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I was watching a show on Open Minds, hosted by Regina Meredith on GAIA t.v. last night, with her guest, Jack Carey.  They were discussing the proof of two separate genome tests from DNA showing that Bigfoot is a human hybrid.
If you have a subscription to GAIA t.v., you can watch the episode HERE.

They discussed the alleged big foot captured on film by Adrian Erickson in South East Kentucky, called Matilda, shown in the video below:


https://youtu.be/w_vK9-ndlbM

A group of professional Bigfoot hunters, along with Adrin Erickson, captured DNA samples of Matilda by putting tranquilizers in meat and then hanging the meat in a tree.  When she ate it, she fell asleep, allowing the group of men to collect hair samples from her body.

Later, another DNA sample was taken from a barn after a farmer reported seeing a Bigfoot rubbing it's back along the boards, leaving it covered in hair,  and notified Erickson.

The samples were sent to a lab where Dr. Melbe Ketchum performed the DNA genome tests.



https://youtu.be/Zl6u0SJx-Ao

And later, within the same 24 hour period, a group of Navajos, approximately 80 miles away, contacted Erickson with more samples of Bigfoot DNA.
The creature was caught by surprise as they were out cutting wood one day. Startled, it began running from them, and when it looked over it's shoulder, it ran straight into a seven foot tall tree, leaving blood and hair on the bark for DNA retrieval.

Erickson notified Dr. Christopher Dyer, who came to the area and collected the samples and took them straight to the lab of Dr. Melba Ketchum so no contamination could take place,  and did another DNA genome test.

All tests came back showing the creature was a human hybrid. This news was made public in the main stream news, and was discussed in all the major news outlets... for one day... then it went silent.

Here is what was released in the press conference:



https://youtu.be/C3bOBi1-Zes

With all this evidence, why is Bigfoot still considered to be only a man in a gorilla suit?
Take the case of the Patterson Gimlin Film capturing the Bigfoot they named Patty, probably the most famous Bigfoot film on record:




Jack Carey pointed out on Open Minds that what most people fail to remember is that this film took place in 1967.  The best ape suits that Hollywood had at that time was what you would have seen in Planet of the Apes; very unrealistic.

With all this evidence, I am sure Bigfoot exists.
It is my conclusion that these creatures are more like us than some care to admit.
They just want to be left alone in their private forest dwellings to go about their day with their families without human interference.

From what I've read about people's experiences with Bigfoot, they don't attack humans unless they feel threatened.
Some have stood within three feet of the creatures with no harm coming from them. It's those who go in with guns and threaten them that get attacked.  Wouldn't you do the same if you were threatened by some outside presence?

Can we please just leave them in peace and cohabitate on the same planet?

For stories about members personal experiences, click Here.

'...makes you think what forces may be suppressing that...'

In the video where Dr. Melbe Ketchum shared the test results, she said some labs didn't report their findings because they had nothing on file to compare it to. Others said it came back human, as hers did. But then she took the tests further into the nuclear DNA and they found there that it was not human.

So...

A theory popped into my mind that maybe these creatures were what was here when the early ET visitors came to begin their DNA upgrades on us, and these creatures that remain here today are from a lineage of survivors that escaped the upgrade? 

If they don't match our human DNA, and they don't show any other ape DNA, then that is the only other solution... or else, they are ETs themselves.

I think the reason this knowledge is being kept from the world today is because it would add supportive evidence that goes against what the church teaches us about our human origins.

Wouldn't that cause a global uproar?

(03-31-2017, 09:19 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]...But then she took the tests further into the nuclear DNA and they found there that it was not human...

I think that when dealing with academia, any anomaly that they have no information about
is just placed in the 'Unknown Bin' and ignored.

If you had a Unicorn living in your front room, took pictures of it and even bagged it's manure.
When confronted with a blood-sample, scientists would just shrug and say they have nothing to
compare it with.

Hence, it would just be placed in a drawer until more evidence -evidence that they deem appropriate
and wouldn't have them scoffed at by their fellow-academics... came to light and only then would they
cautiously look at it.

Think about it... a large biped that has hair all over it's body. An upright creature that is self-aware
and reasons it's solitude from man to be a better idea for survival.
And not just a lonely survival like a cougar, cougars steer clear of man because of their fear of them,
Bigfoot steers clear of man because it can and chooses to.

It's intelligence would be one problem, but how do you explain the hair...? 

Religion would be out of the window and trust in the organisations that watch for the anomalies
would be gone too.

@BIAD

Quote:It's intelligence would be one problem, but how do you explain the hair...?

Too much testosterone in the hormones?  

(03-31-2017, 10:20 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]Too much testosterone in the hormones?

(Mystic, I'm going to try to stick with the established way of looking at how Bigfoot
could or couldn't stem from the lineage of primates and move on from there!)


Answer:
I think it must be more than just that, the covering of hair against the inclement
weather and survival in the wild and the endurance levels needed to cover areas
in search of a variety of food implies to me that we're not dealing with an anomaly
in the primate species.

Here's the usual mapping of the primate evolution, notice how we seem to place
modern man as the end of the evolution and the oddity that we're the only species
that lost our hair.



I looked at some articles about why we may have lost our 'fur' and academia tends to
land on three possible reasons.
An early semi-aquatic life foraging for food in shallow waters with hair being a poor
insulator in water.
Parasite control by shedding hair and by doing so, enhancing sexual attractiveness.
Body temperature control under a hot sun.
(However, cold nights tends to make this last opinion suspect)
SOURCE:

So assuming a large hairy intelligent biped exists in the Americas, they forego the
benefits of hunting for food in water, they tolerate lice and endure the heat of the
Tibetan and Great North woods sun in favour of not losing their hair!

Really...?!
So every animal that carries fur or hair is less intelligent that the only ape who's shed
his hair? That's main problem here and similar to the humorous discussion Ninurta and
myself discussing intelligence in dolphins, the base-line of logic starts with modern man.

There has been no evidence that primates existed in the Americas... that's a fact.
Then explain Native Americans...? -and before you jump in and comment about the
ice-bridge from Asia to Canada, are we to say that this passage was only selective to
homo erectus and a few species of animals?

It's entirely possible that Sasquatch crossed over for the same reasons the bald guy
with the animal-skin went there, in search of better survival conditions.
It makes sense, sense that any animal wishing to persevere would appreciate, knowingly
or not.

But, the large animal that wanders around Canada and North America cannot exist because
scientists have refused to investigate something that doesn't make sense.
All animals can be trapped because of the need for food. If an animal senses something
is dangerous, they steer clear of the situation, but still  observe from a distance.

Bigfoot doesn't seem to fall for our tricks ... and that takes us towards a perception that
we believe only we have the patent on. Trust.

(03-31-2017, 09:12 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]

'...makes you think what forces may be suppressing that...'

Great Video!

(04-01-2017, 06:58 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: [ -> ]Great Video!

I agree DFC, it looks at the perception man has in regards of how he thinks he governs the
world and offers it from another angle.

I think that if we're to learn more about our planet, we have to get out of this idea that if
we're not looking at the bottom of the sea today, then there's nothing there today.

Finding a creature that avoids us not because of fear of our power, but due to a preference
of not wishing to interact with us has alarming consequences.
It means it's not only self-aware, it means it has judged us as a species.

At this time in our existence, there's only ever been two entities that have judged us.
One is ourselves and the other is which ever God we believe in.

I'll wager a pound-to-a-penny's-worth-of-sh*te that's why mainstream science won't
touch the subject! It'll mess up everything we call civilised society.

(04-01-2017, 06:42 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2017, 10:20 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]Too much testosterone in the hormones?

(Mystic, I'm going to try to stick with the established way of looking at how Bigfoot
could or couldn't stem from the lineage of primates and move on from there!)


Answer:
I think it must be more than just that, the covering of hair against the inclement
weather and survival in the wild and the endurance levels needed to cover areas
in search of a variety of food implies to me that we're not dealing with an anomaly
in the primate species.

Here's the usual mapping of the primate evolution, notice how we seem to place
modern man as the end of the evolution and the oddity that we're the only species
that lost our hair.



I looked at some articles about why we may have lost our 'fur' and academia tends to
land on three possible reasons.
An early semi-aquatic life foraging for food in shallow waters with hair being a poor
insulator in water.
Parasite control by shedding hair and by doing so, enhancing sexual attractiveness.
Body temperature control under a hot sun.
(However, cold nights tends to make this last opinion suspect)
SOURCE:

So assuming a large hairy intelligent biped exists in the Americas, they forego the
benefits of hunting for food in water, they tolerate lice and endure the hot sun of the
Tibetan and Great North woods sun in favour of not losing their hair!

Really...?!
So every animal that carries fur or hair is less intelligent that the only ape who's shed
his hair? That's main problem here and similar to the humorous discussion Ninurta and
myself discussing intelligence in dolphins, the base-line of logic starts with modern man.

There has been no evidence that primates existed in the Americas... that's a fact.
Then explain Native Americans...? -and before you jump in and comment about the
ice-bridge from Asia to Canada, are we to say that this passage was only selective to
homo erectus and a few species of animals?

It's entirely possible that Sasquatch crossed over for the same reasons the bald guy
with the animal-skin went there, in search of better survival conditions.
It makes sense, sense that any animal wishing to persevere would appreciate, knowingly
or not.

But, the large animal that wanders around Canada and North America cannot exist because
scientists have refused to investigate something that doesn't make sense.
All animals can be trapped because of the need for food. If an animal senses something
is dangerous, they steer clear of the situation, but still  observe from a distance.

Bigfoot doesn't seem to fall for our tricks ... and that takes us towards a perception that
we believe only we have the patent on. Trust.

Excellent reply!  

I've been watching a show on GAIA t.v. titled Missing Links with host Gregg Braden.  He goes into detail and shows proof that we cannot come from monkeys.  It just doesn't fit. 
You all should really subscribe to that channel; you're missing out on all kinds of important things that they don't tell you in school.  Many, many good shows of all different types.

As for the hair problem with Bigfoot.  I think maybe they were brought here from Space Travelers and never came back to pick them up.
The Law of One  speaks about them being from the stars.  Ra says there are three different types/species of "Bigfoot" on this planet now.

So... hmmm...  it would answer the mystery of where they came from, at least.  

This is the best article I can find in support of Bigfoot, with out a body.

Quote:Is Bigfoot Real? Emerging Scientific Evidence

This will be from a 2016 at the Annual Anthropological Research Conference.
Ok, skipping to the actual finding and testing.

Quote:Some of this evidence has emerged from unexpected places.
One of these places is Mount St. Helens in Washington State, U.S.A, where in 2013 and 2014 I along with one of my former college students located three different ungulate rib prey bone assemblages (elk and deer rib bones) that had seemingly inexplicable chewing marks left in them.

We conducted a two year Zooarcheological field research project, which culminated March 26, 2016 at the 69th Annual Anthropological Research Conference, where I presented our conclusions to a room full of respected academic and governmental anthropologists and archeologists.

Tooth and Bite Marks

I presented data in the form of incisor, molar and pre-molar dental signature evidence that we were able to very carefully link with current scientific literature describing historical and contemporary hominin chewing evidence. This published, peer reviewed  literature described a diagnostic framework for accurately separating and identifying hominin mastication evidence recovered from both pre-archaic sites and comparative contemporary chewing studies upon ungulate rib bones.
Furthermore, we proposed the evaluation of a new category of incisal dentition signature termed a Notch, which consolidated the applicable literature and accurately described some of our field research evidence. 

The conference gave us a chance to demonstrate the links between the teeth mark evidence that we recovered in the field with current peer reviewed scientific research covering the same subject.  This current research provided a framework by which we could compare our tooth mark descriptions.  It also helps provide a very effective tool that enables scientists to re-examine other suspected human chewing evidence upon bones.

 A new category of incisal dentition signature termed a Notch.

Quote:All three locations contained the same evidence profiles of ungulate (deer and elk) rib evidence with clear and measurable evidence of hominin mastication activity. The dentition of other known local ecosystem specific predators and scavengers was compared against Homo sapiens dentition.
Of the 25 total hominin incisor measurements taken from all three sites, 92% are outside the average lateral incisors size range for modern Homo sapiens . In this same sample 80% are outside the average measurement for central incisor. From this evidence, Upper Inter-Canine measurements can be accurately estimated.  All of the comparative analysis demonstrated hominin dentition physio-morphology of at least two times the size of modern humans. 

Fossil jaw of Neanderthal. 

Quote:The evidence was clear and consistent across all three locations.  The teeth marks and jaw shapes of bear, cougar, humans, porcupine, and wolverine along with every other potential species that might have been responsible was examined and eliminated or included. After identifying the teeth marks as “Hominin” we measured the geometry of the individual marks and were able to determine that they were primarily outside the upper size range for current humans. From these measurements we were able to estimate mouth size, which again was over double the size of a modern human.

Now for the next bit of evidence.

Quote:Rib Peeling 
The Pre-Molar and Molar dentition signature evidence analysis is perhaps the strongest indication of hominin mastication evidence that emerged from the field research. The current peer reviewed scientific literature describes Rib Peeling as a clear hominin assigned bone surface modification diagnostic characteristic. The physical act of rib peeling entails putting a rib in a hominins mouth and using their hands as levers to move the rib in cooperation with using their pre-molars and molars to masticate the ends. This specific force application procedure has been evaluated over several peer reviewed studies both pre-archaic and contemporary as clearly diagnostic of hominin mastication activity. This process creates specific secondary dentition signatures in consistent hemispherical regions of masticated ungulate rib specimens. The pre-molar impressions were triangular in shape while the molar evidence is characterized by double arch shapes. The evidence recovered from all three sites demonstrated clear and consistent rib peeling evidence. 

 Rib Peeling

Quote:The physical act or process of Rib Peeling is very simple.  It consists of using your hands to put a rib in your mouth and using those same hands to move the end of the rib around as you chew on the opposite end.  This creates very specific damage and tooth marks in predictable locations on a rib.  It also creates secondary tooth marks in expected locations. This predictable combination of damage and individual teeth mark impression evidence is clearly supported in current scientific research and is an accurate tool that enables the separation of hominin verses predator chewing evidence in bones.

OK for the rest of this, you really should visit the: Source  Why you ask, because you'll read about: Bone Stacking and other Hominin Behavior

Great find Ms. G.    

Bigfoot in the vid looks like someone wearing a monkey suit .....  they probably dna tested some drunk college kid thinking it was bigfoot .....

(04-02-2017, 06:21 AM)Daitengu Wrote: [ -> ]Bigfoot in the vid looks like someone wearing a monkey suit .....  they probably dna tested some drunk college kid thinking it was bigfoot .....

Rational assumption would suggest this because like other animals, obvious evidence would have surfaced by now.
It's far-more viable that a group of people -organised or not, were donning a hairy suit and wandering the woods
alongside highways and the edges of rural towns for reasons that are their own.

One of the main problems that Bigfoot 'researchers' tend to fall into is that they are correct and the academic push-back
is perceived as an emotive situation. Science is supposed to be based on non-personal attitude towards available
evidence. Theories are fine and their merits can be discussed as long as they keep close to established truths of what
we know and to explore outside of the excepted boundaries, takes a very slow and long time.

Newton didn't just see an apple fall and just come up with the idea of gravity, the theory took years to be accepted and
in a world far-less liberal than today. Does gravity behave in all the ways we're told...?
Well, there are gravitational anomalies in our universe where some observations that are not adequately accounted for
in our general acceptance and which may point to the need for better theories of gravity or perhaps be explained in other
ways.

Right there, Bigfoot can step onto the stage, but bitemarks on bones are not enough to sweep the belief in large hominids
into the category of 'real' because science demands a body. Mistaken identification, deliberate deceit and large footprints
are commonplace in this subject and until a dead Sasquatch is unloaded from the back of a pick-up truck, the world of
science won't touch it with a barge-pole.

Many Bigfoot researchers believe blurry images of shaded areas in the forests and terrible screams in the middle of
night surely indicates that a hiding creature with thumbs is out there and the resistance from mainstream science tends
to make them offer alternative theories of why scientists won't investigate it.

Science looks on a subject with judicious eyes and 'Squatchers' just take it at face value.

Global religious concerns...? possibly, a connection with extraterrestrials, maybe. But it's indisputable evidence that's
needed to force academia from it's safe area of 'knowing' The DNA proof can only show them what it's not, not what it
is and when laid alongside established theories of homind evolution, a giant biped tramping around the northern areas
of the New World -where primates never existed is just wishful thinking in the eyes of mainstream science.

So Daitengu's statement at this time, stands.
Thousands of people have mistaken bears or the back-end of a Moose for Bigfoot.
Pranksters in a Wookie costume or ghillie suit have jogged across highways at night when the headlights of an oncoming
vehicle come into view and people who enjoy carving large pieces of wood, strap them to their feet and leave enormous
footprints in the damp soil and snow across North America.
Tourism and hits on YouTube bears the above out.

Because what is the alternative and where's the evidence that causes us to leap from dogged, careful investigation of
what this phenomena is about and into the area that Bigfoot is a big humanoid?

(04-02-2017, 06:21 AM)Daitengu Wrote: [ -> ]Bigfoot in the vid looks like someone wearing a monkey suit .....  they probably dna tested some drunk college kid thinking it was bigfoot .....

https://youtu.be/cajZbOOYYMU

More than 10,000 reported sightings in the last 200 years?    And that was back in 2009!

That's a lot of people who need glasses, I suppose.


What we have here is the same thing they did with UFOs and Crop Circles.  There have been intentional smear campaigns to discredit this creature being real. The hoaxes take away any credibility of the real thing when shared with the world... and it was intentional.

When I see people in high-level places working so hard to discredit ANY topic, I ask myself "WHY?"  That tells me there is something there they want to hide from us, and that raises my curiosity levels to the max.

Then, I go off and start digging down the rabbit hole for answers.

I'm satisfied they are real.  

Not a big fan of Mr. Standing and I know his name doesn't fare well
in the Bigfoot community. The Sylvanic footage takes this phenomena
into another realm considering how clean the images are, it's the overall
information that's blurry this time around!

That's down-side of this subject, it's full of people waiting to take money
off a zealous public.

(04-05-2017, 07:22 PM)BIAD Wrote: [ -> ]Not a big fan of Mr. Standing and I know his name doesn't fare well
in the Bigfoot community. The Sylvanic footage takes this phenomena
into another realm considering how clean the images are, it's the overall
information that's blurry this time around!

That's down-side of this subject, it's full of people waiting to take money
off a zealous public.

I admit I don't know much about the Bigfoot people who go looking for them to make YT videos and get rich from views and books. 
My only interest is in wanting people to realize they are real, as many, many witnesses have stated seeing them.

I probably wouldn't be such a believer if my own sister hadn't seen one with her own eyes, and I know she wasn't lying. 
Scared the dumplings out of her... then she scared the dumplings out of us with the scream she let out!  

And, again, I'll mention the see-through figure I saw in the woods that had the outline form of a Bigfoot.  It was huge!  

I know this isn't directly connected with what's being discussed here, but it shows the relationship
through our similar ancestory of how once you're part of a group, members of that group see you
as one of theirs.

'Mowgli girl' found living with monkeys in Indian jungle.

The youngster could not speak, behaved like an animal and ran on all fours when a
policeman rescued her from the monkeys.

'A child found living with monkeys in a forest in India has been dubbed "Mowgli girl"
after the character in the Jungle Book.

The youngster could not speak, behaved like an animal and ran on all fours.
She ate food from the floor without using her hands, said doctors treating her.

The girl, believed to be aged between 10 and 12, was naked and looked very
comfortable roaming with the primates when she was discovered by tree surgeons
in the Katarniya Ghat forest range.



When they tried to rescue her, they were chased away by the monkeys before a
policeman was later able to take her away despite being attacked himself by
the animals.
He drove his patrol car at speed while the monkeys ran after the vehicle.

Police officer Dinesh Tripathi said: "When he called the girl, the monkeys attacked him
but he was able to rescue the girl. He sped away with her in his police car while the
monkeys gave chase."

Dr D K Singh from Bahraich district hospital, said: "She was rescued and brought here.
When she arrived here, her hair was dishevelled and she was not wearing any clothes.
"She was very thin and weak, and it seemed like she had not eaten for many days.
"Her behaviour was totally like an animal.

The way she moved, even her eating habits were like that of an animal.
"She would throw food on the ground and eat it directly with her mouth, without lifting it
with her hands. She used to move around using only her elbows and her knees."..'
SOURCE:

Quote:I know this isn't directly connected with what's being discussed here, but it shows the relationship
through our similar ancestory of how once you're part of a group, members of that group see you
as one of theirs.

Good story @"BIAD".

Do you remember that one about a man who used to go camp out in the woods and he had a family that got used to him?  He shared his food with them and they treated him like one of theirs too. 

I think that was in a thread of days gone by on one of our other boards; sadly, it didn't make it over to this one.

Anyway, I found that a very interesting story.  It would take a lot of guts to not run away from one of those critters when it starts stepping into your space.  

I want to add this link to this thread.  People can go to the main page from here to report Bigfoot sightings, or do research, if they wish.

This link has many, many fascinating stories of people who have encountered Bigfoot.   Bigfoot Encounters

ENJOY!

Have you read the story of The Braxton County Monster?  This is only one of the many frightening stories on this site.


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