approach to the Asia-Pacific remained "one of commitment, strength and inclusion".
However, he said, any action by China to reclaim land in the Scarborough Shoal, an outcrop in the disputed South China Sea, would have consequences.
"I hope that this development doesn't occur, because it will result in actions being taken by both the United States and ... by others in the region which would have the effect of not only increasing tensions but isolating China."
Carter said tensions in the South China Sea, where China has been backing its vast territorial claims by building artificial islands, North Korea's nuclear program and violent extremism challenged regional peace and "forward-thinking statesmen and leaders must ... come together to ensure a positive principled future".
He said the network he envisaged could also help protect against "Russia's worrying actions" and the growing strategic impact of climate change.
The US and many Asian countries were stepping up security co-operation to ensure they were able to make choices "free from coercion and intimidation", Carter said at Singapore's annual Shangri-La Dialogue.
"Even as the United States will remain the most powerful military and main underwriter of security in the region for decades to come - and there should be no doubt about that - those growing bilateral relationships demonstrate that nations around the region are also committed to doing more to promote continued regional security and prosperity," Carter said.
He stressed the work the US had undertaken to strengthen security ties with countries including Japan, India, the Philippines, Vietnam and Australia was part of President Barack Obama's so-called pivot, or rebalance, in the Asia-Pacific region.


He said that for decades some had wrongly predicted an impending US withdrawal from the region, but that would not happen.
"That's because this region, which is home to nearly half the world's population and nearly half the global economy, remains the most consequential for America's own security and prosperity," Carter said.
Originally published as We're in Asia for decades, US tells China
(06-05-2016, 01:55 AM)727Sky Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-ne...b836630727
We're in Asia for decades, US tells China
Quote:June 4, 20161:57pm

AAP

US Defense Secretary Ash Carter has urged China to join a "principled security network" for Asia, saying that the United States would remain the world's most powerful military and the main guarantor of regional security for decades to come.
In an attempt to counter concerns in Asia about US staying power, Carter told a regional security forum in Singapore the US approach to the Asia-Pacific remained "one of commitment, strength and inclusion".
However, he said, any action by China to reclaim land in the Scarborough Shoal, an outcrop in the disputed South China Sea, would have consequences.
"I hope that this development doesn't occur, because it will result in actions being taken by both the United States and ... by others in the region which would have the effect of not only increasing tensions but isolating China."
Carter said tensions in the South China Sea, where China has been backing its vast territorial claims by building artificial islands, North Korea's nuclear program and violent extremism challenged regional peace and "forward-thinking statesmen and leaders must ... come together to ensure a positive principled future".
He said the network he envisaged could also help protect against "Russia's worrying actions" and the growing strategic impact of climate change.
The US and many Asian countries were stepping up security co-operation to ensure they were able to make choices "free from coercion and intimidation", Carter said at Singapore's annual Shangri-La Dialogue.
"Even as the United States will remain the most powerful military and main underwriter of security in the region for decades to come - and there should be no doubt about that - those growing bilateral relationships demonstrate that nations around the region are also committed to doing more to promote continued regional security and prosperity," Carter said.
He stressed the work the US had undertaken to strengthen security ties with countries including Japan, India, the Philippines, Vietnam and Australia was part of President Barack Obama's so-called pivot, or rebalance, in the Asia-Pacific region.


He said that for decades some had wrongly predicted an impending US withdrawal from the region, but that would not happen.
"That's because this region, which is home to nearly half the world's population and nearly half the global economy, remains the most consequential for America's own security and prosperity," Carter said.
Originally published as We're in Asia for decades, US tells China

Many of us who have spent time in various parts of S.E. Asia would agree with much of this article. Our state depart has been ran by the likes of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and the idiot Obama spawn that has multiplied like bacteria in a well nourished petri dish.
http://journal-neo.org/2016/06/20/asia-u...-to-panic/
Quote:Asia: US “Pivot” Turns to Panic
Column: Politics
Region: Southeast Asia
Country: Thailand

[Image: 190516-tro2_20160519_1510014929-300x200.jpg]US foreign policy in Asia Pacific has centered around the so-called “Pivot to Asia,” initially rolled out as an alleged means for the US to strengthen ties with Asia, but was incrementally revealed as the latest leg in a decades-long attempt to encircle and contain China by overrunning the socioeconomic and political sovereignty of its neighbors, thus maintaining what US policymakers themselves refer to as American “primacy over Asia.”
It is no surprise then that nations across Asia have responded negatively to the “Pivot.” What gains the US has made, have been made through coercionpolitical subversionand even terrorism – and this is done in front of an increasingly geopolitically aware Asian population.
Yet despite this, the US appears to still be struggling against both Asia’s overall desire to cooperate among themselves, and their own “pivots” toward alternative centers of power, in Beijing, Moscow, and beyond.
Panicking Policymakers 
Thailand’s English language newspaper, the Bangkok Post, has recently transformed its coverage almost entirely pro-Washington, London, and Brussels. It regularly posts op-eds lobbying for various US and European interests. A recent op-ed, published by regular Washington apologist Achara Ashayagachat, titled, “Despite gains, China still second fiddle to West, analysts say ,” claims:
Quote:Thai military rule may complicate and weaken Asean’s position in the international security setting, but the gestures made to date by the junta should not be seen as a shift from the western-allied camp to China, analysts caution.
Achara never qualifies why Thailand’s current government “complicates or weakens ASEAN’s position in the international security setting,” aside from implying that anything running contra to Washington’s interests, thus runs afoul of “international order.”
Achara attempts to conclude – based on several US-based analysts’ opinions – that several delayed deals between Thailand and China signifies a lack of any real shift from West to East for Bangkok. She also attempts to conclude that Thailand is increasingly becoming “isolated” as the US shifts its attention toward the governments and sociopolitical systems of the Philippines, Vietnam, and Myanmar.
However, in reality, the shift from West to East is not recent for Thailand, or many other nations in Southeast Asia. It has been gradual – in tandem with China’s growing influence and Beijing’s ability to provide equitable alternatives to US “free trade” and compromising military “partnerships.”
Indeed, large rail projects have been in negotiations between Thailand and China with several large deals remaining stalled. However, despite this, Thailand has made several smaller deals with China – deals it could not make with the United States even if it wanted to.
This includes the acquisition of 24 additional trains for Bangkok’s elevated mass transit system from China’s CRRC Changchun Railway Vehicles. This would add to existing Chinese rolling stock already in use in Thailand.
The continued acquisition of Chinese weapon systems to replace aging US equipment continues as well. Despite rumors that Thailand was seeking to purchase Russian T-90s to replace its aging American tanks, it has decided instead to purchase MBT-3000 main battle tanks produced by China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO). These would be added to Thailand’s existing inventory of Chinese-made Type-85 Armored Fighting Vehicles which were purchased to replace aging US M113s.
[Image: Mi17V5_Thai-300x225.jpg]Aside from China, Thailand is replacing American helicopters with Russian alternatives, which includes Mi-17s already seen flying over Bangkok where once US-made Blackhawks flew.
While Bangkok Post’s op-ed attempts to suggest these moves by Thailand’s government are meant to “bring back the US and EU,” in reality, they have been years in the making and they have already begun to transform Thailand’s infrastructure, economy, and military. It is the quantifiable, incremental uprooting of US and European influence in the region.
Additionally, and never mentioned in Achara’s op-ed, is the much contested tourism industry of Thailand – where the West has attempted to use its influence over public opinion to scare away Western tourism. In reality, however, this has been futile. For years, demographics have been shifting away from European and American tourists toward Chinese and Russian tourists. Signs in tourist areas once almost exclusively written in English and Japanese, now are also written in Chinese and Russian.
Despite these tangible realities, Western policymakers and pro-Western op-eds have attempted to portray this as recent and superficial. To understand this apparent detachment from reality, one must consider the source.
Consider the Source
The analysts Achara of the Bangkok Post cites are not primarily Thai, or Asian, but rather Americans. They include Tim Huxley of the International Institute of Strategic Studies – a Fortune 500-funded foreign policy think tank whose corporate sponsors include big-oil and some of the largest Western arms manufacturers on Earth. Also cited is Yun Sun of the Stimson Center – another Washington-based Fortune 500-funded policy think tank (.pdf).
Clearly Achara’s sources are not objectively interested in discerning what is best for international peace and stability, and instead in serving the special interests that transparently fund and shape the policy they promote. It is clear then, why they would insist on a paradigm that still favors Western economic deals and Western “military cooperation” (arms deals).
These are the same such interests that seek to encircle and contain China to prevent it from marshaling its human and natural resources together with its own indigenous industry to pose as competitors vis-a-vis Western monopolies currently dominating the planet.
The rise of an independent China surrounded by a stable and cooperative Southeast Asia represents an inevitable loss of market shares for the corporate-financier interests that truly drive both Western foreign policy and shape the opinions of low-level functionaries like Achara and the rest of Bangkok Post’s editorial board.
Considering this context, it is clear that op-eds like Achara, lobbying for Washington’s corporate-funded think tanks, is aimed to make up lost ground among public opinion where the US has failed to make up in economic and military relations.
However, like America’s economic and military influence in the region, its influence over public opinion is also facing growing competition and complications. However, paying compromised “journalists” like Achara to constantly repeat untruths is perhaps so effortless that US policymakers see no harm in trying, even if it is not effective.
And it is between the lines of untruth repeated by Washington’s functionaries, that the rest of the world can begin to discern the truth and see the cracks in the facade of American “primacy over Asia” begin to show.
Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine New Eastern Outlook”.
http://journal-neo.org/2016/06/20/asia-u...-to-panic/
@"727Sky" 
You're Absolutely Correct, Kerry and Hillary and Obama don't understand how we think.
They only care about what looks good on their Resume and the Agenda!

When dealing with an Asia or Middle Eastern Person, They Have No Worries about a Resume, Agenda, YES!


http://www.activistpost.com/2016/07/form...china.html
Quote:In a congressional hearing on Wednesday, former Director of National Intelligence and retired Navy admiral Dennis Blair told the panel that the United States should be prepared to use military force to oppose Chinese aggression in the South China Sea.
“I think we need to have some specific lines and then encourage China to compromise on some of its objectives,” Blair, who headed the U.S. Pacific Command while in the Navy, said at the hearing.
The admiral’s recommendation came the day after a United Nations tribunal invalidated China’s claim of territorial rights to nearly all of the waters in the South China Sea. Other nations in the region — including the Philippines, who brought the action against China in 2013 — also claim sovereignty in that zone.
The U.S., citing the territorial dispute and security concerns raised by its allies in the region, have for months been sending warships into the South China Sea as a check against Chinese hostility.
Beijing, acutely aware of the military buildup off its coast, has publicly warned the U.S. it’s more than ready to defend against provocations.“China hopes disputes can be resolved by talks,” an editorial in one of the country’s state-run newspapers said last week, “but it must be prepared for any military confrontation. This is common sense in international relations.”
Hanging above the whole affair is the fact that China, long before Tuesday’s ruling, had repeatedly stated it has no intention of abiding by the U.N.’s decision. And within hours after the tribunal’s verdict, China doubled down on that stance by raising the possibility that it would erect an “air defense identification zone” over the South China Sea.
“If our security is being threatened, of course we have the right to demarcate a zone,” Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said Wednesday at a briefing in Beijing. “We hope that other countries will not take this opportunity to threaten China and work with China to protect the peace and stability of the South China Sea, and not let it become the origin of a war.”
Pieces and agreements to include India getting involved, which makes sense in a strategic way of thinking IMO.

I enjoy Chris's China Uncensored take on stuff !
Well,,,, He knows what he talking about and he right about China, they aren't going to back down, They'll continue to make the Claim to the South China Seas and threaten everyone, they know Obama and Hillary will do nothing.
Quote:Tensions in the South China Sea resulting from The Hague arbitrational court’s ruling against China’s longstanding claim to the disputed area are at risk of spilling over with rhetoric and tactics escalating.
On Thursday, China’s state-run Global Times newspaper warned Vietnam against the deployment of rocket launchers targeting Chinese facilities reminding Hanoi of the devastation that ensued the last time the two countries went to war.
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US Nuclear-Bomber in Pacific for First Time as China Reaches Boiling Point

"If Vietnam’s latest deployment is targeting China, that would be a terrible mistake," said the editorial. "We hope Vietnam will remember and draw some lessons from history."
The statement follows a Reuters report, citing “Western officials,” that Vietnam had deployed advanced mobile rocket launchers targeting China’s runways and military installations amid a brewing regional dispute in the South China Sea that the United States has been all too willing to meddle in.
"Fortifying the islands with rocket launchers, if proved to be true, will only demonstrate Vietnam’s determination to strengthen its military deployment," said the editorial. "Vietnam has been enhancing its control of the islets and islands in Nansha in order to consolidate the beneficial status quo."
Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry vehemently denied the report following the stern warning from China’s state media saying that the information about the rocket launchers was "inaccurate" although US State Department officials acknowledged that they were aware of the report and did not refute its claims.
The editorial ultimately laid the blame at the feet of the West, most prominently the United States, that incited the regional diplomatic row by encouraging the Philippines to seek a ruling from The Hague arbitrational court contesting China’s longstanding claim to most of the South China Sea territory.
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© AP Photo/ Zha Chunming
Beijing Installs Supersonic Missiles on South China Sea’s Most Lethal Destroyer

"It can be expected that the West won’t easily give up using arbitration as leverage to pile pressure on China and continue to stoke more tensions in the region," opined the editorial. "The regional stakeholders should be wary of the West’s tactics."
Beijing has warned its people to be prepared to go to war over the valuable waters and islands of the South China Sea, home to one of the world’s largest natural gas and oil deposits and through which over 40% of the world’s shipborne trade travels each day. China has already deployed combat patrols to the area in an effort the head off regional efforts to seize on the arbitration court’s rulings to deprive Beijing of its historically held territory.
Seems china got bad memory ...... last time they tangled vietnam kicked chinas ass  ..... think will go place bet .... 1000.00 on vietnam to once again kick chinas ass if they tangle again .....
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